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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 6:34:05 PM   
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Well...I can't really say if you're fooling yourself...but you sure as shit ain't fooling me.

(You already knew the right answer....you never really needed to hear it from any of us).

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 6:41:00 PM   
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thank you all for the replies... i haven't been taking this situation lightly, i've been thinking sooo much about it.  I do agree if he wants a sub so badly why does he need her in his life too?  Also why can't i be a vanilla girl friend also?  I do deserve more then that... she puts him through hell with her fits of rage yet he wants to keep her around and make me experience that too.... i think i need to read all your posts again

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 6:45:58 PM   
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yes you are...but then i hate poly just for this reason...cause it never works out in the end and people get hurt.

(only my opinion..i dont want to be trampled on for saying it!!)



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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 6:59:18 PM   
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My suggestion would be to walk away.  I know from personal experience how hard a poly lifestyle is and everyone in this one was in the lifestyle, no vanilla involved and it was hard enough that way, I can only imagine having a vanilla lifestyle mixed in.

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 7:01:24 PM   
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I'm going to offer something a tad different than the "get out nows."

Most women are understandably not into sharing.  You are the competition!  While it may be an uphill battle at first, if you want to keep things going you will need to convince her that you are an asset not a liability.  I would suggest trying to forge some kind of friendship between JUST you and her.  While she may be too pissed off for this, it's the only thing I can think of.  Also, if you are very into service, maybe approaching her in terms of offers of service might appeal to her more than an awkward play date.  For example, offering to wash her car at the same time you do your tops, etc.  Or trying very hard to make her life easier.  While this may not be your long term relationship goal, it may do a lot to change her perception of you. 

I mean, really, you are the bitch that took her man.  Until you prove you can be something else - friend to her, etc- her attitude won't change.

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 7:39:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: khem

I'm going to offer something a tad different than the "get out nows."

Most women are understandably not into sharing.  You are the competition!  While it may be an uphill battle at first, if you want to keep things going you will need to convince her that you are an asset not a liability.  I would suggest trying to forge some kind of friendship between JUST you and her.  While she may be too pissed off for this, it's the only thing I can think of.  Also, if you are very into service, maybe approaching her in terms of offers of service might appeal to her more than an awkward play date.  For example, offering to wash her car at the same time you do your tops, etc.  Or trying very hard to make her life easier.  While this may not be your long term relationship goal, it may do a lot to change her perception of you. 

I mean, really, you are the bitch that took her man.  Until you prove you can be something else - friend to her, etc- her attitude won't change.



Are you sure about this? Oh right, so as a submissive you're not fit to be in a relationship unless you're serving someone right, like washing someone's car?

The OP did actually state that the GF came back into the Dom's life having previously been ex. So how can the OP be a bitch who took her man?


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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 7:51:39 PM   
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If he really was that wonderful he wouldn't be lying to himself about her "getting over this". Not to mention that she shouldn't have to, she deserves a wonderful relationship with someone who loves just her and loves her the way she is, and he isn't it.

And you deserve a wonderful relationship with someone who knows that he wants you, doesn't put you into bad situations, and doesn't ignore you every time he's confused. And he isn't it.

Why do you think you don't deserve to be happy, to have what you need?

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 7:53:48 PM   
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So this is how it sounds to me:

1) I met this great dom on the rebound and after two weeks decided he was absolutely the one I wanted and there was just no other great man in the world I could ever be with.  (Obviously life has proven that little piece wrong and I hope you take that lesson with you)

2) The ex returns and I am ignored for two weeks.  This is exactly the mature responsible communcative leader I would love to spend my entire life for and I miserably mope about praying he will give me a chance to prove myself.

3)  Finally, he returns to me, asking to get into a three-way with the person he left before because she was not fulfilling for him and he has no experience with three-ways before, but he apologized and he's SO cute!  I repress all actual doubts I have to try and be as pleasing and desireable as possible.

4)  The ex ruins it by NOT repressing her doubts and actively expressing her anger at my dom not bowing to her will as he had been doing so well before.

5) Please give me advice on how to get rid of this person who stands up for herself and gets exactly what she wants so that I can have my brave solid strong dom all alone forever?

How much do you use your sub sense on yourself and listen to it?

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 7:55:58 PM   
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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 8:32:59 PM   
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The "leave the sod" replies have it. Get out while you can with your sub-pride in tact.

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 9:06:06 PM   
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You know, I really have to agree with those who've said you need to look around... it sounds a lot like this "dom" wants the best of both worlds, but you seem to be the lowest interest in his life rather then what you think, (because and simply because) he's told you you are what he needs. He is trying to treat his ex now back girlfriend as a sub, and she resents it because she isn't one, and he's treating you as a non entity doormat, and you need to move on and find a trustworthy, HONORABLE, Dom - and there are plenty out there.  Look in your local bdsm scene/lifestyle groups first, like Munches, etc, you can find your local groups simply by typing your county and state into one of the major search engines and typing bdsm munches after it - or just bdsm, or spanking. Real people attend the Munches and local private parties, and there you can weed out these abusers, and find Someone that will respect your needs as well as His own. That's a real Master. 

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 9:11:35 PM   
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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/23/2008 9:22:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: justnewsub

I guess that is the hard part... he really wants me, but he also wants her... from what i understand when they decided to get back together it was with the understanding that he would need to have a sub in his life.  I think she thought it would be on a "maintenance" kinda deal, where when he really needs an outlet then i'm there... But from what i understood from all our discussions i was going to become part of their lives... the 3rd person in.... She can't seem to handle it and kept blowing up when we all met... He thinks she is just really afraid that i will replace her... and she needs time to adjust... i think she is going to act out everytime we meet until he is forced to choose either her or me.... he claims he would choose me, but i have my doubts... maybe just a lack of self confidence... I got the impression from her that I am a passing phase, the impression from him is that he is in it for the long term, wants to make a relationship out of it...


in my fantasies i am rich, good looking, and perfect in every way.  unfortunately, reality steps right up and puts me in line.  reality is cruel, but ignoring it can be much more trouble.  Good luck.


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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/24/2008 12:31:54 AM   
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Let's think for a second about what a good Dominant is supposed to be; that is, after all, what you are seeking, so let's run the checklist down. If you're looking for a Dominant to control you to any extent, you're probably going to want one who can - at the very least - control his own life. You know; make decisions and stick with them, navigate a straight course, be decisive...

Well.

You're in the picture a short time, and suddenly he has you in turn-around. His girlfriend (not ex-.) is calling the shots for him. He can't make a firm decision in regard to your situation, and is disreguarding your personal emotional welfare - which is a CARDINAL sin, if he claims dominance (doesn't deserve a capital D). This guy is subbing to his girlfriend, and you're  being subjected to a situation that is impossibly distressing to you. If this guy was a Dominiant, he'd either ditch his girlfriend, or admit he's chosen and get you off the hook. Instead, he's trying to parlay your submissiveness to his personal advantage. That's dishonorable. Unacceptable. Are you worth so little that you are willing to give yourself to a pretender? C'mon, kid - don't cast pearls before swine. Find somebody worthy of your surrender.

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/24/2008 2:25:26 AM   
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The problem here is that NONE of the relationships are stable. When you have three people, you have three personal relationships (the relationship of each with themselves) and four interpersonal relationships: 1 to 2, 2 to 3, 3 to 1 and all three together. It's crucial, in my book, that the Dom have some sense of self awareness. The subs having this, too, is necessary in order for the relationship to last long-term. Then, ONE two-person relationships mentioned HAS to be stable first before adding the third. Constructing a poly household the way you have described, in my experience and observation, is very, very unlikely to work. It's a very common mistake.

If you want to be a primary, find someone who wants to establish that BEFORE they want to add more. If you want to be a secondary, find a stable primary relationship to join.

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/24/2008 3:33:44 AM   
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Hi,
sounds to Me like you already know the answer to your question...
 
Of course he wants to keep you both! What man wouldn't want too? It's like a married man wanting his wife and his mistress living happily together. In the best of world, he wouldn't have to choose.
 
He sounds very selfish to Me. Though I don't know the whole story.
 
The important thing is that you should value yourself enough to get out of this relationship. You deserve better than living in an uncomfortable situation with one who seems to make it pretty clear she does not want you anywhere near. And please don't buy that "I like you too and don't want to lose you" sorry excuse. If his gf was open to have you around, she would behave differently.
 
If she's not happy with it and he doesn't leave her to have what he wants, then YOU should leave because he's behaving like a bastard to her, which shows that chances are, he'll be a bastard with you to. Life is about making choices, and though ones too. It sucks, but that's the way it is. Please choose to respect yourself.
 
This sounds like a new relationship to Me. Pack up and leave. Had it been something founded on years of knowing the person and on some really strong basis, then ok, there could be some food for thought. But I mean, it lasted only a few weeks and then some poo like this happens??? You can find better elsewhere.
 
This lecture being done, I really AM sorry something unplesant has happen. I wouldn't wish this to anyone. And I do know that your pain is very real. Only, it won't last forever. And when you get better, you'll probably realise you accepted too much in this.
 
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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/24/2008 3:50:26 AM   
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quote:

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i think she is going to act out everytime we meet until he is forced to choose either her or me.... he claims he would choose me, but i have my doubts...


He had the opportunity to choose you once already. Instead he chose to let his vanilla girlfriend Domme him. Do what you wish to do, although if you continue in this mess the outcome will be more of the same. If that is your choice, perhaps you are an emotional masochist and this will work out well for you after all.

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/24/2008 4:00:58 AM   
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Enough all ready, girl. Pack and go. Do it. Stop the waffling. Move on, NOW.

You've had the answers repeated over 2 pages, damn near the same thing over and over with little deviance from the core message with a single excepiton that I have noticed.

Thing is I'm starting to see that you either are enjoying the attention and will drag this on as long as possible, or that you have to have someone to tell you what to do.

So, I'm done with advice and telling you, "It is over. Pack your bags, go home, and get your life together and start searching for a Dom/me who is a proper match for you."
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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/24/2008 5:54:42 AM   
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What LA said...

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RE: am i just fooling myself?? - 3/24/2008 6:31:42 AM   
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This is uncannily similar to my former situation....

Get out now.  I will start with this important phrase to you as it is what you need to do (and if you think I am glibly tossing this out to you, you are wrong.  I learned the answer to your problem the hard way...I made all the wrong choices in the same situation and had to pay for it, the hard way).  If you do not, I can assure you that you are headed for a very bumpy and costly road... and that cost will come out of you.  As many here can no doubt recall with some annoyance, it took me nearly three years to get over being in the same situation you are about to put yourself in.  It robbed me of all sense of self, self worth and the ability to find happiness in anything, even the people and things I used to love.

He already ignored you for two weeks.  Let me tell you what it is going to feel like when he ignores you while you are right there with him, doing everything you can to please him  and she is demanding all his time... and he is capitulating...  You are going to feel like you are not good enough.  That no matter how much you work, try, love and give, you are not good enough... and no matter how little she tries...he always goes back to her once he gets a quick fix from you.

In fact...you will not be enough for him...if that were the case, he would never have taken her back.  What he wants is some sort of fantasy land.  What he really wants is for her to be more like you in spirit and devotion...if she will not (or can not) do that for him, if he has a little crack pipe he can take a hit from now and again when she allows it to ensure the longevity of their relationship... you are permitted to be there.. and hey... she probably won't have to do any housework or  any of the unsavory (in her opinion) sexual chores either... so it will all work out well for everyone... but you.

You are right about your relationship with the other woman.  It is never going to get better, in fact....it will get much much, much worse.

She will never like you (and why the hell should she????), and though he says that he wants you two to get along, the way he has brought you two together plainly belies that fact and reveals any lack of ambition in making that relationship work.  He doesn't need it to work...in fact, in some ways, it works better for him if it does not.  Two chicks unified with gripes against him is far worse than one.  Far better for him to have them both pitted against each other to allow him to be the one they go to for everything good.  This will make him quite the christ-like figure in this relationship.

And he has conveniently told this ex he is taking back that you will be the sub, something he needs.  Do you think that will not make you sub to her as well?  If you think otherwise, you are blind.  She has not shown any proficiency with submitting and giving over to be pleasing...and you have...you will be her sub too, and women topping women they do not like and for whom they have adversarial feelings is a toxic combo.  You will be quite surprised at how quickly and how deftly she will work your head over...do not forget... she has known him longer than you, and without your blinders of devotion in 'the new D/s relationship'.  Not only will you be easy pickings as a pleaser-type, he is a known commodity to her and she will know all the angles to work.

Stop.
Are you fooling yourself…. Well, yes, but you are doing so under the direct guidance of the man you are thinking of as your dominant.  

Stop.

It has only been what, a month on the outside?

Stop now.

I didn't.

I gave up everything (financial, yes but more costly was the emotional give) and had to return, quite ruined, to my family for complete mending.  That is a pretty awful place to be as an adult, but I literally had nowhere else to go, and left alone…I do not know what I would have done to myself in the end…a long spiral down into nothingness, is what I greatly suspect would have happened to me.

My friends and family didn't know who I was when I returned.  In fact, they were so worried that it took an enormous toll on all of them, just trying to help facilitate my recovery, just looking at me.

It destroyed my soul and the only thing that brought me back was a 3 year, self imposed solitary confinement, keeping myself away from all people, except for the necessary contact at work, and after a long time, a quite extraordinary person who never demanded anything of me until I healed enough to inspire the hunger to beg for it again (and yes, a lot of good--and some hard--advice from the smarter folks here on Collarme--you know who you are!)...and not everyone gets that lucky, doll.

You are having misgivings now.  They are there for a reason.  Stop. Stop now.  Use your head and turn your heart off for a second, fellow need-to-pleaser.

You will not end up pleasing anyone in the end of it all.  He will feel hurt and betrayed that you could not put up with all the emotional abuse from her (and him), and question whether you are a “real” submissive for not being willing to destroy yourself for him.  She will always resent you and work to get you away from "her man", even if she will now have an extra income added to the household (of which you do not get to spend without permission) and a free live in cook, cleaner and  and  receptical for her wrath (which is probably greatly being fueled by having to share her man with you) and the parts of him which she doesn’t care for (his “Dom” side… though I question his dominance in that relationship).  And you…you are going to hate yourself most of all for failing everyone... and that includes you, and the people who will have to put up with the shadow-you that they drag home to try to help put the mangled pieces back together when this thing comes to its inevitable, catastrophic end.

Stop.

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