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ORIGINAL: EXODUS1

Just out of curiousity,
I'm wondering why Males feel they are the more Dominate species, and why Woman feel they are?
 
Same for Sub/Slave men and woman.
 
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Right, ladies, form a queue....one at a time, no pushing at the back.......

Subtee, I can't argue with the merits of your advice....when is plenty women ever enough?. Point conceded.

Having said this, you're not really answering my post, and I'll venture to suggest it's an emotionally charged response.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Women remain mothers and housewives. Granted, today's world demands two working parents, but it's fair to say women accept the task of child-rearer and home maker.

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Women remain associated with mundale female pursuits - shopping, hairdressing etc - men are associated with projects.

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

I know these strong females too ( my both grandmothers/ how else can you raise those huge families anyway  lol). But we can't judge a whole population by exceptions.

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ORIGINAL: subtee

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

I don't think the evidence supports your claim, MM.

There have been significant advances for women in the last 200 years. They remain, however, "the other".

Women remain the object of male libidinal desire.  And men remain the object of female libidinal desire...at least in heterosexual individuals. .

Women remain inadequately represented in board rooms. A function of society, not as a matter of choice by women. It most certainly is a function of society, but women are part of society and they've been party to the decisions/value systems that have resulted in this situation. With regard to your suggestion that women have not had a choice in this siutation - by extension, you're arguing that women are slaves; in other words, of a weaker disposition. I'm arguing the opposite, women are not innately, or naturally, subservient or weaker.

Women remain inadequately represented in government. Again, societal pressures, hundreds of years of history in governments. See above. You're suggesting women have been forced into their position. Paradoxically and unintentionally (or perhaps intentionally) you're feeding the "men are stronger than women" argument.

Women remain mothers and housewives. Granted, today's world demands two working parents, but it's fair to say women accept the task of child-rearer and home maker. Women accept the task? Do men reject the task? Someone's gotta raise the kids. Of course someone has to raise the kids, but why do women have to fall into that role? particularly if it's not a role they want. My argument is that they they don't have to fall into that role.

Social interaction remains the same. At social events, men introduce themselves to other men, before introducing their partners...."this is my wife/girlfriend etc". Huh? I don't understand how you have come to this conclusion, nor how it is at all germaine to the question. At formal social gatherings, men tend to take the lead; the woman is often introduced by the man. It's on topic because of the implications for social values.

Women remain associated with mundale female pursuits - shopping, hairdressing etc - men are associated with projects. I assume you meant "mundane" female pursuits...wow. See my previous post.

It doesn't have to be this way; women choose this role for themselves. How do you arrive at this conclusion?
 
Be careful, here, because where you're suggesting women do not have a choice, you're suggesting women are slaves and trapped in their situation. 'Not exactly akin to empowerment, and reversing women's fortunes.
 
As an example, where you choose to stay at home and look after the kids, that's your choice, as is accepting men dominating you in the board room........that's your choice. Collectively, women don't have to accept this state of affairs.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

I know these strong females too ( my both grandmothers/ how else can you raise those huge families anyway  lol). But we can't judge a whole population by exceptions.

Population? I was unaware that gender was a population persay. All I have to go by, like all of the rest of us, are the people I am exposed to in my life. I can honestly say that there are fewer dominant human beings than there are otherwise, regardless of gender. The greater percentile find comfort in submitting, following a standard or norm.

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

And to NG oh seriously that was a pile of very sexist crap you just spouted, women arent represented not through choice but due to the glass celing and institutionalised bigotry

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

And to NG oh seriously that was a pile of very sexist crap you just spouted, women arent represented not through choice but due to the glass celing and institutionalised bigotry

You'll find there are femiminsts who will agree with most of what I've said.

Be careful when you suggest women don't have a choice to redress the balance. The implications don't lend towards womens' empowerment.

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ORIGINAL: subtee

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Right, ladies, form a queue....one at a time, no pushing at the back.......

Subtee, I can't argue with the merits of your advice....when is plenty women ever enough?. Point conceded.

Having said this, you're not really answering my post, and I'll venture to suggest it's an emotionally charged response.

Not emotionally charged for me. Is the point of your post that women have consciously decided to remain "other," (meaning lesser or, to speak to the OP, submissive/less dominant than men)?

Acknowledging that some women are this, others are that--and you have in your caveat, it seems your generalization is that there have been advances, yet women "remain..."

I wouldn't disagree with the generalization; but I would argue that this is a function of the choices of women, generally speaking.

Further, since the OP was asking "Why do you feel stronger.../why do males feel they are the more dominate [sic] species...it seems that your reasoning stems from these supposed choices of women. In other words, men are more dominant (if indeed they are), because women aren't. And they aren't because they haven't chosen to be. Hmmmm.

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

im pretty sure that allying yourself with feminists wont make your "mundane female pursuits" sit any easier.

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

The only time that women really will have choice is once we have an equal society, which we dont as you said by and large the heards of corperations are held by men, this is because the heads of corperations have always been men and they like to keep it that way, not that long ago LAT had a post about women feeling that they had come up against prejudice in the workplace (guess what, most felt they had) Women cant beat there way into the senior positions of  established companies if they are constantly held back.

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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

My quick 2 cents.
I do not believe there is a dominant species among people, asince last I checked we are all the same one.
I am Dominant because that is what my personality fits. I have had submissive girls and submissive boys. I have had Dominant male and female partners over the years. The gender of the person I interact with has never really mattered when it came to their leanings. I have also known females that dressed and acted like men in their day to day life, as well as males that dressed as women. Some were dominant, some were submissive, some were even vanila aside from the gender-reversal.
Dominant and submissive natures are just that, natures. They are not linked to the persons genes anymore than a persons like or dislike or abilities at housework or auto mechanics are.

DV