DesFIP
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Joined: 11/25/2007 From: Apple County NY Status: offline
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster And what do you know about the so-called "Old Guard" You were still in diapers. Since you're not nearly old enough to have gone through WWII, so are you. And yeah, my knowledge of glory holes is that in NYC, they were heavily linked to gays in the preStonewall era, where cops still went about bashing gays and filling quotas for arrests that way. So am I what? What are you trying to say? I have a reasonable command of English, and I cannot figure out that you are mumbling about. Dunno if you have noticed, but I never claimed to have any knowledge of some group of people wandering around after WWII calling themselves "The Old Guard". If you have direct knowledge, I'm sure there are many people who would like to talk to you. What I DO know is what I saw when I went to bathhouses and bookstores and leather bars and discos in the 70s. I don't give a fuck what you have read somewhere on some website. I did what I did, I saw what I saw, and that's all there is to it. It's hardly likely you were in any of the bathhouses back then. Keep holding yourself out as some sort of authority, though. I'm sure you'll get someone to believe you. Read? No. Lived? Yes. Since you were in diapers when the gay leathermen came out of WWII and became the Old Guard, you have no more direct knowledge of them than I do. And no, I didn't hang out in gay bath houses in the late 60's and 70's, but in gay bars and dance clubs with all my friends from Fire Island Pines, many of whom were the original leathermen as well as bridge partners of my mother and who spoke freely about their lives. I grew up in a gay community before Stonewall. I was welcome in my teens at wild parties and told when the punch was spiked with acid to go home. Part of my various 'uncles' attempts to protect me was not to hide any of the exigencies of their lives because knowledge is power. I was given explicit details. Most of them are dead now and I mourn for them. And I'm still going out to the Pines every summer, which is where the FIP in my name comes from.
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