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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 11:39:49 PM   
ZenDragoness


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The scene you describe is just great.




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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/26/2008 11:53:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, Stephan.

I would have to agree with you there. It need not be a hard limit, but it's definitely one of those things where my initial response would be to consider that there are other fish in the sea that will present fewer obstacles to a successful relationship.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 1:03:48 AM   
Tantriqu


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Status: offline 		I loooooooove Taking good catholic men!    they're sooo repressed yet obedient and fascinated by sex. 

Just my favourite flavour.

That being said, almost any creed is welcome as long as they're intelligent, moral, ethical, empathetic and not elitist about their beliefs, and as long as they know Friday-Sundays are to be spent on their knees before Me!

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 3:30:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephann

I'm a very spiritual person.  I don't follow any form of organized religion.  I don't have a personal investment in my slave's specific religious beliefs.  Yet I will never be involved with a woman who doesn't share an interest in spiritualism again.  I would be incompatible with an athiest who doesn't respect my expectations for her emotional and spiritual development.

Stephan



where is the question? :P


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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 4:35:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am an athiest and I am very in touch with nature. Moreso during deer hunting season. My kids were raised catholic by their mother. I never interfered. My son dropped out after being molested by the priest. My daughter dropped out when she thought the church was being hypocritical. I figure that your religon is your thing and I respect that but keep it to yourself.  As far as their being a higher being than you is in my opinion not true. You decide on what you do and how you want to do it.   

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 4:43:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Live and let live.  I wouldn't matter to me.  I want to know if they have good moral charcter as determined by my standards.

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Live and let live...doesn't matter...but you are going to judge them anyway?

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 4:49:39 AM   
adoracat


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Status: offline 		Daddy is a very lapsed catholic.  i'm a heathen.  we're both spiritual people.

religion can be a very touchy subject to many, which is why in trying to find someone i made it a point to ask if my religion was going to be an issue, as i was not going to change it for anyone.

kitten

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 4:57:43 AM   
LadyHathor


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Status: offline 		I take the path here that LadyP has set out--I do not see religion and spirituality as one in the same, I also do not see them as mutually inclusive--I have an earth bound spirituality and am open to other beliefs or religions, I could not however live with someone who did not have some inner guiding principle--though a non belief in a god is not included in that as long as they had some thing guiding them---I also could not live with someone who thought they were going to or who spent their time trying to convert Me.
 
Unlike Level, no amount of love makes up for certain things in My world--but then that's why its My world.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 5:16:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		     Someone once told me: "i don't know who built the church, but God made the sun shine"
    i have subsequently become a solipsist, which can easily translate to "whatever you expect to happen will happen." 
    Either way the thought of atheism confuses and scares me.  i am not brave enough to believe there is no God, and in too much awe to think this all is here through chance.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 6:50:47 AM   
MamaDomme1


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Status: offline 		Stephann, I agree with you in most of what you are saying.  When I first start talking with a potential submissive/slave, I ask them about their religious/spiritual beliefs and path.  It is important to me for a variety of reasons.  Number 1, I don't wish to do anything to infringe upon their own spiritual path.  Number 2, I don't want them to infringe or mock my path.

I feel there is a vast difference between religion and spirituality.  Religion is organized into dogma and a list of "must do" rules and regulations.  One does not have to actually believe and practice something from the soul in order to just belong to a religion.  A spiritual path is something that one feels from their soul and actually lives that belief without being hypocritical to other structures.

I am a very spiritual person.  A sort of inter-faith eclectic Pagan, meaning that I feel that all religious and spiritual paths are valid for the person believing and practicing that particular path.

I have followed my path for well over 30 years.  I don't see me changing my beliefs.  I have no need to change it.  I also don't ask others to follow my beliefs, however, I do request tolerance just as I give tolerance. 

My ultimate partner will be one that shares a similar spiritual path as mine and I really don't feel that an athiest, nor a fundamentalist of any religion, would be compatible with me.  That isn't to say that we can't be friends or even occasional play partners, we just can't be full partners in life.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 6:52:09 AM   
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It really depends on the theist (and atheists are theists too) some are so hell bent on conversion that it makes differing opinions absolutly incompatible.

In general I lable myself as an apatheist-- besically thinking about God and the what ifs drives me insane and I like much better sticking to the here and now.  I also consider myself a humanist as if one compares all the major religions are spiritual creeds there is a pronounced similarity in how one should treat others.

However, I'll also admit that I can be as maddening as any other theist as I like to study religious origins in the abstract and many can't handle listening to thoughts of their religion spoken with clinical detachment.

So I don't think that the spirituality has to be compatible nearly as much as the approach to religiosity.

Spoken from one who has everyone from Babtist missionaries and ministers and Wiccas at her family reunions.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 7:01:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do fullly agree with that Stephann. I didnt used to think that way on it, but you figure out by experience what things you are willing to stand up for. I need that connection with someone on a shared spiritual background for it all to work in the big picture.
 
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ORIGINAL: Stephann

I'm a very spiritual person.  I don't follow any form of organized religion.  I don't have a personal investment in my slave's specific religious beliefs.  Yet I will never be involved with a woman who doesn't share an interest in spiritualism again.  I would be incompatible with an athiest who doesn't respect my expectations for her emotional and spiritual development.

Stephan



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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 7:11:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would prefer someone who is a Unitarian Universalist Pagan.(in my primary partner.)  Failing that, I would take ethier of those, or at least completely ok with my beliefs.  And if there are children, I prefer them to at least be exposed to UU.

As for other's beliefs, All religions, philosophy,spiritualities,etc. have alot of good and interesting things about them.  And like others have said on here: it doesn't bother me what others believe, as long as they don't try to convert me.


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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 7:22:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nonreligious is not the same as nonspiritual. People can meditate and be spiritual without believing in any higher power.

As long as he doesn't block me from my religion or proselytize I have no problem. I can go to Saturday morning services at shul and meet him for lunch after, and he can go to Sunday morning services at his church and I'll meet him for lunch afterwards. If the sermon was interesting, then we share it. If not we discuss who we ran into.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 7:24:27 AM   
sirguym


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Status: offline 		I count myself an atheist and can't abide religious or political bigotry of any kind.

So long as they don't shove their superstitious clap trap on me, and accept my view that I have the right to believe and to say it's nonsense,  I can accept anybody having a different view.

But if ever they get 'holier than thou' presuming some more elevated moral standpoint then they can go forth and multiply, elsewhere.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 7:28:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

I'm a very spiritual person.  I don't follow any form of organized religion.  I don't have a personal investment in my slave's specific religious beliefs.  Yet I will never be involved with a woman who doesn't share an interest in spiritualism again.  I would be incompatible with an athiest who doesn't respect my expectations for her emotional and spiritual development.

Stephan



I agree with you about not being involved with someone who doesn't have spirituality of a sort. 

I was brought up in the Methodist church, believing in God and Christ.  When I went to chiropractic college, I began to understand my father's deepened belief in the idea that "the power that made us can also do wonders to heal us if the roadblocks are removed".  If you look at the idea of wellness...something that chiropractic and naturopathy and many other "alternative" health providers have preached for years and that the allopaths have finally caught up with...it has at its core a building of the spirit and the mind to maximize the health of the body. 

I like those beliefs and I believe in them.  I don't insist that my partner follow those same beliefs but I could not be involved with someone who was unaffected by spirituality of any sort at all.  Someone who can't look at a sunrise and note the miracle of it, whether that miracle be of God's doing or Buddha's doing or some undefined something/someone of a greater power than our own.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 7:41:33 AM   
MistressVnus


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Unlike Level, no amount of love makes up for certain things in My world--but then that's why its My world.


I'm not quite sure Level meant it that way as he goes on to say somthing to the effect of "and love often compels us to ignore what we want in a partner."  Which I interpreted as a way to say that he, as well as many of us, have probably found out the hard way that we must make sure the attributes we seek are there in a partner, regardless of how much "love" we may feel.
But, that's just my take on it.  He will have to speak for himself as he is the only one who really knew what he meant.

That said, my spirituality and practices related to that are extremely important to me.  And, what my partner's beliefs are regarding this are as highly important to me.  Like the OP, I feel, as the Mistress, I am responsible for my slave's well-being and growth, mentally, physcially, spiritually.  How can I do that if they have no spiritual foundation or belief system.  I don't fare well with agnostic or athiest.  And, this is something I cover with any potential slave not too far into our initial communications.  I too, don't feel spirituality and religion are the same thing.  And, if someone responds to my spirituality questions with something like..."well, I was raised Catholic," I immediately shove that out of the way and ask them what they believe, in their hearts, regarding the powers that be.  Whether it's universal energy, God, Goddess, whatever?
I have also found it important to ask those who respond with certain spiritual beliefs and practices if they are of the light or of the dark.  This, recently, has become a huge issue with someone I engage with.  And, I never realized how important that question was until a few years ago.  And, now I know, first hand, just how important it really is.

BTW, great thread.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 9:14:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Someone who can't look at a sunrise and note the miracle of it, whether that miracle be of God's doing or Buddha's doing or some undefined something/someone of a greater power than our own.


Sigh. That's what I believe in... something... but I don't know what it is.  It's not organized religion, it's not a book written by a person... it's something.  A lot of people give me a rash of crap for that.

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 10:21:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just like in my social and political beliefs, so too do I want common religious/spiritual beliefs in a slave/submissive.

I think it just helps make things run more smoothly over all.

As long as one is upfront about this, why would it be a problem?

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RE: Religious Incompatibility - 3/27/2008 11:10:51 AM   
AtlantaMistress


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Status: offline 		It is said the 2 things you shouldn't talk about until you really know someone are religion and politics. In reality, when you are looking for someone to have a very close relationship of any kind, it should be important that you at least know what the other believes. IMO, it does not matter so much that you are on the exact same page, but that you can have respect for their beliefs - no matter how different they may be from your own. 

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