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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/6/2008 5:04:00 PM

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Sometimes, in that capacity, the man lost his sense of appropriateness, and did some stupid, stupid things like the "in your face, Columbine!" rally one week after 13 students and a teacher died at the hands of mac 10 weilding nutcases, Harris and Klebold.

That's absolute horse manure bipoarber. Heston and the NRA never did such a thing. Michael Moore is a liar, and that never happened. I am getting tired of people that think that film and his others are the gospel. The man is a lying, fatass, piece of garbage. His films are absolute fiction. I laughed my ass of at his last film. An obese man should not be preaching about the current state of the healthcare system. He and others like him are part of the problem. Fuck him.

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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/6/2008 5:14:10 PM

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Ah, I adored Charlton Heston, and so many of his movies!
What a long and wonderful career, Charlton had.
I think Soylent Green has to be one of my favorites, he was indeed before his time.
I love the 10 Commandments, even though I rarely watch all 4 hours of it.
R.I.P. Charlton, "Mr. Moses", thank you for your movies.

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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/6/2008 5:25:00 PM

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There is a certain cut-to-the-chase meaning at work here.

Anyone, anywhere, has the right to comment on any issue they choose. There are however, issues that have global impact, and issues that don't.

Commentary on issues that do, fit nicely in to one category. Commentary on issues that don't, fit in to an entirely different one.

The former comes across as rational and reasonable. The latter, no matter how reasonable, balanced and rational one tries to be ... in the end you can't escape a bit of, "Why the fuck do you even care?" logic.

i couldn't have said it better myself......Brilliant! Pure gold......think i found my signature...
"Why the fuck do you even care?"

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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/6/2008 9:25:09 PM

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slaveboyforyou,

It's okay. You live where you do. You weren't there, you weren't at ground zero. You don't have people in your life who had kids at that school. You haven't been confronted with bullet ridden corpses of kids too young to drive. You didn't sign the pettitions to stop the NRA from coming in and rubbing people's faces in their death mongering. But, I do, I did, and I have.

You can deny what went down all you want. I lived through that event.At close range. I know two parents whose kid survived that massacre only because she disobeyed her parents and went to the mall for lunch. She lost four close friends that day. She, her parents, and several other friends, including my wife and myself, were all part of the candlight vigils, the funerals and a part of the protests that "Chuck" and the NRA orcs totally blew off.

Heston was a man who played Moses... not Moses himself. Ultimately, I don't blame Heston for his mistake. No doubt the fanatics in the organization talked him into using the grief and horror of the community as free publicity for their event, and their agenda.

After all, that's what actors are best at... letting other people put words in their mouths.

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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/6/2008 9:52:40 PM

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slaveboyforyou,

It's okay. You live where you do. You weren't there, you weren't at ground zero. You don't have people in your life who had kids at that school. You haven't been confronted with bullet ridden corpses of kids too young to drive. You didn't sign the pettitions to stop the NRA from coming in and rubbing people's faces in their death mongering. But, I do, I did, and I have.

You can deny what went down all you want. I lived through that event.At close range. I know two parents whose kid survived that massacre only because she disobeyed her parents and went to the mall for lunch. She lost four close friends that day. She, her parents, and several other friends, including my wife and myself, were all part of the candlight vigils, the funerals and a part of the protests that "Chuck" and the NRA orcs totally blew off.

Heston was a man who played Moses... not Moses himself. Ultimately, I don't blame Heston for his mistake. No doubt the fanatics in the organization talked him into using the grief and horror of the community as free publicity for their event, and their agenda.

After all, that's what actors are best at... letting other people put words in their mouths.

You live 2 counties over from me. That's where I live. I was in the NRA in 1999, and I know they only had their required meeting there. It wasn't a slap in the face to anyone. It was and is REQUIRED in the written rules of the organization. Just because a couple of fucktards decide to murder a bunch of people doesn't mean that we should live in a perpetual candle light vigil. It certainly isn't a reason for law abiding citizens to give up their rights to assembly and free speech.

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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/6/2008 10:19:34 PM

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i believe every American citizen of legal age without a felonious record should have the right to bear arms AFTER a longer waiting period than many currently have...and that said arms need not be military-style assault weapons

So what is a "military-style assult weapon"?

Just because a rifle looks like an M-16a2, or an AK-47 doesn't mean it actually IS one.

Seriously... if a rifle looks like an AK 47 but is really just an ordinary semi-automatic rifle, with the same fire power and any other normal 30cal. semi-automatic rifle that one would use for hunting or home protection, why shouldn't any "American citizen of legal age without a felonious record" be allowed to own one??? What if they made it look like a starfleet phase rifle???

I tell you what whould happen....

Liberal hand wringers would cry and protest that making a 30/06 rifle look like a starfleet phase rifle is marketing to children and demand that their State Assembly or Congress pass laws banning the sale of them.

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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/7/2008 5:32:19 AM

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slaveboyforyou,

Like I said, you can believe what you want. I know people stop being rational when they think their right to own a gun is being challenged. I forgive you for your obviously misplaced feelings on the subject.

Again, I'm a gun owner myself. I'm also very pro-gun saftey. The NRA is a group that I (unfortunately) have been a member of since I was 12. (My father bought my brother and I lifetime memberships for Christmas that year.) Back then, I was pretty hyped about it, but I now consider them to be an embarassment. Their extremist position is doing nothing to help their cause. The years that Heston (remember this is a thread about Heston?) was President were some of the worst, in terms of public relations. The actor needed a better writer.

I understand you hate Moore. That's okay. I don't care for him all that much either. But if he had outright lied about what went down, why hasn't the NRA taken him to court over it? Probably because they know that he has a team of people who do nothing but check facts. They don't say or do anything because it happened. They know they'd lose.

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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/7/2008 12:04:57 PM

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Heston was a great actor, when it came to playing Charlton Heston. He nailed that role perfectly, whether it was to portray Moses or the last man on earth, CH shone through all the layers of character and story, muscling aside nuance, even overcoming his costumes, to make sure the square jawed, macho hero had his day on the big screen.

What will we do without you Charlton? Oh right, Bruce Willis...

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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/7/2008 12:25:21 PM

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I must say, he was never one of my favourites. Terrible actor. But, in all fairness I think he was a product of his time.

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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/7/2008 1:29:24 PM

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He was old and a little nutso at the end. Never thought he was a great actor...Not by any stretch.

He defended the ACLU or was it the NRA?...What's the difference?

He was in a few good movies. Very few and by "good" I really mean "campy."

Probably was a decent guy...So long Chuck. RIP.

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RE: Charlton Heston dead at 84 - 4/7/2008 3:25:51 PM

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I still think my favorite bit with him was his cameo in one of the Waynes World movies. He played a mechanic. The first actor starts telling Meyers some sappy story, and Meyers stops the action, calling for a better actor. They put Heston in front of the camera, and delivers the same cornball lines, only tis time bringing Meyers to tears....

Yeah, how good CH was, really depended on the writer backing him up. I think that's why the Apes movies are some of his best work. You're not going to get better pithy dialouge than with Rod Serling.

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