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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/22/2008 5:30:15 PM

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The problem is one of point of view. The author is, amongst other mistakes, saying effectively 'look at the order of cards in this shuffled deck, the odds against it being in this precise order are so staggering that some outside agency must have placed them in that order.' But every other possible outcome is just as improbable but one must occur. A basic misuse of odds calculations and one that is fairly obvious to anyone who actually thinks about it.

No sir not at all. In the case of Evolution of Complexity like vision or hearing many thousands, literally, of card "hands" have to appear in exactly the right sequence.
Ten "hands" appearing in the right sequence might happen every few hundred years I suppose if a dealing machine could say produce "hands" every 10 secs. from a randomly shuffled deck.
If the same machine could be programmed to have all the ingredients of DNA it would take literally longer than the Universe has been in existance for DNA to appear.
Even then the DNA would lay around doing nothing much, just like infertile Frog Spawn on a wet Monday afternoon.

You're wrong.

First the 'right' sequence may not be the only right sequence. In the case of the eye, for instance, the vertabrate eye is known not to be the best eye that can evolve. A serious flaw in vertabrate eyesight is the blind spot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_spot_%28vision%29
However cephalapods, squids octopi, have a functional eye without such a blind spot.

Second the process isn't a one shot random shuffle. It is a iterative filtered process. IOW each population is shaped by selection filtering the characters of the population in an ongoing cycle.

And finally you're still looking at the it from the wrong end..No matter how low the odds are of any single outcome, some outcome must occur so arguing that an outcome has appeared therefore some one fixed the game is fallacious.

Should I take it that all the other subjects you've brought up that I've dealt with are now done? This whole you post some standard creationst canard, I respond once and you drop it like a hot rock stuff is getting pretty boring.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/22/2008 5:46:06 PM

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I agree . You always miss the point.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/22/2008 11:11:16 PM

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I agree . You always miss the point.

So what was the point?

Some possibilities:
1) You like to post vague whinges against modern biology but when called on it you've got nothing but standard creationist fare?
2) You really think you're smarter than every working biologist but once again when called on the claim you've got nothing?
3) You're a close minded person unable to adapt to a world that doesn't meet your preconceptions?
4) You're practicing your logical fallacies but forgot to tell me that was the plan?
5) You're a christian who has let their faith get tied into believing every word in the bible is literally true for some reason?
6) You've got some pet theory of what really happened and if only the 'establishment' would only stop supressing your amazing ideas they would be universally accepted?
7) You're a self styled skeptic who is really so gullible as to believe anybody who puts up a website with claims of the truth and a good story of being excluded/ignored by mainstream whoever?
8) You're a sub/switch who has an online humiliation fetish and this was just your way of getting your jollies this week?

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/22/2008 11:23:10 PM

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seeks: http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/evol/ev-ibeld.htm

Well, that is a very nice book review. Doesn't make me want to run out and buy a copy of Hidden History, but it's not a bad effort. Way too much editorializing, though.

A perfect example of pseudo-science. Well, not even that. As I said, a book review.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/22/2008 11:35:07 PM

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Funny, those who claim that the statistical math doesn't support evolution always seem to miss the fact that huge numbers of events are taking place simultaneously.

Why Creationism is bullshit deserves its own thread, but I'll post this link to an article in that well-known liberal commie hippie rag "Scientific American":
http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpurrin1/textbookdisclaimers/wackononsense.pdf

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 4:37:29 AM

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DomKen asks me what is the point I was trying to make
I look at the world I see around me, I observe that it is both beautiful and ugly and in our local area is teeming with life forms varying in structure from the miniscule to the quite large. Supporting those life forms, however simple they may appear to be, is a chemical structure of almost unimaginable intricacy and balance.

I experience intellect, consciousness, memory, creativity, cruelty ,stupidity all of the many traits that go towards making human beings.
I note inexplicable mysteries like the first cause of things, energy allegedly being released from nothing, the apparent infinitude of space, why are we here, mysteries that have teased the greatest intellects over untold years and IMO are never likely to be solved because they transcend even the marvellous reasoning capacity possessed by a minority of humans.ie these mysteries transcend reason itself.
The questions can be posed but those of a modest disposition come to realise that the answers are not available. That is the basis of faith, which I by the way do not possess.

In the face of all that I find it impossible to believe that a self preserving untestable hypothesis resting on the vagaries of blind chance, which was conceived at a time when the wondrous bio chemical complexity supporting life processes was not known and when those complexities could scarcely be imagined , I simply cannot accept such simplistic reductionism can possibly be true..

This theory was created shortly before scientists were coming to believe that virtually everything was understood and it would only be a matter of tying up a few loose ends and then everything would be understood.
Well they were wrong just as is the theory of Origin of Species by Natural Selection.
That is my point.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 6:03:20 AM

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That is a very good post, seeks, in that you clearly express what is bothering you.

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DomKen asks me what is the point I was trying to make
I look at the world I see around me, I observe that it is both beautiful and ugly and in our local area is teeming with life forms varying in structure from the miniscule to the quite large.

It is marvelous, wondrous.

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Supporting those life forms, however simple they may appear to be, is a chemical structure of almost unimaginable intricacy and balance.

Quite, but it is comprehended ever more and ever better.

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I experience intellect, consciousness, memory, creativity, cruelty, stupidity all of the many traits that go towards making human beings.

A lot of that is not comprehended, and if so only a little bit.

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I note inexplicable mysteries like the first cause of things,

There are two first causes.
1. The Divine constructed the two universes and let them run themselves, interacting with them by chance processes upon spiritual request from within at least our universe; this is the result of my cosmological analysis.
2. The Creator, as an incarnation of an aspect of the Divine, created the gods and men, and perchance everything else as well. This answer is provided by Egyptian mythology and supported by various other mythologies. This first cause may be extrapolated to the Divine in the previous paragraph.

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energy allegedly being released from nothing,

My hypothesis is that part of it may be coming from the other universe, and vice versa.

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the apparent infinitude of space,

It is not; it is merely very large. The second universe is equally large. Both are a small part of the Divine, about the maginitude of which nothing at the moment may be concluded, except that the number of particles in the Divine is much larger than the number of particles shared by the two universes.

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why are we here,

Egyptian mythology is quite clear about that: The Creator created the gods and men in order to no longer be alone. Again this motive may be extrapolated from him to the Divine.
As for what we are to do here in our life: learn, grow, evolve. Humanity is not a finished product. A finished creation is boring - and may be imperfect without the possibility of being improved. The Creator almost never finishes anything, but sets it to run and to self-improve. Consequently the creation of humanity is an ongoing process, directed by every single individual in humanity itself - and perchance in lesser ways by all other organisms.

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mysteries that have teased the greatest intellects over untold years and IMO are never likely to be solved because they transcend even the marvellous reasoning capacity possessed by a minority of humans.ie these mysteries transcend reason itself.

I doubt that, as I have provided some answers.

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The questions can be posed but those of a modest disposition come to realise that the answers are not available. That is the basis of faith, which I by the way do not possess.

You seem disgruntled, both with science and with the Divine or the incarnate gods. Why? For lack of answers? I provided you with some. Your existence is necessary and is appreciated. The God of the Dead will reward you according to your merits.

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In the face of all that I find it impossible to believe that a self preserving untestable hypothesis resting on the vagaries of blind chance,

It is merely an assumption that it is true, as it works for people trying to make sense of both biology and other disciplines. Why do you want it proven? To quieten your insecurity?
Blind chance is but one aspect of the theory of evolution. Natural selection is not blind, but instead inexorably purposeful.
Then there is the Divine that interacts with our universe by chance processes - which therefore are not necessarily blind chance processes.
And there is creation, which is retroactive. According to mythology the first Creation ritual was performed approximately five thousand years ago. All previous history was then created retroactively, including the evolution and speciation of all species.

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which was conceived at a time when the wondrous bio chemical complexity supporting life processes was not known and when those complexities could scarcely be imagined, I simply cannot accept such simplistic reductionism can possibly be true.

Seems quite an achievement for a hypothesis not to conflict with and in fact be supported by all new knowledge and facts discovered subsequently.

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This theory was created shortly before scientists were coming to believe that virtually everything was understood and it would only be a matter of tying up a few loose ends and then everything would be understood.

Well they were wrong just as is the theory of Origin of Species by Natural Selection.

Yes, they were wrong. The theory of origin of species by natural selection may be wrong, but as long as there is nothing better most biologists and scientists from other affected disciplines will assume that it is correct.

It is here that I perceive your strong disgruntlement: you are indignant that many things are not understood, that there are no clearcut answers. You feel betrayed, unsatisfied, frustrated and hence disgruntled.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 6:29:02 AM

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Well they were wrong just as is the theory of Origin of Species by Natural Selection.
That is my point.

Youre right in that we cannot be sure that what is thought to have occurred to produce the Universe, the solar system, the Earth, the life upon it and us, is correct.

But what we have is a Universe, solar system, Earth, life in general and us as they are now, and an enormous insight into the past through looking into space, looking at the rocks on Earth compared to the rocks on other planets and moons, and looking at fossil remains. Through mathematics, physics, chemistry and biology we can investigate the past and the present and even theorise about the future.

Whilst it may be true that perhaps other accounts for various phenomena might be derived from all these observations, and indeed in the past we may have believed a variety of explanations for individual instances, it would seem that through the scientific method, applied over the past few centuries, we have been able to show that there is an internally consistent and pretty much universally applicable set of explanations for all of it - not yet complete, but sufficiently compelling for it to have been able to dismiss competing explanations and sufficiently complete for it to be possible to identify what we are still missing. It would be bizarre indeed, if these as yet unidentified elements were to prove sufficiently compelling in themselves for them to totally overturn all that we are sure of to date.

Without advancing alternative explanations for discussion however, your position that its all incorrect because we are still missing parts of the whole is most unsatisfactory. We may not, for instance have a full understanding of quantum physics as yet, but this does not mean that all physics of which we are sure is some incorrect imagining; it may need to be amended if and when we gain such full understanding, but it would be strange indeed if everything we believe to be true was thereby completely undone.

Please state your alternative interpretation for life, the universe and everything - which must be at least as internally coherent and universally applicable as the current scientific understanding, and demonstrable by repeat testing to be accurate? Simple contradiction, without an alternative point and evidence does not an argument make.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 7:35:03 AM

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DomKen asks me what is the point I was trying to make
I look at the world I see around me, I observe that it is both beautiful and ugly and in our local area is teeming with life forms varying in structure from the miniscule to the quite large. Supporting those life forms, however simple they may appear to be, is a chemical structure of almost unimaginable intricacy and balance.

I experience intellect, consciousness, memory, creativity, cruelty ,stupidity all of the many traits that go towards making human beings.
I note inexplicable mysteries like the first cause of things, energy allegedly being released from nothing, the apparent infinitude of space, why are we here, mysteries that have teased the greatest intellects over untold years and IMO are never likely to be solved because they transcend even the marvellous reasoning capacity possessed by a minority of humans.ie these mysteries transcend reason itself.
The questions can be posed but those of a modest disposition come to realise that the answers are not available. That is the basis of faith, which I by the way do not possess.

In the face of all that I find it impossible to believe that a self preserving untestable hypothesis resting on the vagaries of blind chance, which was conceived at a time when the wondrous bio chemical complexity supporting life processes was not known and when those complexities could scarcely be imagined , I simply cannot accept such simplistic reductionism can possibly be true..

This theory was created shortly before scientists were coming to believe that virtually everything was understood and it would only be a matter of tying up a few loose ends and then everything would be understood.
Well they were wrong just as is the theory of Origin of Species by Natural Selection.
That is my point.

I too am amazed and humbled by the vast complexities and interconnectivity of it all. It's why I study the world and why I'm an environmentalist.

It is in that study that I came to see quite clearly the inescapable truth, all life on earth is descended from a a common ancestor and evolution is the source of all that diversity and interconnection. All that complexity boils down to a stunning simplicity when you finally grasp the subtleties of the ToE.

The theory of evolution is testable and has been tested many many times. I could easily show you any number of things initially only predicted by the ToE that later were discovered. The claim it cannot be tested is a common canard of the creationist movement as is much of what you've argued. I suggest you study mainstream biology with as an open a mind as you have studied the creationist sources.

I might also recommend that a little less ridiculing and hostility on your part might go a long way towards less acrimonius discussions. However as long as I'm around this board I'll continue to rebut your slams against any part of modern science.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 8:45:51 AM

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LadyE asks me to provide an alternative solution to a problem that I have already characterised as transcending reason. Silly girl.
DomKen tells me to be less hostile.
Virtually every point of his post 163 is dripping with hostility.Silly hypocritical boy.

DomKen you should confine your hostility to my correct views on race, which are what you really dont like, rather than indulge your aggression because of my views on the Delusion.
DomKen you think like this but simply carnt see it.
You Seeks, make me, DomKen, mad, you, Seeks, stop being so hostile.

In fact I believe that my racial views are what has led me to censure by the mods even tho' it, the censure, was ostensibly blamed on some quite trifling inconsequential jokes.

In todays PC world it is becoming quite difficult to speak about certain matters.
With regard to racial problems this is not going to help anyone.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 9:05:34 AM

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But Seeks, silly boy, you havent actually said anything! All you have done is contradict others, without stating your views on any of the matters raised here. Please state for debate, your "correct views on race"? For what its worth, any "problem" is one related to the clash of human cultures, and nothing to do with the genetic inheritance of various populations in my opinion. Traits associated more with one population than another by virtue of historical or current environment are not problems.

And clearly, the problem doesnt transcend reason, since reason can provide an internally coherent and universally applicable explanation which is supported by observation and repeatable experimental results across a range of disciplines. An explanation which has also enabled us to apply what we have learned to develop the wonders of modern medicine, communications, genetic engineering and more or less everything else which makes up our world.

I can accept as I stated that we do not yet have a full understanding but to hold that from the absence of every last detail the explanation we have is totally wrong and therefore the problem is insoluble is ridiculous, and invites what are actually totally unreasonable explanations which help us not one jot to understand anything and cannot be applied to anything since they have no basis in actuality. Such as for instance that the Earth is the centre of the universe and man was conjured by God from it.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 9:06:53 AM

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Virtually every point of his post 163 is dripping with hostility.

He was asking eight questions. Simply answer them as they are without adding the perchance erroneously perceived emotional content to them. Emotions have no place in a rational discourse.

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In fact I believe that my racial views are what has led me to censure by the mods even tho' it, the censure, was ostensibly blamed on some quite trifling inconsequential jokes.

I suspect that you are mistaken and that indeed they perceived the jokes as infringing on the TOS. The moral of this is: one should not post on CM when one has enjoyed the beer. I praise myself lucky that the mod did not come down on me like a truckload of bricks for me in my state of innocence quoting your transgression. Nor did I think that yoke appropriate, though it made me laugh.

Anyhow, you having more posts than I, I suspect that my mod-index may very well be higher than yours - not that I agree with the height of my mod-index. Anyway, the mod did cut me some slack, giving me the benefit of the doubt, I suspect, and I do appreciate that.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 9:41:34 AM

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Missed this until now.

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Thank you for the consice answer Dom ken.

In your moth example, are they different species, that look very similar? Or one population of interbreeding moths with a variety of colors?

Did the descendants of the White moths turn Black, then back to white, or did the numbers of white moths shrink while the numbers of Black moths grew, then the opposite happened?

It's one species with two color morphs. The populations predominant color morph changed over time as the black and then light moths became the one best suited to matching their resting sites.

You can wiki Peppered Moths for the details.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 11:10:01 AM

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I only condescended to respond to these points 'cos the Great God of Rule so ordered. I wouldn't bother reading it if I were you but at least I've done my duty

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1) You like to post vague whinges against modern biology but when called on it you've got nothing but standard creationist fare?

My criticisms of the Delusion are not vague and satisfy...well me anyway.

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2) You really think you're smarter than every working biologist but once again when called on the claim you've got nothing?
3) You're a close minded person unable to adapt to a world that doesn't meet your preconceptions?

ad hominum hostility.

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4) You're practicing your logical fallacies but forgot to tell me that was the plan?

meaningless, to me anyway.

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5) You're a christian who has let their faith get tied into believing every word in the bible is literally true for some reason?

False.

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6) You've got some pet theory of what really happened and if only the 'establishment' would only stop supressing your amazing ideas they would be universally accepted?

presumptive nonsense

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7) You're a self styled skeptic who is really so gullible as to believe anybody who puts up a website with claims of the truth and a good story of being excluded/ignored by mainstream whoever?[

There exists plenty of scientifically based opposition to the Delusion.
The statistical, ie mathematical opposition is either ignored or a split is made between abiogenesis, naturalistic origin of Life and the Delusion, Origin of the Species. the first is statistically as near impossible as makes no difference, the second unsupported by evidence. Evidence is not one kind of fish turning into a variant that remains a ........fish.
or
noticing anatomical similarities between what are sensibly different species. then saying ooh look "the the one must have evolved into the other."
By that reasoning all aeroplanes must have been made in the same factory 'cos they are anatomically similar.

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8) You're a sub/switch who has an online humiliation fetish and this was just your way of getting your jollies this week?

Now we're getting somewhere lol

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 1:36:13 PM

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There exists plenty of scientifically based opposition to the Delusion.
The statistical, ie mathematical opposition is either ignored or a split is made between abiogenesis, naturalistic origin of Life and the Delusion, Origin of the Species. the first is statistically as near impossible as makes no difference, the second unsupported by evidence. Evidence is not one kind of fish turning into a variant that remains a ........fish.
or
noticing anatomical similarities between what are sensibly different species. then saying ooh look "the the one must have evolved into the other."
By that reasoning all aeroplanes must have been made in the same factory 'cos they are anatomically similar.

A conflation of abiogenesis and evolution, right out of the creationist playbook. If you're not a creationist why are you cribbing material from them?

Abiogenesis is something there is virtually no evidence for, it having happened better than 1 billion years ago after all. There are some hypothesi on the matter but to the best of my knowledge nothing really telling has yet been found either in the field or in the lab.

However the theory of evolution is unconcerned with that. Once some kind of primitive life exists evolution takes over and we have lots of evidence of that. If it makes you feel better to think your favorite sky guy plunked the first cyanobacteria down on the earth a couple of billion years ago that's fine, I think you're likely wrong and am willing to bet science will eventually arive at a different conclusion but until there is some good reason to believe otherwise go for it.

The whole or big changes to a population that you can see, fish becoming not a fish, has been shown to you in this very thread. A series of fossils that start with a classic reptile and ends with a primitive mammal. You reject it for some reason, who knows why, you didn't respond usefully. The funny thing is this is yet another standard creationist gambit, when I showed you, as I have, speciation in fruit flies in the lab you responded 'it's still a fruit fly!' which is right out of:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB901.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB910_1.html

Now it seems you're denying that morphological similarity can be useful evidence of relation. So I want to discuss a very useful concept in biology, the multiple nested hierarchies. It is possible, even if you deny it, to examine a collection of living organisms bodies, in detail, and identify which share which characters and build a tree of relationship based on these observations. Now we'll take those same oragnism's DNA sequences and compare each. We'll pay specific attention to genes for basic proteins all organisms share versions of. We'll now build another tree of relationship based on how similiar those genes are to each other. Funny thing is these two trees will match up almost exactly and in every case I'm aware when this work has been done the discepancies have been shown to be data errors or too few characters or genes sampled. Finally we'll examine the fossil record for fossils that exhibit morphological characters with some of our sample organisms. We'll find fossils that correspond to what, our previous hierarchies predict, should be the ancestral forms of various combinations of organisms from our sample. Building yet another tree based on the fossil data will reveal yet another tree that matches the others. Once again that much smoke says fire to me.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 2:44:34 PM

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Quite. Making independent hierarchies of different phenomena, they all nevertheless yield the same result: the evolutionary tree.

As for the abiotic orgin of life: I conceived of a mechanism for that, way back in the mid-eighties. Inherent in this mechanism was that even before organisms existed, there was biochemical evolution.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 4:28:06 PM

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Irritated response to DomKen.
Stop berating me because you have a problem with organised religion.
The fact that you do that proves that you do not listen or do not understand what I am saying.OK?

Not once have I mentioned religion. You have incorporated this response several times. Knock it off.
Respond to what I say not what your conditioned reflex believes I am saying

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 4:45:37 PM

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Once some kind of primitive life exists evolution takes over and we have lots of evidence of that.

Lets not worry about the difficult bits , lets just plough on regardless. After all I studied the Delusion ,surely I deserve a decent well payed career as a consequence even tho' I know in my heart of hearts that what I am peddling is snake oil.

If the Delusion is true than ALL of the underlying genetic tendencies occured at a time about which there is absolutely no knowledge. I have mentioned this before but I expect you didnt get it.
Of course that doesn't worry the Delusioners 'cos they know they are right.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 6:23:49 PM

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Delusioners can readily show for example fish changing into fish but what they carnt demonstrate is species A changing to species B
An example to the contrary: Archaeopteryx: Dinosaur to Bird.

Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth-bound, feathered dinosaur. But it’s not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of ‘paleobabble’ is going to change that

Bird like specimens at least as convincing as dear old Archie have been found contemporaneous with early Dinosaurs thus indicating that Archie could not be a transitional specimen

For some time the fossils were considered to be Dinosaurs.

There are those who believe that at least one of the fossils is in fact a fraud. Specimens exist in the British Museum and modern scientific techniques could no doubt be used to decide the issue. Naturally the Museum will not allow this. It might upset the applecart.

With regard to flight it appears to have evolved at least three times , in insects, birds and mammals . Delusioners are not shy in believing in miracles. So long of course that they are the right miracles.

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RE: The Human Race 2 - 3/23/2008 6:32:34 PM

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Yep 3 different ways of flying evolved in different orders of creatures, and that disproves evolution how? Some Fish can fly also, you forgot that.

Do you have a theory to put forward seeks? Or are you just trying to use the incomplete parts of the current (admittedly incomplete) evolutionary theory to debunk the rest of it, that does fit together rather nicely.

Or are you just an online sadist--- non consensually mind fucking Domken, for shits and giggles?

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