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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/30/2008 3:52:14 PM   
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The employer IS NOT doing the employee a favor by giving them a job.  The employee IS doing the employer a favor by selling them a needed commodity.
thompson



      True enough, Thom, if you choose to look at it that way, but doesn't that place just as much of a burden on the employee to be selling a quality product?  Works great if you have a mighty rare set of skills, notso-hotso if there are 40 people standing outside waiting to sell the same thing.

      It isn't just a generational thing.  I tend to not worry so much about the times when jobs are scarce.  I won't be waiting around for new ones to be created, I'll just go take a job away from someone who thinks their sweat is champagne.

Rich:
Perhaps it is because I am so very good at everything  I do that I have never been fired nor has anyone ever "taken" my job.  If you worked for me I would pay you enough that you would not consider working somewhere else...If I found someone who could do your job better and I could make more money by hiring them you would get a pink slip with severance pay.  But then I have only had one "union" job in my life and it lasted about a month.  I am not against unions but I have never been in a position where I needed their direct protection.  Without unions though I am sure things could have been different.
I agree with you that the employee needs to have a superior product.  I also agree with you that it is not a generational thingie...the elders have been pissin' and moanin' about the "lazy kids today" since we learned how to write.





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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/30/2008 4:07:55 PM   
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Early is on-time.

On-time is late.

Late is as bad as being absent.
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This is your original post.


You get paid from the moment the job starts to the moment the job ends.

Being IN PLACE and ready to begin when the whistle blows is YOUR responsibility.
This is called the "texas two step"
If you are not going to pay me to be early don't expect me to be early.  I will work for what I am paid to do and not a second longer.

You're not paid for the time it takes to commute to the gig, are you?
No one is talking about being paid for drive time.



Actually, they should just be fired. If you're told the job starts at 9, it's your responsibility to be there sufficiently before 9, so that you are able to begin AT 9. Think of it like a scheduled meeting. Do you arrive *exactly* at the appointed time?
If the meeting is scheduled at 0900 then I am standing tall (cocked and locked and ready to rock) at 0900 not 0859 and not at 0901
If you play football then you know that a pulling guard must show up on time...not early not late.

Of course not -- and that's my point.

Now, do I think, in practice people should be cut from the team for missing a single bus, once? Of course not. But if it's a common occurrence? Damn right that loser's out the door.
I don't have a problem with that. 

It's not about a lack-of-respect for your employer, it's about a lack-of-respect for your COWORKERS. If you can't be TRUSTED to support THEIR efforts by showing up on-time, then you can't be trusted -- period.
V ring six o'clock.

e.g.: I'm doing a project where the scheduled time is "flex-time". There are no scheduled hours. I chose to consistently begin at 8:45. I'm IN THE DOOR about 8:30. AT 8:45, the PC is booted, I've got a fresh cup of coffee, my coat is hanging in the closet, and I'm ready to go.


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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/30/2008 4:28:21 PM   
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So, i'm really trying to find a way to reach an employee of mine... i've had to write her up recently and will more than likely be writting her up again in the near future and then she'll be suspended without a days pay and eventually she'll be terminated. Despite the fact that her personality grates on my last nerve this is really NOT what i want.  However, i don't understand or comprehend her thinking. Is it just a generation Y thing? She's 25 or so and she's so freaking young and immature. i'm 33 and not sure i've frankly ever been as young as her. i'm not jealous or anything like that. She's just so freaking arrogant and self centered that at times i want to cause her physical harm. She really makes me question my management skills because she is constantly pushing the lines. For example, she's schedule to work tomorrow from 8am to 5pm. i told my boss i may go in just to make sure she shows up on time, but i don't want to....
i don't understand where people of that age group get their work ethic. Before You start flaming me, i understand it's not EVERYBODY in that age group. Trust me, i'm a generation X person and everyone had horrible stuff to say about our work ethics as well, and it never applied to me.
i don't know if i really have a point to this or not. i'm just frustrated as hell....Any ideas, stories, suggestions, anything?
Thanks,
Kali



I've posted this before (under a similar post/response)...

There was a fellow a loooong time ago (paraphrase) who said....

"Kids today, it scares me to think that some day they'll take over the world. They dress so oddly, and they have their own language, which makes no sense to anyone but themselves...they have no understanding of politics...none whatsoever, they disrespect their elders on an ongoing basis....I'm fearful of our future...."

Guess who?

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 3/30/2008 5:56:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kali, you've posted before what you do, so I don't think that's any big secret.  The most likely profession this employee is in, is training to be a clinical social worker (or marriage/family therapist, or some sort of therapy). I wonder why she wanted to get into that profession in the first place, although it's mostly irrelevant to what is going on. The very first time she was 15 minutes late (let alone hours late or not showing up at all), would have been her first written warning. Then a second written warning. Then she's fired. Not showing up at all gets one written warning then a firing.

I'm thinking that having to scramble for a new job in order to have her supervision hours done will have more impact on her than anything else.  This isn't just about doing a good job, she impacts people's lives.  And apparently, at this point, she doesn't seem to care.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/2/2008 7:10:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the work ethic in this country has declined tremendously from when I started working at 16.  I have always worked.  I don't lay out of work.  I do my job no matter what type of job it is or how much I am being paid.
I see it all the time where I work.
I worked in a call center for 11.5 years until my health made forced  me out.  
It is all about the decline of work ethic.
I would say what I think about the new generations' morals but will decline.  Take a look at their role models, Brit, Paris, etc, and etc.  That should tell you something about them.
I have worked with very few youngsters that exhibit hope, but they are not there for the long haul.
I can understand why people feel this way.  The more we work, the less we have.  Why give a crap when a company will eventually close or lay you off?There is no job security or monetary rewards to look forward to anymore.
My hobby is work.   
 
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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/2/2008 7:24:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		OMG....this is totally a trip!  I work for a very small police department as a police dispatcher, and my supervisor is a whole ripe 25......I have been doing this job for 20 years, so there is a huge age gap.  The one time I tried to complain, yes, complain, about the quality of work, and the amount of work that the Gen Y'er's do, she actually pointed out the difference between the Gen X'er's and the Gen Y'ers.......that while their wok ethic wasn't as strong, studies showed that they are more family oriented and go to church more than us Gen Y'ers.....to which my response was WTF?????  Half of us at wrk are pulling 95% of the work duties there, but since our supervisor is a dreaded Gen X'er., that is never going to change.  The officers can't stand working with the 3 lazy dispatchers, yet management thinks there aren't any problems to be addressed.  My supervisor is as useless as tits on a boar hog, could care less about getting us the right equipment and computer access needed to do our job efficiently, yet she goes thru the communication logs for each shift to highlight "errors"....but since she's never really done the job, she has absolutely NO CLUE how to do it properly!

Oops. sorry, as you can see, it's a major sore spot....anyway, yes I agree wholeheartedly, the work ethic of today's culture SUCKS!!!!!!  They are lazy, do just what is needed to get by, have absolutely no initiative, will snatch credit for a job well done from anyone at the first opportunity they get.  They are sneaky and insidious little twerps who I'd love to knock their heads against the wall sometimes!  And judging by the 4 I work with, sadly enough, they don't even realize that the lousy employees that the X'ers are complaining about are them....they are totally oblivious!

OK..off the soapbox now.....if anyone ever figures out a way to fix this problem, please, pass it on!  Fortunately, my son has my work ethic, he's working for a dairy farmer, so I know he busts his butt every day....especially since his boss is his dad!  But he's always done the best job he can do.....but I think that comes from the fact that he loves his job....just like his mother does.  Alot of kids today seem to just float thru jobs, with no goals in mind.  They seem to think that they are owed everything just because they are there.

OK, I'm done now...I promise!

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/2/2008 7:33:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		SBFY.....this is NOT a flame or slam....but, that said......

Nothing personal, but if one more person says "it's a female thing" about female supervisors and subordinates, I'M going to do some physical harm!

Sex has nothing to do with this......Kali has a problem that is more and more common in the workplace today....it goes on with the Y'ers at my place of business.  I used to take a bus 2 hours one way to work, yet I was always on time...an hour early to be exact, because I didn't trust the buses!  The 3 Y'ers that I work with can't get to work on time to save their lives!  One X'er is just as bad!  They meander thru the door at the time that they are supposed to be planting their butts in the chair...then they have to get coffee/food, go to the bathroom, stop and chat......it's gone as long as 30 minutes into the next shift!

It is the lack of ethic in the younger generation...I've seen it as I've worked with more and more younger people.  When you stop and look at the parents of today's youth versus the parents of my youth, there is a huge disparity!

Kali, as far as advice....follow whatever departmental policy there is on this issue to the letter....follow the steps of progressive discipline, and fire her when the time comes.  Life is a bitch, and lowering your expectatins are only going to make it worse.  When she calls you a bitch, just do what I do...look her dead in the eyes and tell her she'd better smile when she says that, cuz I beat out a lot of worse ones to get the title!  Make sure she understands that the free ride is over, and its time to put on the big girl panties and grow up!

Good luck......you have my every sympathy!

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/2/2008 10:37:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well said soul2share.    Claps and hollers.
 
My boss is older than I am, and I cannot out work her.  She is 53.   There is something to be said about that.
 
Regards, MissSCD
 
Oh, and the new generation in my company has more sexual involvement going on,  Ya know?

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/2/2008 11:32:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		No kidding MissSCD....in my line of work, it's usually some badge lizard, (what we call cop groupies), that is simply there looking for a husband!  Us "old timers" know better....cops are dogs, and will fuck most any willing dispatcher that puts it out there!  And then proceed to tell everyone all about it, blow by blow!  Trust me, I heard it first hand from the cops who do it....and then the little girls wonder why they are treated like sluts by all of the cops! 

A long time ago, I adopted the rule of not dipping my pen in the company inkwell.....it has served me well over the years.  Work is NO place to pick up a husband, boyfriend or fuck buddy.....unless of course, you want every one to know about it!  While I've made jokes about handcuffs, whips and chains, no one really knows that I have some of my own! 

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/2/2008 12:17:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hours late or not showing up (not calling) = FIRED in my book.

Being habitually late - written up, talked to and given another chance...if not FIRED.

If she really was interested in the job she would be there on time. If you CARE about something you WILL show up on time, give good customer service to your co-workers and others that come into your place of business. My question to each employee would be: Why are you here? What do you expect and want to learn from this job? If all you want to do is collect pay you have no passion for what you do. Granted there are many that just come in and do their job and leave. There is no passion for it. To me that is sad. If you are happy with what you are doing you will care about yourself and others and give them the respect by being there on time etc.

To be continually late means that you don't give a rats patootie about yourself or anybody else so why be there?  If you are NOT putting true, honest effort into the job why waste everybody and your time? Move on and find something else.

Just my two cents..

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/2/2008 12:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having sex with dispatchers?  How professional on both sides. Getting it and then talking about it to others just shows the good old boys network has never grown up.. I  feel bad for the girlfriends,wives, male spouses of these idiots. Let's hope both sides do NOT get a STD etc. If there is a good old girls network i don't know. People gossip that's a fact doesn't matter what sex they are. I hope i didn't leave anybody out.

Take responsibility and don't have sex/affair with somebody at work. It comes back to haunt you.

I can't help but wonder if the generation of cops such as my Grandfather and his brother had more morals etc. than the bunch today.

Please don't flame me.  i am not saying i am better than anybody else but at some point we have to get back to what is right and responsible in our work ethics and our moral ethics. My parent taught me there ARE consequences for my actions and that has stayed with me forever til the day i die.

Everybody is now into the i am special.   i can do what i want and get away with what i please!

How do you train somebody to care when they are brought up that they don't have to answer to anybody about anything?  Nothing means anything, not another person's property, health or safety of others?

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/2/2008 1:16:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		First, you shouldnt blame yourself for her lack of work ethic. Second, if youve written her up and shes still not changing try a probationary move. Say three days, no pay, suspension.  Third, if she continues, and she will, because its a pattern, and its proven, that once you start missing work, it just keeps going, you convince yourself that you dont have to or want to be there...If it continues, she needs to be let go. But at the same time, that may be her goal, so that she can draw unemployment. If you have a employee policy try making sure that she has a copy of that, and make sure, before you let her go, that she has in some way violated that, as a means to cover the company so that she cant draw. I know people who do that all the time here...and its sad really, but thats what they do.  So make sure that your job, and the company are covered, by making it clear that she would be or is in violation of that policy.
Hope that helps.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/3/2008 6:55:45 AM   
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Everybody is now into the i am special.   i can do what i want and get away with what i please!


My favorite quote is "When everyone is special, no one is."

Being a Gen-Xer in the computer field, I have worked with Gen-Y, Baby Boomers and even some of the generation before.  What I've noticed is that every generation (in general) has a particular issue.  With many people of the older generations, they have had the opportunity to work through the issue so that it is not detrimental to the team.  With Gen-Xers, we are still learning.  Some of the Gen-Yers are just beginning to learn about how the world *really* works.

My boss had a very direct way of handling problems.  He provided you a document with all of your responsibilities and you signed it.  There were some things like "being on time" that were outlined as pre-requisites.  If you didn't meet your assigned responsibilities, you were placed on a Work Plan for a limited period of time (typically 3-6 months) with *realistic* goals that corresponded with your weaknesses.  If you couldn't complete all of the goals in the limited period of time, you were asked to seek employment elsewhere.

We lost a few people along the way, but he tried to bring them around and finally decided that if they weren't interested in improving to meet *minimum* standards, that he wasn't interested in employing them.

Several of those "lost" people went on to find better jobs doing something for which they were better suited.  That is a win-win situation!

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/3/2008 8:54:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		winterlight, unfortunately, I have seen first hand how lives are destroyed due to extramarital affairs.......while I've never really seen the statistics for the breakdown of the reasons of divorce with law enforcement personnel, I know infidelity has got to be pretty high on the list.  I hate to say it, but it's an occuaptional hazard.  I'm not sure what happened to the morals of the generations following mine, but there has definitely been a breakdown of them. 

Lack of parental guidance, parental responsibilty....it's hard to expect kids to be responsible when their parents aren't...thy are going to live what they learn.  When I see small children, 4 or 5 years old telling their parent(s) what they will do and won't do, it makes me just want to snatch them bald!  If my kid ever did that, he knew he'd still be spitting teeth!  (Figuratively, folks...no way do I condone any kind of abuse to a child!)  But there is something to be said for corporal punishment in small doses......even though I only really spanked my son once...and that was when I caught him trying to stick coins into a socket, and it was on the diaper, more noise than ouch!  My son just knew what his boundaries were, and the consequences of pushing them.......he is one of the few young adults that I know that will step up and take responsibilty for his mistakes, and decisions he's made so far in his short life.  Gets that from his mom......


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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/5/2008 5:00:48 AM   
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Lack of parental guidance, parental responsibilty....it's hard to expect kids to be responsible when their parents aren't...thy are going to live what they learn. When I see small children, 4 or 5 years old telling their parent(s) what they will do and won't do, it makes me just want to snatch them bald! If my kid ever did that, he knew he'd still be spitting teeth! (Figuratively, folks...no way do I condone any kind of abuse to a child!)


I don't do corporal punishment at all, but my girl is just three and every so often she tries to order us around. We tell her quite sternly that that is inappropriate.

We're there to be her authority figures, not her friends. She is free (and sometimes encouraged) to express her opinions, but it is made clear to her that she does not have deciding votes.

Sorry to stray from the main point, but I have never been a manager. I'd probably have fired her ass by now though.

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RE: Generation Y employees? - 4/5/2008 6:00:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I feel for you.  I'm teaching an undergraduate class this semester after several years of teaching graduate students and, boy, 20 something's are tough.  I don't think its a matter of generation but maturity and experience.  I've always said the 18-25 age group are the toughest audience imaginable.  They show no mercy and make you work.  I remember having similar attitudes when I was their age, though I rarely allowed those attitudes to manifest themselves behaviorially (my parents raised me up good lol).

I've used a combination of peerpressure and assertiveness to reign them in, and I did so over a period of several weeks.  I knew from student journals that I wasn't the only one frustrated, so I took some class time to explicitly discuss professionalism and respect.  Then, I began to identify and call out students on their problematic behavior, behavior that would get them into trouble later on down the road.  Gradually, a few other students followed my lead and eventually most of the students toed the line.  There were still a one or two who would not get with the program, so I reminded them that class participation was a third of their grade and explained how their behavior was going to affect their grade.  Basically, I had to create a framework that encouraged positive behavior.

Its been a challenge, but its given me a chance to excercise the full range of my teaching abilities.  Rarely have I needed to worry about classroom management so it was a real learning experience for me.

Anyway, I would suggest looking at this as a challenge and an opportunity to develop your managerial skills.  You'll be better for the experience.  :)



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