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Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 7:45:55 PM

Kalista07

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So, i'm really trying to find a way to reach an employee of mine... i've had to write her up recently and will more than likely be writting her up again in the near future and then she'll be suspended without a days pay and eventually she'll be terminated. Despite the fact that her personality grates on my last nerve this is really NOT what i want. However, i don't understand or comprehend her thinking. Is it just a generation Y thing? She's 25 or so and she's so freaking young and immature. i'm 33 and not sure i've frankly ever been as young as her. i'm not jealous or anything like that. She's just so freaking arrogant and self centered that at times i want to cause her physical harm. She really makes me question my management skills because she is constantly pushing the lines. For example, she's schedule to work tomorrow from 8am to 5pm. i told my boss i may go in just to make sure she shows up on time, but i don't want to....
i don't understand where people of that age group get their work ethic. Before You start flaming me, i understand it's not EVERYBODY in that age group. Trust me, i'm a generation X person and everyone had horrible stuff to say about our work ethics as well, and it never applied to me.
i don't know if i really have a point to this or not. i'm just frustrated as hell....Any ideas, stories, suggestions, anything?
Thanks,
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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 7:52:46 PM

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Stab her in the eye...

It'ld make me feel better.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 7:56:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kalista07

So, i'm really trying to find a way to reach an employee of mine... i've had to write her up recently and will more than likely be writting her up again in the near future and then she'll be suspended without a days pay and eventually she'll be terminated. Despite the fact that her personality grates on my last nerve this is really NOT what i want. However, i don't understand or comprehend her thinking. Is it just a generation Y thing? She's 25 or so and she's so freaking young and immature. i'm 33 and not sure i've frankly ever been as young as her. i'm not jealous or anything like that. She's just so freaking arrogant and self centered that at times i want to cause her physical harm. She really makes me question my management skills because she is constantly pushing the lines. For example, she's schedule to work tomorrow from 8am to 5pm. i told my boss i may go in just to make sure she shows up on time, but i don't want to....
i don't understand where people of that age group get their work ethic. Before You start flaming me, i understand it's not EVERYBODY in that age group. Trust me, i'm a generation X person and everyone had horrible stuff to say about our work ethics as well, and it never applied to me.
i don't know if i really have a point to this or not. i'm just frustrated as hell....Any ideas, stories, suggestions, anything?
Thanks,
Kali

Early is on-time.

On-time is late.

Late is as bad as being absent.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:14:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Early is on-time.

On-time is late.

Late is as bad as being absent.

See, i can get that.....i guess where i struggle the most is when she does this bullshit of, "uh!! Well i had to leave two hours early yesterday... i worked five minutes late the night before." WHAT???

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:16:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kalista07

So, i'm really trying to find a way to reach an employee of mine... i've had to write her up recently and will more than likely be writting her up again in the near future and then she'll be suspended without a days pay and eventually she'll be terminated. Despite the fact that her personality grates on my last nerve this is really NOT what i want. However, i don't understand or comprehend her thinking. Is it just a generation Y thing? She's 25 or so and she's so freaking young and immature. i'm 33 and not sure i've frankly ever been as young as her. i'm not jealous or anything like that. She's just so freaking arrogant and self centered that at times i want to cause her physical harm. She really makes me question my management skills because she is constantly pushing the lines. For example, she's schedule to work tomorrow from 8am to 5pm. i told my boss i may go in just to make sure she shows up on time, but i don't want to....
i don't understand where people of that age group get their work ethic. Before You start flaming me, i understand it's not EVERYBODY in that age group. Trust me, i'm a generation X person and everyone had horrible stuff to say about our work ethics as well, and it never applied to me.
i don't know if i really have a point to this or not. i'm just frustrated as hell....Any ideas, stories, suggestions, anything?
Thanks,
Kali

Fire her. Why would you not want to? You said you hate her personality and she's always pushing the limits. Some people you can only teach by firing. When they lose enough jobs, they'll alter their attitude.

And it's not just a Gen Y thing. I'm in between X and Y (I think) and I've seen some on both sides.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:20:08 PM

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Are you writing her up just because you don't like her? Honestly I don't understand the hostility. I'm 32, and I get along just fine with people in their mid 20's. I don't find them arrogant or self-centered anymore than any other age group. The fact that you wish to do her bodily harm leads me to believe this is more than workplace incompetence.

I do sense some jealousy here, and I have seen it before with women in workplaces. I have a feeling this girl is attractive and ambitious. You may not even know that you are being unfair to her, but it sounds to me like you need to step back and analyze yourself before you go to far. Using your position at work to cause problems for someone is cowardly, and it may backfire on you someday. One of the things my father always said was, "Be careful of whose asses you kick on the way up, because they maybe the same asses you have to kiss on the way down."

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:20:28 PM

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i think the major reason i don't want to fire her is because i need to make sure that i've given her every possible opportunity to change. i know she has the potential to be good at the job we do, but her arrogance gets in her way. i also know that personally i struggle with her because we are from two oppostie ends of the earth. She's from a clearly upper middle class family and i'm clearly not....

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:26:02 PM

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hmmm...Let me see here.... She may be attractive to some outwardly, but sadly i don't envy her at all...Seriously, i'm really self aware and am okay admitting when another woman is hot or attractive or whatever..But this girl doesn't give me anything. In fact, she so self centered and fake i think it really detracts from her outward looks. Maybe if she didn't talk i'd find her attractive, but not so much the way it is. And ambitious? i don't really think she is so much. She doesn't work hard, she doesn't have any loyalty, she's not dedicated to those we serve, and frankly most times she can't even be bothered to do the work she needs to do; Let alone to go the extra mile.
Thanks for your advice, but i must tell you that you are wrong. When i say that i want to cause her bodily harm it's just an expression....... The thing is i need to find a balance in my expectations of her. i'm accepting unacceptable behavior and actions from her that i wouldn't accept from anyone else, simply because my fear is that i'm not being as kind, tolerant, or teaching as i could be due to her personality..... So, my fear is i'm not actually helping her by being more flexible, but by causing her more harm.
i do appreciate what you had to say though,
Kali

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:26:23 PM

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Oh yeahhhhh, her being late and leaving early is clearly caused by your jealousy. Yep.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:27:52 PM

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Oh yeahhhhh, her being late and leaving early is clearly caused by your jealousy. Yep.

Cali

LMAO.... Yeah, cause i am that powerful and all...heh..
Kali

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:35:03 PM

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quote:

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i think the major reason i don't want to fire her is because i need to make sure that i've given her every possible opportunity to change. i know she has the potential to be good at the job we do, but her arrogance gets in her way. i also know that personally i struggle with her because we are from two oppostie ends of the earth. She's from a clearly upper middle class family and i'm clearly not....

Meaning that her attitude is from where she comes from, or perceives that she comes from.
She needs a wakeup call. She's not going to make it in the world the way she's acting unless she goes to college and gets a MRS degree and lands a well to do sugar daddy.

She was probably a brat at home to mommy and daddy as well and they did nothing to discourage it, their fault.

Call her into your office on a day off for her. Let her know that she will show up or she will be suspended without pay for a week, but pay her for the time when she shows, it is work related afterall. Then tell her what the problem is. Including her silly excuses and how they have no bearing on anything. Sometimes people work late, it's part of the real world. Her lateness is cause for termination. Her attitude is bad for business and ground for termination. Yet, you're giving her every opportunity you can think of to give her the chance to succeed.

Oh, put a ball gag on your desk and tell her that you think she would benefit from it if she can't shut up and listen. LOL

She's a brat, plain and simple. She's never had anyone stand up to her in any way that has mattered. She needs to learn about real life and what it means to hold a real job.

My 2dollars (inflation).

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:43:12 PM

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Gemini,
Just for the record...i think i want You...
Kali

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:46:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

Gemini,
Just for the record...i think i want You...
Kali

You've got cmail.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:51:25 PM

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Damn... had to take care of a kiddo here... Kali beat me to it.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 8:55:16 PM

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okay, I'm new to collarme, and I don't know anyone here personally, I am however 21 and a part of this generation. I have witnessed these kinds of worth ethics first hand, in fact my sister in law sounds like a carbon copy of this girl, if she presently had a job I'd be wondering if it was she you're speaking of!

Here's a thought, and I've seen it work, I was a manager of...well, never mind where, for about 4 months, and I find that if you praise the little bit of work these lazy selfish slobs do accomplish and let them know (perhaps exageratingly so) that the work they do is noticed, it tends to improve their performance.

Just a thought though! My 1 dollar (since mostly woman still get paid less than men :-P)

-V

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 9:03:36 PM

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Why is she that essential to the company?

What's the problem with firing her?

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 9:08:50 PM

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I am 48. Now you can imagine how I feel. This new generation of work force lacks certain customer and interpersonal skills that only mature workers can exhibit.
33 is not much different than 25 in my eyes.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 9:14:13 PM

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She's 25 or so? Do you know anything about her work history? Is it possible this is her first full-time career-oriented job? Would she benefit from some instruction? Motivation? Dare I say mentoring (mentoring in a non-confrontational manner)? Perhaps there is a missing piece here. Or maybe this situation represents a personality conflict between both of you. What sort of lines is she pushing?

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 9:24:27 PM

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I was a supervisor in a call center, and faced a lot of the same challenges that you are facing. I found that generally speaking, the younger generation is more lackadaisical then older folks, but I don't think it's a "Generation Y" thing. When I was younger and other slackers behaved like this, the same thing was said. However, at the call center, I fired as many people in their 30's and 40's as I did young people. It was almost a revolving door. It's an overall attitude, I think, that has become a malaise in our society. People don't want to work. They want everything handed to them. We, as supervisors, were supposed to find a way to reach them on their level. Here's what I did.

1. Don't mince words. I had a kid who was putting himself through school, so the job was just to pay for it. Yet he wasn't even meeting the minimum. I pointed out how though the job may not be his career choice, it is keeping him alive to persue his career choice, and if he loses the job, he can't even afford the gas to go to school. I came right out and said, "You're cutting yourself off at the knees, man." The kid improved enough to keep his job.

2. Find out what she is doing there. Different people have different motives to work. Is her father paying the bills, and her salary is clothes money? Is she married and just making extra income? Does she hope for a career? Either way, showing her how her behavior is affecting this might help.

3. Don't take it personal. This human being had a lot of input into who they are long before you came along. They will have it after you are gone. Whatever their flaws are, they are their flaws, and no one else can fix it. Prepare for the termination to protect your companies legal interests, then count it as a loss. Not everyone wants help.

4. Cut your losses and move on to people who work hard and deserve your consideration and help. There are valuable employees working for you who do want to do well, and deserve the attention. Her vapid selfishness is making that impossible.

Hope this helps.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/29/2008 9:36:26 PM

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i thought a generation was technically 20 years, not 8?

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