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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 2:06:14 AM   
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It's always good to hear other people's ideas and suggestions about these things.  No one method will work for everyone.  Personally, I don't happen to drink coffee, so I don't tend to think of places like Starbucks.  Yes, I realize they have other things, too, but why go somewhere that I wouldn't frequent anyway.

Which leads Me to what I do for first meets.  I usually set up something to coincide with a munch, demo, or event that I was already planning on attending.  That way, if there's no chemistry, there are plenty of other people to run interference if things aren't going well.  There's already a common interest for entertainment, so that's a definite plus.  Not to mention, I feel much safer in an settling where people know Me, than strangers who couldn't possible pick up the signal if I were distressed.


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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 2:31:46 AM   
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I usually go for a coffee shop - I'm a bit like Arrrchibald in checking out the eating habits! Cake and drink are fairly safe ... and as a Domme You can tease them by dropping a big blob of whipped cream on Your finger and erotically licking it off LMAO! Oh ... watch the boys squirm, especially if in Your emails/chats You've mentioned anything about them eating their own ...

OK fun aside, pick a coffee shop that will be easy enough to park near, will be reasonably well patronised at the time you choose, but where the tables are sufficiently distant from each other that people next door won't be tempted to listen in, finding your conversation more interesting than their own! (That happened once in the early days!). Also make sure it's easy to find ... subs (and Dom/mes!) in a frenzy aren't the best at reading maps or following complicated directions! If possible, make it one where it is easy and comfortable to wait outside to actually meet ... saves sitting all alone at a table nursing your cuppa for a long time if they are late. Also easier to spot the person ... they're the one looking right and left! It's not good to walk into a dimly lit cafe, eyes not adjusted yet from the bright sun ... and trying to search the tables for your person without looking like a private eye or a stalker ... only to find the only table free when they came in was that little one right at the back in the far corner which you didn't spot and so you sat down at the one at the front, then they confused the waitstaff by coming up to yours in hope that you are really you! It's also so much more obvious in a cafe that you don't know the person you are meeting by sight ... when you look at them ... wonder ... look on ... then come back to them to find them kinda squinting at you thinking maybe? All much less obvious outside!

I'm in 2 minds in terms of the anonymity thing ... yes it's nice to remain anonymous for your safety ... but as a Domme who is trying to persuade Her male subs that they should have a safe call in place ... what's the point if they have no specific information to give to the rescuer to know who to pursue if something goes wrong? I tend to play this according to how well I feel I know the person I am intending to meet. I usually at least give My mobile number so they can let Me know if they are running late or delayed in traffic, and I want theirs for the same reason. I tend to give more personal info eg full name, address, landline, so they can vet Me before coming to stay or for a play session.

All that said, sometimes people are travelling long distance to meet. A previous potential drove 4 hours ... Master and I arranged to meet her at the carpark of a big retailer which is about the first thing you see when you come into town. From there, she followed us into town where W/we all had a cuppa and a chat, before asking if she still felt OK with coming out to Our place. The sub I am currently talking to will fly here, We will collect him at the airport, and then similarly, probably take a drive through town and a stop for a cuppa or some shopping, a chance to chat a bit in a public setting. he's likely to stay at the local pub, at least for the first night, up to him then if he opts for the spare room instead.

Even when I lived in a city where munches are held and I attended them regularly, never had much success with getting someone to meet Me for the first time at a munch ... they felt that would be too overwhelming, and preferred to meet Me one on one first. Might be different if they weren't a total newbie to the scene.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

PS I don't drink coffee either but in Australia "coffee shop" or "having a coffee" is a general statement for "cafe, small eatery" and "having a non-alcoholic drink", which makes it much easier!

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 2:38:30 AM   
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Where i live people cannot just show up at munches, demos or other kinky events, folks have to be members already and have gone through an orientation.  However, setting up a meeting where, if things don't work out, you still have 'plan B' is a good idea.

i was once asked to meet a guy at a campground where he was camping for the weekend.  Remote, heavily wooded, off-season.  i told him let's meet at a nearby Waffle House and he replied that he was going camping not going to a restaurant.  my reply was "the headlines always read Human Remains Found by Hikers in Remote Campground...the headlines never read Human Remains Found Near Pie-Case at Dennys"  He called me a fake and i never heard another word.

Each meet, like the people involved, is individual.  i normally have a 'no play on first meet' rule but when InkedMaster and i finally met in person it was at the airport and play happened as soon as we got to His place. *grins*



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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 4:04:03 AM   
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The safest thing is to know someone very well before you meet. It is possible someone could create a phony existence, but I doubt it. You should know names, all about each other, phone numbers, addresses and many other things. If you can think of it, they should be willing to tell you. Seriously, getting to know someone after weeks of online and the phone give you a terrific feel about the person.

View a meeting as nothing more than a vanilla meeting. Don't attach some type of mysterious danger to the thing because you are into D/s..

Now, if I were trying to get to know someone quickly, I would not do a superficial coffee sitdown, I'd do something together. Go to a movie, a sporting event or a museum together where you spend hours in each other's company.

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 5:05:20 AM   
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I'd like to get an idea as to what others here consider good and safe practices to follow when considering meeting someone for the first time.



The rules I go by and I advise others to follow when they ask me are below:
1.       Have your Safe Call with you in that public place. If possible at the next table where they can overhear. Preferably someone you know can and will intervene if necessary.
2.       Meet in a public place that is NOT a park, not by the fountain, but instead is a restaurant, coffee house, etc. where your safe call can sit at the next table and not be hassled and where a scene will alert the manager to trouble. A Munch is also good, more people to vet the person and know who they are.
3.       Play. If you are going to play with someone on a first meeting (foolish, but hormones do get in the way of sense) then do it at a club or a place where you can have someone else present. Clubs are ideal as the person may not acknowledge a safe word, but the DM and patrons are going to enforce it. Play parties are also good.
4.       Don’t give out your home number, or address. You want to talk to that person, use a disposable prepaid phone until you get to know them in person and you are sure they are who they say they are. Be aware that they may be doing the same thing.
5.       Trust your instincts. I say this again Trust your Instincts. That gut feeling that something is wrong is coming from that little lizard hindbrain that yelled thousands of years ago, “get out of this tree, into that cave and bring that hot stuff with you..We is gonna get eaten out here.” It adds up things that the conscious mind does not. When it starts nudging you listen to it. Better safe than sorry.
6.       Take your own car. If you do not have a car, travel with your safe call, who should be there with you. Do not under any circumstances get into the persons car. You lose control of your safety if you do.

So what do you do if you are meeting out of town and you are the visitor?

Make connections, not with that person but with the people of the local munch or friends that people you know and trust, know. 6 Degrees does work.

Stay in a hotel, Yes I know they said you can stay with them, but you need a place to retreat to if things are not working out.

Have your own rental car. Use it. From the Airport. Remember about getting in cars with strangers? It applies to us adults to.

Have a return trip ticket. In hand, with changeable dates.

Trust your instincts. I say this again Trust your Instincts. That gut feeling that something is wrong is coming from that little lizard hindbrain that yelled thousands of years ago, “get out of this tree, into that cave and bring that hot stuff with you..We is gonna get eaten out here.” It adds up things that the conscious mind does not. When it starts nudging you listen to it. Better safe than sorry.

We all hope for that magic moment when we see “the One” who answers our dreams. But you have to make sure that you take care of you first as you learn whether that One is the Right One, or a Predator.

These are only suggestions but one thing I have found through a very long life..having someone close by is a lot safer than someone 6 miles and a phone call away if there is trouble. People have been kidnaped out of parks, out of parking lots and out of Malls. No one notices that knife or gun in the pocket of the person holding your arm and strolling out. Someone sitting at the next table acting as your safe call WILL notice if you get up and start to leave without giving a signal or look nervous.

As I said only suggestions, but they do work.

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 5:47:58 AM   
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We met online on IRC. We live 200 miles apart. We chatted for three weeks on IRC and in email. Had one brief ten minute phone call. We met at a hotel about 45 minutes from her house. No safe calls. Nobody even knew where she was, why she was there or who she was with. There was beer, bondage and sex in the course of the ensuing eight hours.

That was two and a half years ago and we're still going strong. She'll be arriving here this afternoon to do it all over again.

When I read these kind of threads I wonder where we went wrong. By everyone's else's estimations one of us should have left that hotel in a body bag.

I feel so cheated.



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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 6:08:23 AM   
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It works for some :) But there are predators who stalk these boards as well, just as they stalk myspace and facebook looking for other types of victims. The internet has done wonders to opening up a vista of relationship possibilities for people, where before we tended to be confined to our communities and could get an idea of who was safe or not if we hooked into the munches and clubs.  Sometimes we took risks and things worked out, sometimes they didn't or had catastophic results. Happens in vanilla meets as well and Date Rape is far more prevalent than Stranger Rape.

Master and I met at a different type of social gathering, spent most of the evening talking, and he came up to my place about a month later and spent the holiday weekend. The entire time he was there so was my Ex2b and a roommate. I have to give him kudos for being able to handle them being in the house. Takes a strong man to beat a woman with her spouse in the next room.

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 6:19:45 AM   
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About resturaunts-- when you are going to meet someone in her town and you are asking her for suggestions for resturaunts that are fairly close to the highway and easy to find, you might want to also tell her that you are a vegitarian-- it can help her from suggesting Applebees or Chilis as the best bets.  Just saying.........

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 6:43:52 AM   
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You were both lucky...as was I...


The point I am trying to make (and it's the same point I make every time this thread or a similar one pops up) is that you can do everything "wrong" on a first meet and have a great time just as you can explicitly follow all of the safety rules you read online and still end up in hot water. I know there are certainly people who have been protected by their pre-meet precautions, too.

I think people should put in place whatever measures they feel necessary to give them peace of mind but still be aware that peace of mind is not a safety guarantee. There is nothing wrong with a "better safe than sorry" approach to meeting new people as long as one understands that it is actually more like "better safer than sorry". It's discouraging to watch people get lulled into a false sense of security just because they crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's beforehand. If anyone thinks a dominant with a Ted Bundy fetish is gonna be hampered greatly by a few safe calls they are in for a rude awakening.


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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 8:09:41 AM   
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A chat over a tea and coffee. As much for comfort as safety.

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 8:22:45 AM   
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ok- worst blind date ever--We had chatted online for a couple weeks and talked on the phone twice before I agreed to meet with him- he picked me up at my work, then drove me straight to his aunts house. Where his family was having a christmas get together, a little over 100 members of his family were telling me how he talked about me all the time, whens the wedding etc.etc.--- apparently he had told them we had been "dating" quite awhile and never mentioned this was the first time he'd met me. I almost threw up in my mouth, that was of course the only way I could stop from fainting.... All I could think was what a sick freak this guy was, why in the world would some wierdo bring you home to meet the family, christmas eve no less ?! The creepy fucker sung christmas carols and drank egg nog like everything was going swimmingly. Something about that evil grin made me cringe and since they lived waaaayyy out in the desert if I man a run for it I had a feeling I wouldn't make it home alive. He was just toying with me and I almost asked his grandmother for a ride home because I was scared to get back in to the car with this man. My cell wasnt working out that far - no reception and the twilight zone night was just about over. so what did I do you ask? I agreed to marry him.

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 8:24:38 AM   
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so what did I do you ask? I agreed to marry him.



Did the eggnog swing it for you?

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 9:00:58 AM   
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I was asked once to speak about meeting people in the community both on and offline shortly after the whole SlaveMaster Scare, I was asked because I was young, I met most of the people I knew Online first and carried it to Offline and this is (Paraphrased for extreme brevity) the workshop I gave.

When you meet someone for the first time it is an exciting time and one that can be both at once Fun and Terrifying.

We have all heard the war stories of the Master who demanded the girl to give him head 20 minuets after meeting him, and the 19 year old submissive girl who turns out to be a 35 year old submissive male who hopes you won't notive or care after getting to know the "Real" Him. All jokes aside there are very real stories of Rape and Kidnapping and Whiteslavery that occur daily using this lifestyle as a smoke screen. I have met survivors, I have seen pictures, I have been reluctant to meet people out of fear.

But what is F.E.A.R.?

False
Expectations
Appearing
Real

It is okay for someone to say that your Fear is Irrational, but I believe it was a very scared man who said "Just Because I am Paronoid does NOT mean they AREN'T trying to hurt me." and this statement is VERY true.

So how do we address Fear? By Risk. Sure there is NO risk if you never meet anyone and I know many people who live by that law. But if you are like me and you aren't willing to spend the rest of your days behind a Keyboard or Telephone eating Cheetos then I suggest you learn to assess fear and analize risk.

Why am I afraid? Because I am afraid I will get hurt, They will rape me, They won't like me, they will find out that I lied, they will want something I am not willing to give, they will expect me to surrender right then and there, they will want me to go somewhere private with them, I won't be good enough for them, I won't be pretty enough, I'm not really sure that this lifestyle is REALLY what I want. I could go on ad infinitum.

So analize the RISK!! Do you know the following:

What are the persons expectations?
What is the purpose of meeting?
Why are you meeting in the first place?
Are you Ready to meet someone?
Are you Waiting for a reason?
Have you been COMPLETELY HONEST?

If you do not know the answer to all of these things then you have some work to do before you should AGREE to meet. Under NO circumstances should you agree to meet and then decide if you know the answers to all of these.

Once you know the answers to all of these. Now is the time to set the ground rules.

It is Important to Meet in a Public Place, however there are a few more things you should know about the place you choose or the place they are suggesting.

If you are able to do so before the meet Go there and check it out. Know you Options. How many exits, How busy is it, is there someone always watching the area, are the restrooms hidden and if they are is there an exit close to them, Is there a Pay Phone, if you were to start screaming could someone here you from the bathroom area. These are Protection issues knowing this will tell you if the location you are meeting at offeres enough options should things get ugly.

If you suggest a place here are a list of suggestions I make when I am meeting someone.

A Bar on Karaoke Night - I don't drink anything but soda on a first meet (I am a recovering alcoholic so I don't drink at all) I don't drink because I want to be attentive at all times and I don't want my intentions complramised.

A Put Put Golf or Mini Golf Place that has a Pizza Parlor or Cafe in it. - I want there to be Kids around so I am not inclined to discuss sexual concepts or get to physical or agressive. I want to set the pace of the evening by showing that we are NOT in a position to get hot and heavy.

A Comedy Show. - Laughter is a great way to relax and see if you share the same sence of humor, the down side is you spend an hour listening to someone else talk. But you get to decide if you are comfortable with the person you are trying to meet or if you are really interested in them at all.

A Carnival - Up side and a Down side on this one. The upside is there are LOTS of people around and usually LOTS of security and you have have a LOT of fun. Down side usually at a carnival no one is really paying attention to you or what you are doing they are usually zoned on having fun so there are cases of abduction from Carnivals but it allso gives you MANY Exits in case you decide to leave.

I always try to make meeting them an event. Something I am going to have fun doing anyway. That way if they don't show up I am in no means bummed I still get to Do Karaoke, or Put Put Golf, or a Comedy Show, or a Carnival. Also this sets the tone for the evening. We have plans so there is no awkward waiting after meeting where someone can suggest SEX or KINKY Play. You have things to do that take up your evening.

In closing I only offer a few things to follow.

If you aren't comfortable say so and walk away. DON'T APPOLOGISE just say, I'm not feeling this and then GO. This makes sure there is no scene I am sure you will get a nasty e-mail later but in the reply you can explain why you bolted.

Try REALLY hard not to do things you will regret before you meet. Ladies KEEP THE NUDES until AFTER you meet if you give them at all, and Gentlemen Keep the Bizzar Fantasies and pictures of your Penis until after you meet.

I understand the desire to extend the fantasy in the beginning when you are just getting to know one another but realize that what you E-mail today can be posted somewhere else tomorrow if they two of you don't gel.

Take Risk's everyone, just know how to do so responsibly.

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 9:04:24 AM   
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I'm sure you did not mean to "put words into my post" but inadvertantly, to me, you did.
Take me at the words you read. Do not add to them, please. When you do, it is your own thoughts invading, not my intended expression of my thoughts.

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WTFoolishness?  You don't want to hear other's opinion?  Why post on the board??

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 11:00:52 AM   
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ok- worst blind date ever--We had chatted online for a couple weeks and talked on the phone twice before I agreed to meet with him- he picked me up at my work, then drove me straight to his aunts house. Where his family was having a christmas get together, a little over 100 members of his family were telling me how he talked about me all the time, whens the wedding etc.etc.--- apparently he had told them we had been "dating" quite awhile and never mentioned this was the first time he'd met me. I almost threw up in my mouth, that was of course the only way I could stop from fainting.... All I could think was what a sick freak this guy was, why in the world would some wierdo bring you home to meet the family, christmas eve no less ?! The creepy fucker sung christmas carols and drank egg nog like everything was going swimmingly. Something about that evil grin made me cringe and since they lived waaaayyy out in the desert if I man a run for it I had a feeling I wouldn't make it home alive. He was just toying with me and I almost asked his grandmother for a ride home because I was scared to get back in to the car with this man. My cell wasnt working out that far - no reception and the twilight zone night was just about over. so what did I do you ask? I agreed to marry him.


That whole thing was hilarious including the ending. Yeah, this whole idea that we are different than vanillas meeting is silly.

Again, know the person well that you are going to meet. Get to know their thoughts, desires and morals for a few weeks and you'll know more than someone who asks the superficial questions that take an IQ of 80 to answer at Starbucks.

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 11:25:13 AM   
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My favorite place to meet is a bowling alley.  Not to bowl since I'm horrible.  There is a bar area to talk not get drunk.  The employees are very helpful if someone gets out of hand.  There are often families around.   Plenty of cars to keep your car from being identified.  I never promise to play at first meet but it has happened.  And yes, chellekitty, my little head had got the best of me - lol.  I have been lucky that all the stupid mistakes I made when new to the scene never got out of hand.  Also, I agree, with many others, listen to your instincts!

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 11:45:21 AM   
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My favorite place to meet is a bowling alley. 



I love meeting at a bowling alley...you get to watch them flex while picking up the bowling ball...you get to check out their backside when they bend over...how I appreciate a great view!


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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 12:36:41 PM   
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Now, if I were trying to get to know someone quickly, I would not do a superficial coffee sitdown, I'd do something together. Go to a movie, a sporting event or a museum together where you spend hours in each other's company.


I disagree with all but the museum. In a museum you can get an idea of their opinions and aesthetics  and artistic side. A movie or sporting event you are not focused on talking. I think a sit down with coffee is the least superficial of all. There is no alchohol to cloud your judgement and you are facing each other looking them in the eye and justtalking.

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 12:45:33 PM   
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*fast reply*

I had to laugh with some of the comments are starbucks. Thats my traditional first place meeting. Mostly because I *heart* starbucks, its public (theres always at least 3 staff and a handful of customers(, but its not a big investment of time. A cup of good coffee can last 10 minutes you dont want it to go any further, or an hour if things are going well.

Coffee shops in Barnes Nobles/Borders works. A 24/7 diner is great too, because if you do hit it off - noone really cares if you sit for a long while talking. Also the zoo...the mall (for a little bit. its hard to have real good conversation ...).

I also make sure that people know I have a safe call in place and that nooooo playing on the first meet. That tends to keep down more of the issues.

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RE: Ideas for first face to face meetings - 4/4/2008 1:11:06 PM   
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I prefer a place that is conducive for a face to cock meeting. A true meeting of the minds.


I let her choose a place that she is comfortable with....If she suggests a bowling alley or a nascar event there is a pretty good fuckin' chance I ain't showing!

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