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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 5:47:07 AM   
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Yeah like that...only it's not his Magic 8-ball he claims to be taking out..apparently they all have huge cocks too...methinks not


TV cameras add ten pounds, and evidently the pc adds several inches

yep, inches, width, six-pack abs...i think pc's are magical...
 
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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 4:23:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think in praticality no limits means that the slave's limits are those of her Master.  At least that is what is means to me.  Some people will take it to the extreme and say that the Dom could do anything, even kill her, and that would be ok.  But we have presume that most people are not pathological killers or sociopaths and that they have some commone sense limitations.  (No children, no mutilations, no permament harm, etc.).  I also believe that a slave should have full knowledge of what her Master enjoys and what he might do to her.  As some have posted I think most no limit relationships are eased into as the slave's trust in her Master grows.

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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 6:39:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think anyone who plays with no limits must have self-esteem issues.  When I first offered myself to my Mistress I intentionally told her I wished to play without using a safeword because part of what turns me on about play (especially the way She plays) is the surprises, and since She agreed to honor my limits when we discussed them prior to our session (YES limits, NO safeword), I trusted Her enough to forgo a safeword.  And have not regretted it.


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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 6:48:13 PM   
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I think anyone who plays with no limits must have self-esteem issues.  When I first offered myself to my Mistress I intentionally told her I wished to play without using a safeword because part of what turns me on about play (especially the way She plays) is the surprises, and since She agreed to honor my limits when we discussed them prior to our session (YES limits, NO safeword), I trusted Her enough to forgo a safeword.  And have not regretted it.



You know I am one of those practical guys who sort of...listens. If a girl tells me she has things she can't do-or that would upset her horribly...I just avoid doing them.

I'm funny that way-maybe I have a conscience?

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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 6:53:25 PM   
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I think anyone who plays with no limits must have self-esteem issues.  When I first offered myself to my Mistress I intentionally told her I wished to play without using a safeword because part of what turns me on about play (especially the way She plays) is the surprises, and since She agreed to honor my limits when we discussed them prior to our session (YES limits, NO safeword), I trusted Her enough to forgo a safeword.  And have not regretted it.



You know I am one of those practical guys who sort of...listens. If a girl tells me she has things she can't do-or that would upset her horribly...I just avoid doing them.

I'm funny that way-maybe I have a conscience?

i think i love you.....will you marry me??

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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 6:56:41 PM   
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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 7:33:30 PM   
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.....please?

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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 7:45:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		As there are currently 68 replies to this thread, I would like to right away say I HAVE NOT read them all. And I assume quite a few others who have replied have not either.

I read the first couple posts and I want to throw at there, that YES this may have been posted in another thread. However, this drives me crazy when people get all butt hurt about someone starting a thread thats already been discussed. New people join this forum every day. Don't thier opinions count too? Anyway...thats another rant.

On topic: I believe no limits is mostly a fantasy. If you truly have "no limits" there very well might be something psychologically wrong with you. However, I also agree with others that if you trust the person and they are sane then they are not going to do anythign that would make you think "why am I doing this?". I personally would never have "no limits" as there are quite a few things that disturb me greatly and I fear *needle play, masks, etc*.



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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 8:39:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone can say no at any time, Its weather it is heard....  No limits ??????? LOL  I want you to cut your finger off, that would be a limit.
Which one of you no limit subs really have no limits????

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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 9:02:47 PM   
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Anyone can say no at any time, Its weather it is heard....  No limits ??????? LOL  I want you to cut your finger off, that would be a limit.
Which one of you no limit subs really have no limits????



Why do you want to cut someone's finger off?

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RE: No Limits - 3/23/2008 9:32:40 PM   
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Why do you want to cut someone's finger off?


maybe he has an amputation fetish, and if it was just a finger amputated then it would not impair the submissive/slave from doing their daily duties...


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RE: No Limits - 3/24/2008 5:53:38 AM   
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Anyone can say no at any time, Its weather it is heard....  No limits ??????? LOL  I want you to cut your finger off, that would be a limit.
Which one of you no limit subs really have no limits????

Yep, i would say that cutting off one (or more) of my fingers would be a hard limit....as is death...

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RE: No Limits - 3/24/2008 8:05:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		My point was everyone has limits and the idea of no limits is bullshit. And would anyone really want someone that really has none? The person that does want one is in need of some serious help, and I think if you find a D/M that is ......... RUN...RUN VERY FAST

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RE: No Limits - 3/25/2008 5:19:22 PM   
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Does no limits mean that even if a scene is obviously doing me psychologically that the dom would not stop?

Since i have never 'done a scene' with anyone, i can only answer from the perspective of someone who is in a committed, live-in, 24/7, TPE relationship.  Before i agreed to enter into a relationship with Him or, even to meet with Him, He told me what to expect and what He would and would not do to and with me. 
 
It was my choice to accept to live by His rules and requirements or not.  Once i accepted, there was no hemming and hawing or trying to wiggle out of things or pouting or dragging my feet or 'being difficult' or trying to renegotiate and, there was no saying "no" to Him.  Thus, i place 'no limits' on Him, simply because there is no need to.  Everything was clearly defined by Him upfront and understood and agreed to by me. 
 
If He had a personality or character that was not what i consider to be honorable and reasonable and trustworthy, i never would have agreed to meet with Him, in the first place, much less enter into a relationship with Him. 
 
Through conversation and getting to know Him, i learned that He was not a pedophile, He was not a necrophiliac, He was not a lunatic, He values the sanctity of life and the property rights of others and He has no interest in maiming or dismembering or disemboweling me or anyone else.  He has no interest in turning me into something or someone that i am not or making me do things, simply to prove that He can.  He wanted someone who would meet His needs and enhance His life in the manner that He likes and He found me.
 
Why would anyone enter into a relationship with someone or even agree to spend time with someone who had very different interests or values from their own?  But, if they did, then, i would have to say that they will get what they get and they shouldn't really expect anything else but what they get.
 
After all, we are talking about relationships of choice, not relationships that are forced on us.  So, you get the relationship that you get, based on the choices that you make.
 
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Does it mean that there would be no conversation beforehand so that i would at least be forewarned as to the sort of thing the dom enjoys - or no conversation altogether?

Again, i have to ask, "why would anyone do such a thing?"  What's the point?  What's your objective in putting yourself, your body, your life, in the hands of another, who you have not gotten to know first, through conversation, at least, and learning about their character and their interests and values, etc.? 

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Far be it for me to tell the man who would be my dom what to do, but i WOULD like to know that i would be cared for, at least on some level


Would be your Dom.  Would be.  Or, should be.  Or, could be.  That's a choice that you make for yourself.  If you aren't already in a relationship then who is it you are submissive to?  Who is it you need to answer to?  It's yourself and no one else.  If there is no relationship, then there is no obligation on your part to do anything with another person. 
 
You are your own person.  You decide what you will and will not do with your life, including whether or not to be in a relationship at all, and what sort of relationship you want to be in and what sort of person you want to be in a relationship with. 
 
Don't you feel that you are the one who should decide what sort of life you want to live, whether it involves D/s or not?
 
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Being able to trust the man who would be my dom is paramount to me and knowing that he would do me no psychological harm is important

Then, you need to make that a priority in you list of needs and you need to keep that in mind when considering whether to get involved with someone or not, whether it's for a cup of coffee in a cafe or for a 'scene' or for a long term relationship.
 
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Physically speaking, i'm not bothered and i'm really open to trying new things, but the psychological damage issue is where i get stuck.

Ditto my above remarks.

Hoping that your journey takes you to where you want to go......
 
joy
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RE: No Limits - 3/25/2008 5:39:42 PM   
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we have discussed this many many times on here (hopefully the lovely LA will slap down some old threads). anyone who is truly no limits is so mentally ill, he/she should not be in general society.


This is just insulting. Why do so many BDSMers feel that it is okay to insult the dynamics of others, when their own dynamics happen to be different?
On another board I sometimes visit, some vanilla has come along and registered just so he could flame, and told everyone, repeatedly:
Slavery is illegal. We fought a war to make slavery illegal.
Slavery is immoral. Human Bondage and Chattel is wrong.
There is no such thing as a slave in Todays free part of the world, (The U.S., U.K, ect.)

Words have meanings. No, I don't mean, words can mean anything you want them to, although I usually do not go around defining what words other people should use for their dynamic. But I do mean that arguments like 'slavery means no limits' are meaningless attempts to force your meanings into other peoples dynamics, and so is 'there is no such thing as no limits'.
No limits slaves have been browbeaten into being afraid to use the language that resonates most with them, because someone will come along and tell them that they should have their arms chopped off without anaesthesia, with a dull Swiss army knife, and that they (the no limits slave, not the person who suggested the Swiss army knife, don'tcha know?) are crazy. This is very much like telling slaves that they are doormats.
And we are not supposed to answer by saying that it is okay with us if Master decides to chop off our arms with a dull Swiss army knife, because that will only prove we are, indeed, crazy. Nor can we say, 'Master would never do that', because that just proves we must have talked it out, and therefore, we have limits, after all, and best be good little subbies and admit it.
All of us use symbolic language in this lifestyle. The word slave has been given new meaning by us, as lifestyles, because it is a symbolic word that resonates with us. The word Master has the same qualities.
I am a no limits slave. Master is not going to kill me or chop off my arms, but my contract says He CAN. And I am okay with that. And I am okay with you not being okay with that. No, it is not SSC. Call the SSC police if you want. Tell them to bring handcuffs, I have a bit of a steel fetish. (that was an understatement. Yet another form of symbolic language.)
It is RACK. I am aware of the risks I take, and they are consensual.
Here's another thing that some people don't like - consensual nonconsensuality. You don't need my consent today, you already have my enduring consent.
Not everyone has the same dynamic. I do not tell other people that their dynamic is wrong, or not real, or anything else. I do not try to talk people into my dynamic. If anything, I try to talk people out of it from time to time, as in, don't let anyone push you into this dynamic because it is what they want, make sure it is what you want.
And, btw, I am crazy as a bedbug, but Master knows that and agrees to deal with it. My therapist, my Master, and others who know me seem to think it is safe for me to be out in society at large, regardless of you, in your great, all seeing wisdom, thinking otherwise.
/end tirade

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RE: No Limits - 3/25/2008 6:40:52 PM   
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No limits slaves have been browbeaten into being afraid to use the language that resonates most with them, because someone will come along and tell them that they should have their arms chopped off without anaesthesia, with a dull Swiss army knife, and that they (the no limits slave, not the person who suggested the Swiss army knife, don'tcha know?) are crazy. This is very much like telling slaves that they are doormats.
And we are not supposed to answer by saying that it is okay with us if Master decides to chop off our arms with a dull Swiss army knife, because that will only prove we are, indeed, crazy. Nor can we say, 'Master would never do that', because that just proves we must have talked it out, and therefore, we have limits, after all, and best be good little subbies and admit it.
All of us use symbolic language in this lifestyle. The word slave has been given new meaning by us, as lifestyles, because it is a symbolic word that resonates with us. The word Master has the same qualities.
I am a no limits slave. Master is not going to kill me or chop off my arms, but my contract says He CAN. And I am okay with that. And I am okay with you not being okay with that. No, it is not SSC. Call the SSC police if you want. Tell them to bring handcuffs, I have a bit of a steel fetish. (that was an understatement. Yet another form of symbolic language.)


 Thank you!!!!!   I am sick and tired of the way people judge each other on this topic.  You have hit the nail on the head. 

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RE: No Limits - 3/26/2008 12:34:31 AM   
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No limits slaves have been browbeaten into being afraid to use the language that resonates most with them, because someone will come along and tell them that they should have their arms chopped off without anaesthesia, with a dull Swiss army knife, and that they (the no limits slave, not the person who suggested the Swiss army knife, don'tcha know?) are crazy.


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RE: No Limits - 3/26/2008 2:43:18 PM   
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we have discussed this many many times on here (hopefully the lovely LA will slap down some old threads). anyone who is truly no limits is so mentally ill, he/she should not be in general society.


This is just insulting. Why do so many BDSMers feel that it is okay to insult the dynamics of others, when their own dynamics happen to be different?
On another board I sometimes visit, some vanilla has come along and registered just so he could flame, and told everyone, repeatedly:
Slavery is illegal. We fought a war to make slavery illegal.
Slavery is immoral. Human Bondage and Chattel is wrong.
There is no such thing as a slave in Todays free part of the world, (The U.S., U.K, ect.)

Words have meanings. No, I don't mean, words can mean anything you want them to, although I usually do not go around defining what words other people should use for their dynamic. But I do mean that arguments like 'slavery means no limits' are meaningless attempts to force your meanings into other peoples dynamics, and so is 'there is no such thing as no limits'.
No limits slaves have been browbeaten into being afraid to use the language that resonates most with them, because someone will come along and tell them that they should have their arms chopped off without anaesthesia, with a dull Swiss army knife, and that they (the no limits slave, not the person who suggested the Swiss army knife, don'tcha know?) are crazy. This is very much like telling slaves that they are doormats.
And we are not supposed to answer by saying that it is okay with us if Master decides to chop off our arms with a dull Swiss army knife, because that will only prove we are, indeed, crazy. Nor can we say, 'Master would never do that', because that just proves we must have talked it out, and therefore, we have limits, after all, and best be good little subbies and admit it.
All of us use symbolic language in this lifestyle. The word slave has been given new meaning by us, as lifestyles, because it is a symbolic word that resonates with us. The word Master has the same qualities.
I am a no limits slave. Master is not going to kill me or chop off my arms, but my contract says He CAN. And I am okay with that. And I am okay with you not being okay with that. No, it is not SSC. Call the SSC police if you want. Tell them to bring handcuffs, I have a bit of a steel fetish. (that was an understatement. Yet another form of symbolic language.)
It is RACK. I am aware of the risks I take, and they are consensual.
Here's another thing that some people don't like - consensual nonconsensuality. You don't need my consent today, you already have my enduring consent.
Not everyone has the same dynamic. I do not tell other people that their dynamic is wrong, or not real, or anything else. I do not try to talk people into my dynamic. If anything, I try to talk people out of it from time to time, as in, don't let anyone push you into this dynamic because it is what they want, make sure it is what you want.
And, btw, I am crazy as a bedbug, but Master knows that and agrees to deal with it. My therapist, my Master, and others who know me seem to think it is safe for me to be out in society at large, regardless of you, in your great, all seeing wisdom, thinking otherwise.
/end tirade

somehow i suspect that if you really were faced with your Master wanting to cut off your arm with anything, you would change your mind about being a no limits slave. In the theoretical is one thing, the reality of it, i suspect would be quite another.
 
I'm not saying that your dynamic is wrong, hey whatever floats your boat, i just don't think that if it came to this you would just hold out your arm and let him.

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RE: No Limits - 3/26/2008 4:05:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know this topic has been discussed over and over but I have not been involved in many of the discussions yet so I thought I'd wade in a bit and get my feet wet. 

I call myself a no limits slave.  He collared the first day we met in person and I had no limits from the beginning.  I trusted our prior conversations about how we both approached this kind of relationship and decided to jump right in.  Foolish? Probably.  Fooling myself? I don't think so.  So far I have not refused an order he has given me.  Thus, I have not imposed any limits on him.

Personally I think there's a difference between saying I have no limits and I will impose no limits.  I don't impose limits on Master. I do not tell him, "you cannot tickle me, make me drink piss or make me quit my job.  I don't have a list of limits that he is not allowed to do.  We both know that if either of us loses respect for the other to a point where we cease to communicate and set out to intentionally cause the other person harm (of the bad variety ) that the relationship would come to an end.  I don't think that saying I would not kill myself if Master ordered it of me is controlling him.   It just means that I haven't written it down on a list and said, "if you do this then I will leave."  Most people have a survival instinct.  The rule is that as long as I am in Master's collar I do what he says.  I can always get it cut off but then I am no longer his slave.  When I say I am a no limits slave I simply mean that as his slave I will never impose my own limits on him.  To suggest that this means that I am either willing to kill myself or am living in a fantasy is to me an extremely narrow view of the complexities that a relationship can take.  Master and I prefer to communicate as we go rather than set down a list of things I won't do.  This works better for us than having limits.  This will not be the case for everyone. 

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RE: No Limits - 3/26/2008 4:07:27 PM   
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No limits slaves have been browbeaten into being afraid to use the language that resonates most with them, because someone will come along and tell them that they should have their arms chopped off without anaesthesia, with a dull Swiss army knife, and that they (the no limits slave, not the person who suggested the Swiss army knife, don'tcha know?) are crazy.


Priceless!


Actually I would pay good money to have that put in a sticky.


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