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Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:02:18 PM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		I'm a very spiritual person.  I don't follow any form of organized religion.  I don't have a personal investment in my slave's specific religious beliefs.  Yet I will never be involved with a woman who doesn't share an interest in spiritualism again.  I would be incompatible with an athiest who doesn't respect my expectations for her emotional and spiritual development.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:05:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's something I've wondered about myself, Stephan. My beliefs are important to me, but so is love, and love often ignores what we want in a partner.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:08:24 PM   
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I'm a very spiritual person.  I don't follow any form of organized religion.  I don't have a personal investment in my slave's specific religious beliefs.  Yet I will never be involved with a woman who doesn't share an interest in spiritualism again.  I would be incompatible with an athiest who doesn't respect my expectations for her emotional and spiritual development.

Stephan



I can definitely grasp where you're coming from. Quite outside the lifestyle, but I've never personally met a person who did not have at least some form of spirituality - even the most threadbare, regardless of how they think of it. It would be truly depressing if I did, I am sure.


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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:09:18 PM   
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I guess it's one of those things I first address with someone I'm getting to know.  When I meet the wife of a good friend, it doesn't matter how perfect, wonderful, desirable, beautiful she is; I don't permit any sort of friendship/emotional relationship to grow between us.  Same with a woman who I don't feel meets certain minimal expectations I have.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:11:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		This was something that I was going to mention on the thread I'm sure it originated from. 

It's My personal belief that not all things spiritual necessarily equate religious.  A spiritual path might mean something as simple as personal meditation time.  It might be something with no structure given whatsoever, such as faith.  It could be a belief that there is something larger than one's self.


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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:15:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my opinion, if you can participate in the sunrise or sunset of a day, and not be completely unaffected by it, there has to be some element of spirituality buried in you, no matter how deep. Connection with nature is definitely a form of spirituality.

A person lacking in spirituality is for that reason a person incapable of appreciating greater nobility and beauty in the world at large, something I abhore.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:22:17 PM   
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My beliefs are important to me, but so is love, and love often ignores what we want in a partner.


I agree with this. I also kinda don't. They're both important to me, and yes, I've been in love with people that did not share my spirituality. But, in the end, we're better off as friends. My spirituality is a huge part of my life, and a life-partner, for me, needs to be able to share in at least part of that. I don't think we have to settle on an important issue just because we're in love. In fact, I don't think I should.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:25:55 PM   
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My beliefs are important to me, but so is love, and love often ignores what we want in a partner.


I agree with this. I also kinda don't. They're both important to me, and yes, I've been in love with people that did not share my spirituality. But, in the end, we're better off as friends. My spirituality is a huge part of my life, and a life-partner, for me, needs to be able to share in at least part of that. I don't think we have to settle on an important issue just because we're in love. In fact, I don't think I should.


That's where each individual has to decided where to draw the line. What is acceptable to me, and what isn't?

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:44:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the spirit and/or soul can be affected by things other than organized religion.  If I was forced to attend organized religion under the guise of growing spiritually I would find that to be a negative element in my life.  

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:46:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephann

I'm a very spiritual person.  I don't follow any form of organized religion.  I don't have a personal investment in my slave's specific religious beliefs.  Yet I will never be involved with a woman who doesn't share an interest in spiritualism again.  I would be incompatible with an athiest who doesn't respect my expectations for her emotional and spiritual development.

Stephan



I agree with this. I do belong to an organized church. I don't insist that anyone I love be connected with that particular church, but I would certainly much prefer that my life partner share an awe of the universe that admits to something greater than ourselves as being "in charge."

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:46:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Religion is about institutionalizing a belief.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 8:52:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephann

I'm a very spiritual person.  I don't follow any form of organized religion.  I don't have a personal investment in my slave's specific religious beliefs.  Yet I will never be involved with a woman who doesn't share an interest in spiritualism again.  I would be incompatible with an athiest who doesn't respect my expectations for her emotional and spiritual development.

Stephan



Makes sense to me. I'm a rather religious and spiritual person. I would never submit to an athiest because I don't think they could ever respect that part of me. I also want to raise my children in a religious household - I don't think that would be possible with one parent athiest and the other not. I don't care so much what religion they are, or even if they follow a particular religion. Just that they have their own spiritual beliefs that work with me and they are willing to respect my religious practices and we can agree on how to raise the podlings.

One of the many reasons I adore Valyraen so is that he has been very supportive of my own religious and spiritual journey, despite the odd twists and turns it has taken.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 9:00:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would't become involved with someone whose ideas on religion and spirituality varied too greatly from my own. Its just too much of a touchy subject for many people.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 9:22:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I could not be together with somebody who is involved in organized religion, especially if it is one of the stricter or sectlike forms of christian or islamic or jewish religion. As a buddist with a jewish/christian family background, i can not stand the houlier than you and fanatic believers, who was my family not. Although my grandfather was a preacher, religious tolerance was a very big topic in our family.

But my religious tolerance ends with the person i share my life with, because i am not a christian and i do not believe in a higher power it would be impossible to be in love with someone who does. I have christian, moslem and jewish friends, who are practicing their religion and it is fine with me as long as nobody tries to discuss it with me in missionaric fashion. I do not go around and try to buddissimize others and i expect this respect given back to me. The same goes for a friend of mine, she is practising some form of - i do not know exactly, she is goth and is wearing very strange things around her neck- this is exactly the same. I do not want to know what she is doing, i suspect that i would not feel comfortable with what she is doing, so we exclude the topic.


I met atheists who were very spiritual, in their connection with nature and their devotion to mother nature.

So for me it depends on the situation and the person i have to deal with. My first and second husband are both very spiritual and i share a lot of beautiful spiritual moments with them.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 9:57:36 PM   
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But my religious tolerance ends with the person i share my life with, because i am not a christian and i do not believe in a higher power it would be impossible to be in love with someone who does

I understand your feelings though mine are exactly opposite.  I am a Christian.  I do believe in God and I think it would be impossible for me to share my life and love with someone who does not.  If not impossible, pretty close to impossible.  What definitely WOULD be impossible, would be for me to love or respect someone who would mock or minimize what I believe even if he/she didn't believe the same. 

For me, that's what it all boils down to.  I absolutely don't care what anyone's personal spiritual beliefs are.  He or she has every right to them no matter what they are or how much they differ from my own.  What I can not stomach is someone who constantly mocks, criticizes, belittles and/or laughs at another's personal spiritual/religious beliefs.  As disgusting as they may find religious "fanatics," I find it just as sickening to take every opportunity to mock someone's else's beliefs simply because you don't share them.  That says so much about the one doing the mocking.  If they were comfortable in their own beliefs, they would have zero need to mock mine. 

So, though it would be NEAR impossible to share my life and love with a non-Christian, it would definitely BE impossible to share it with someone who had a need to minimize the beliefs I hold dear..................luci 

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 10:46:53 PM   
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That's where each individual has to decided where to draw the line. What is acceptable to me, and what isn't?

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 10:56:34 PM   
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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 11:02:01 PM   
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I am a devout atheist, and I don't push my views on others.  I could tolerate a religious or spiritual view point from a partner, as long as they don't impose such beliefs on me or try to coerce me into such. 

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 11:08:25 PM   
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I feel the need to put in my $0.02 worth in, even if it gets me flamed.

I am a devout atheist, and I don't push my views on others.  I could tolerate a religious or spiritual view point from a partner, as long as they don't impose such beliefs on me or try to coerce me into such. 



I don't think anyone really cares.  Tho one of my favorite scenes in the blues brothers is "you boys need some churching up"  head on over to the triple rock bapist church.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 11:35:40 PM   
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But my religious tolerance ends with the person i share my life with, because i am not a christian and i do not believe in a higher power it would be impossible to be in love with someone who does

I understand your feelings though mine are exactly opposite.  I am a Christian.  I do believe in God and I think it would be impossible for me to share my life and love with someone who does not.  If not impossible, pretty close to impossible.  What definitely WOULD be impossible, would be for me to love or respect someone who would mock or minimize what I believe even if he/she didn't believe the same. 

For me, that's what it all boils down to.  I absolutely don't care what anyone's personal spiritual beliefs are.  He or she has every right to them no matter what they are or how much they differ from my own.  What I can not stomach is someone who constantly mocks, criticizes, belittles and/or laughs at another's personal spiritual/religious beliefs.  As disgusting as they may find religious "fanatics," I find it just as sickening to take every opportunity to mock someone's else's beliefs simply because you don't share them.  That says so much about the one doing the mocking.  If they were comfortable in their own beliefs, they would have zero need to mock mine. 

So, though it would be NEAR impossible to share my life and love with a non-Christian, it would definitely BE impossible to share it with someone who had a need to minimize the beliefs I hold dear..................luci 


Thank you slaveluci for your words, i was very early awake and not fully able to express, what i meant.

There are fanatics in everything. My aim was to reach exactly what you put so eloquently in words. My religious/spiritual beliefs are holy to me and i do not want to be mocked about them, in fact it hurts me very deep, i met so many believers of mono theistic religions with whom i shared essential beliefs and we got along just fine, but there are other people who can not stand, that there are human beings with another belief system. The same goes for politics or the Right Way to Catch a certain Fish.

The strangest thing that happened to me, was many years ago, i had a good friend who got busted in morocco for trying to smuggle 27 kilos of Marihuana to germany. He spent 9 months in a jail there and in his first letter, that came through asked for Nutella (something sweet to put on bread) and something against lice. His girlfriend flew out to morocco together and on the expense of that dealer who lured Florian to do such a crazy thing. As he came back from morocco, he was nearly autistic and we decided, it would be the best when i live with him for a while.

I am not a drug user. We had a agreement, no drugs in the flat and he broke it again and again. Then one unfine day i came home and Florian and two other people where in the kitchen, on our table lay round about 1,5 kilo marihuana. And i told them, you have 1 minute to leave, i will call the police. One of them tried to talk to me about my missing tolerance and how can i judge them .....

The moral of the story: Even drug use can be religion.

To be clear about it i smoked maybe 20 times dope as i was younger, but i never liked the drug. But i know that people with terminal illnesses or with heavy chronic pain can benefit a lot of cannabis. I even understand when people use it, from time to time.




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