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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 6:17:10 AM   
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thank you MsC  ..exactly  i dont get the submissive feeling for someone that young ..i guess i just associate mistress with a older woman who has earned the right to call herself one over time ..25 maybe ...21 dont think so ..but every person is different in how mature they are and what their life experiences they have ..Ms Ladypact ..like some of your answers ..we do think alike in some matters  i have never posted on here using any other name ..everyone knows me by this name  oh ok and my smiles too ..a older woman just does it for me i guess and thats what i like ..her maturity ..her gracefullness ,,her understanding and playfullness ..love a lady in control and i just feel the older woman i relate too better since im older too  didnt mean to ruffle anyones feathers ..just thought i would ask the question ..have fun ..mal

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 8:21:07 AM   
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As is the case whenever age comes into play here:

Master or Mistress, like the collar, carry two meanings.  The first is personal, intimate, and defined solely by the two people who use the term.  My slave, at 23, has shown me she has sufficiant intelligence and maturity to understand what she means by the title Master, when she uses with me.  Then there is the public, social impact of the word Master or Mistress; meaning for one to 'be' an M, one must have somehow earned acceptance amongst their peers.  Horseshit.  In my view, the only person qualified to determine if I am a suitable slave owner, is the slave I own.  It is the very person who calls me Master who has sole authority to deem my ownership desirable enough to employ the title.  I don't ask other dominants, submissives, slaves, tops, bottoms, switches, cross dressers, or other perverts to validate my lifestyle, goals, or expectations whether they want to or not.  This isn't to say there isn't social value assigned to the word; rather, it illustrates that the title implies derives solely from within the relationship, not without.  I can own a slave at 18.  I might be a terrible slave owner at 18, but there's a chance that I might be a terrible slave owner at 50.  Age only mitigates that risk; what might be terrible for one relationship might be fantastic for another.  I also can't imagine anyone here claiming to be experts at slave ownership in the first year of their owning a slave.

Additionally, were I a 23 year old submissive, I'd much prefer to be owned by a 21 year old dominant who had been active in the lifestyle for the past three years, than a 35 year old who had been active for the same amount of time.  I understand there is a bias towards egalitarian relationships; the assumption being the older you are, the more you know, the more you can teach.  Yet D/s isn't strictly about being a teacher; it's one role of many.  A 50 year old man with Peter Pan syndrome who's finding pretty young 19 year olds aren't interested in him picks up a whip for a few years, and voila!  He expects nubile young girls to flock to him.  Such relationships, from where I sit, appear more predatory than complimentary.  Certainly, the girls in question are adults and responsible for their choices; I'm just expressing my concern with the focus on relationships where the D-type uses their vast age and experience as a lure for s-types who otherwise wouldn't give them the time of day.

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 8:53:33 AM   
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What they miss is that knowledge is not to be confused with wisdom.  A monkey can be taught to  swing a whip is given the proper amount of bananas.  But do they know WHY they are swinging the whip?  Acting on theory and text is not enough. 
 
Sorry kids.. there is such a thing as growing up too fast.  Unfortunately you will find that out too late.


Condescending comments like this speak volumes about the person who says them.


And knee jerk comments like yours underscores the truth of it.  but then.. it is expected of someone your age.
 
I was twenty myself once.. and knew everything.  Don't get upset.. just be advised.


Being 60 doesn't guarantee that one knows why they swing a whip either, being 20 doesn't mean they don't know why it swings; the whip swings both ways.  Starting to swing it at twenty drastically increases the chance one will learn why, by the age of 30.  Not that I know anything about being 30 or anything.

When you present your case as being right, based on the merits of your experience rather than your arguments, you illustrate exactly why experience doesn't equal knowledge.

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 9:52:38 AM   
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I don't really think any feathers were ruffled, mal.  Many of the people who have posted here have been able to disagree without being disagreeable.  Not everyone in a discussion has to have the same opinion.  If we can be open minded enough, we might actually learn some things about how different people come to their different opinions.

It's a perfectly fair question to ask, especially since it was one asked of our male counterparts.  Gender, in My opinion, doesn't change the answers.  We should be just as willing to apply the same standards to ourselves, as we do to a male Dominant.  If the question was valid there, it should be valid here, too.

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 10:09:15 AM   
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I will soon celebrate my 61 birthday and I believe that age and experience goes a long way however I am friends with some very young Dom's/Dommes that have their shit together...I must admit that some were mentored by Diane and myself..With this have been said I have seen a bunch of older Dom's that need a crash course in BDSM......It depends entirely on the individuals ,their experience and mindset,also their devotion to the lifestyle.....

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 4:24:43 PM   
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I will soon celebrate my 61 birthday and I believe that age and experience goes a long way however I am friends with some very young Dom's/Dommes that have their shit together...I must admit that some were mentored by Diane and myself..With this have been said I have seen a bunch of older Dom's that need a crash course in BDSM......It depends entirely on the individuals ,their experience and mindset,also their devotion to the lifestyle.....


Greetings Bounty.. and happy soon-to-be birthday! (mine's tomorrow)
 
Anyhow.. aside from the Pygmalion scenario with your trainees :).. what do you see in a young 'un as "having it together?  Other than them learning the mechanics of the play.. what qualities do you look for that makes a "good" Domme?





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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 5:39:35 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

I will soon celebrate my 61 birthday and I believe that age and experience goes a long way however I am friends with some very young Dom's/Dommes that have their shit together...I must admit that some were mentored by Diane and myself..With this have been said I have seen a bunch of older Dom's that need a crash course in BDSM......It depends entirely on the individuals ,their experience and mindset,also their devotion to the lifestyle.....


Greetings Bounty.. and happy soon-to-be birthday! (mine's tomorrow)
 
Anyhow.. aside from the Pygmalion scenario with your trainees :).. what do you see in a young 'un as "having it together?  Other than them learning the mechanics of the play.. what qualities do you look for that makes a "good" Domme?





my apologies for being rude: Chiming in with a response, although i realize the question was not directed at me.  and by the way, Happy Birthday, also.
      1. She appeals to my intellect, moreso than my loins.
      2. She is appreciative of me, perhaps as much as i am of Her.
      3. She can communicate what pleases Her effectively.
      4. She can communicate what displeases Her effectively.
  i am quite openminded to how that is displayed, and also believe that the mechanics involved can vary dramatically.
  The Young Lady, and Lady She was, that i described earlier came off as sensitive, intuitive, and caring.  She picked a great time to approach, as i had just left a relationship that i was trying to rebuild (unsuccessfully) with an Older Lady (Who also was quite a Lady as well).  She answered some pained questions that i had posted in my journal wisely and with reasonable and well thought out responses.  The snark, paranoid that sometimes lives in my soul said  "She cares, or She has a great marketing department or Her mind is built to be marketing."
    While i am often cynical, She impressed me with Her approach. Certainly enough for me to call Her whatever She wanted to be called.     

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 6:27:40 PM   
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I’m 23 and a Mistress, I own a slave and am very happy about where I am in life. Is age a factor? It all boils down to life experiences, maturity, experience, training, etc. I might be young but I’ve had events in life that required me to grow up quickly. While I openly admit that I’m not as experienced in things as some might be I’ve very open to be taught and to learn new things. Things that I do know I know how to do rather well. I’ve been in the lifestyle since about nineteen. The world is my oyster and I’ve just got to learn as much as I can and have the time of my life while doing so with pet on my leash by my side the whole way.~Lorelei


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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 8:24:54 PM   
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Thank you, Lorelei! 

We all have to start somewhere.  Yes, the young think they know everything---it's part of the openmindedness and energy of youth, which some of us could bear to remember, I think. 

Life experience is important, certainly, and none of us is the same person exactly as we were five or ten years ago.  Willingness to learn and move forward is an essential component of being in the scene on either side of the whip, IMO.  I've met my share of old timers who had no clue ten years ago, and haven't found it yet, because they're Old Guard, by cracky, and don't have a thing left to learn!  We can be grateful that they are often too snooty to teach!



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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 8:41:13 PM   
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I'm willing to learn something here.. my question to the young 'un is this (oh I can be open minded too.  I'm just not So open minded that you can hear the wind whistle through my ears) :
 
So many say they have had life experiences that caused them to grow up quickly and feel that is a good basis for when they delve into the BDSM world of  FemDom.  What type of experiences are you referring to?

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 9:30:52 PM   
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So many say they have had life experiences that caused them to grow up quickly and feel that is a good basis for when they delve into the BDSM world of  FemDom.  What type of experiences are you referring to?


LotusSong, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you truly are attempting to be open-minded here, despite what I've seen from you previously.  We all have our lapses in judgement -- it is part of being human, and for that, I forgive you.

When I talk about growing up quickly, I'm talking about gaining a certain sense of maturity that I feel most 20-year-olds (I'm referring to the ones who are more interested in drinking till they puke and blowing all of their cash on various accoutrements for their cars) lack.  Emotional maturity is key for submissives AND dominants, in my opinion.  A dominant must be able to stay in control of herself at all times, and confront situations as they come at her -- she should be responsible and mature enough to not react or punish out of anger, and also be strong enough so as to be something of a "rock" or "foundation," if you will, for her submissive.

So let's break it down by some of the common arguments I've seen.

First of all, financial situations.  It's true that most young people are not in the most wonderful place in the world, financially.  Part of this is due to the fact that many are still working on their degrees to unlock the "big bucks" someday, and some are legitimately bad at managing their money or choose to spend it on frivolous items instead of saving it up for life on their own.  Financial dominance is not really my cup of tea, though I do understand that there are some out there who prefer to be the ones in control of the household's money or to be the breadwinner -- this is not part of my boy's and my relationship dynamic, so I honestly believe that this argument does not entirely apply to me.  We are two parts of a whole, and those two parts are currently shoving their noses in books and working themselves as hard and as honestly as they can in order to bring home the proverbial bacon and financially maintain our household together.  Keep in mind that our plans for the future revolve around marriage, which I fully acknowledge cannot be said for all D/s relationships (and there is nothing wrong with that), so amidst all the kink, the boy and I try to also function on the basis of a regular relationship, many principles of which can be applied to a D/s relationship and vice versa.  To sum up this lovely chunk of text, we are two young people who are excellent at managing our money, never late on a bill payment, have a rather nice home to call our own, and still have money left over at the end of the month to eat to our hearts' content.

Being homeless when I was a teenager thanks to my mother's mismanagement of her own finances has also given me a real-world view of things -- if you are foolish with your money, if you rely completely on another person to put a roof over your head and pay for your food, then there is a very good chance you will end up in trouble and unable to support yourself, let alone do your part in a joint household.

Despite her financial woes (due in part to a fairly brief mental breakdown after the death of her brother, might I add, and also teaching me the importance of maintaining emotional control), my mother is also a dominant.  I discovered D/s thanks to the wonders of the Intarwebz on my own around age 12 or 13, but did not at that time fully understand it.  One day while wandering into my mother's office I noticed her in a chat room with some very familiar words, and blurted out "Mom, you know about BDSM?"  She about fell out of her chair.  After that day she sat me down and informed me that it was something I was much too young to worry about, and to come to her later in life, but NOT to let anyone skew my perspective of it before then.

Around age sixteen I found myself interested in boys, and more importantly, sex.  I had still been poking around on some sites after the rest of my family would go to bed (one of which was the Castle Realm -- I know, I know, har har, but it truly could have been much worse) and doing my own research.  The desires to implement these things I had been reading about were still running strong within me, so one morning I knocked on my mother's door and told her I was ready to have that discussion.

It lasted for several hours.  She never went into descriptions of toys or anything sexual like that, but instead explained to me the emotional and psychological side of D/s.  That submission was a gift, not to be toyed with.  That dominance was a responsibility.  That none of these things were to be taken lightly or exploited for selfish purposes.  And yes, before anyone asks, this was after she had recovered from her "incident."

So at an early age I had a firmer grasp on D/s than just "hahahaha I tied you up and stuck it in your butt, lick my boots."  Interestingly enough I started as a submissive, which I feel gave me a deeper insight into how a submissive's mind works, and gave me a good measuring stick as to what was pushing the limits.  To this day I still operate on the principle that if it is something I would absolutely never allow to be done to me regardless of the circumstances, I will not do it to my boy, nor expect him to allow me to.  I stick by safe, sane, and consensual.  If I do not feel that I'm in an emotional place that is healthy for me to be scening with my boy, I will pick up a book, curl up on the couch, and drown my sorrows in literature until I'm damn sure I've recovered.  So far my track record with acting too harshly out of emotion is a big fat goose-egg; I've never done it, and I am confident in my ability to handle my emotions appropriately.

Confidence was another part of the growing process for me that did not come right away, and I feel that this is why I adopted a submissive role to begin with.  As time went on and I became more comfortable in my own skin... underwent a few abusive relationships that taught me the hard way about ignoring red flags and warning signs... realized that I did not need to be in another person's grasp in order to exist, I became self-sufficient and self-confident.  The need to submit, for me, had faded away, and now I was feeling the urge to pick up the proverbial whip for myself.

As an aspiring domina I abhorred toys and props.  In my opinion, a good domina does not need any tangible objects with which to assert her dominance and power, simply the tone of her voice and the look in her eye (and of course, a proper and healthy mentality).  Furthermore, I was just plain uncomfortable using some of them, and couldn't bear the thought of accidentally hurting my boy or anyone else I might happen to be playing with.  Before I ever picked up a single toy I researched all that I could about safe usage.  I attended demonstrations by well-reputed members of my local community.  I even handed my boy, who has previously been dominant himself and has a wealth of experience in proper usage of accessories, a few of them and said "Here's your get-out-of-jail-free card.  Do this to me."  in the event that it involved a toy I had never used during my submissive days.

I also thought ahead enough to get my first aid certification renewed, just in case of emergency.  I've carried a CPR certification card in my wallet since I was fifteen and a Police Explorer.

I apologize that I've gotten off the topic at hand -- I tend to write in a stream-of-consciousness style and explore every possible angle so as to avoid any misunderstandings.

As far as my emotional maturity goes, and what may have caused me to develop that quickly... without getting into too many specifics, I did not have an easy childhood.  I was abused sexually, emotionally, mentally, and physically by my biological father.  I was an outcast at school because of my high IQ and discomfort in large groups, unwillingness to go along with the crowd without first thinking it through rather than following blindly because it was "cool," and honestly... I think they sensed that all was not well at home.  Children can be cruel.

When you are young, and have nowhere to turn for comfort... you learn to become self-sufficient in that respect.  School is no escape when you're beaten on the playground just as bad as you are at home.  There are no friends' houses to go to because you're the weird girl that no one likes.  In my case, even many of my teachers thought I was strange, and made it quite clear that I could not turn to them for help with my problems (I remember being pushed into a group of desks by the class bully so hard that my hip bruised to the point where I could not walk for a couple of days from the pain, and the teacher who watched it happen just scolded me, telling me that if I tried to fit in more, maybe these things wouldn't happen to me.), so I had no choice but to deal with things on my own.

A typical child would cry and pitch a fit; I would take a deep breath and go about finding ways to solve problems on my own, although I'm still never afraid to ask advice or questions, especially when it concerns my relationship with my boy.  The tools may be placed in front of you, but it's up to you to pick them up and make the right decision.

I dominate because the desire to do so resonates from deep within me.  I crave that trust, love, and respect that my boy and I have for each other, which is on a level that a vanilla relationship, from my experience, cannot even touch (even during my kinky years I had a few 'nilla relationships).  I am honored to accept his gift of submission to me, his gift of showing me his utmost vulnerability and deferrence, and in turn I am determined to protect him and guide him the best that I can through our life together.

Of course this entire argument is a moot point for me... I never call myself "Mistress," nor do I allow my boy to.  I hate that word with a passion.



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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 9:35:14 PM   
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Even if the question isn't posed in good faith, I'll answer it.

I was married at 19, a father at 20, a single father at 22.  I served in the Marines overseas for three years, and have lived half my adult life travelling outside of the US.  I've taught in a university, and cut grass to pay my bills.  I was 18 the first time I was with a female submissive, 21 when I attended my first play party, and have owned a slave for four years.

The problem with the position of experience is that ultimately it's one facet of a relationship.  It doesn't matter how old you are, you'll have something to learn.  As a society, we make generalizations about when someone is ready for a relationship or not.  That different cultures (indeed, different States in the US) set the age of conset at different ages is proof positive of how different people are ready for such relationships at different times.  Ultimately, Master/slave relationships are simply relationships.  You may certainly put a "you must be this tall to ride" sign on your bedroom door, and to some degree we all do this.  The age with which people choose to engage in M/s relationships is entirely the perogative of those involved.  Some will naturally take to such relationships at a young age, and some people won't regardless of age. 

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 9:44:45 PM   
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We talk frequently about how important it is to know one's self or to at least know what we want out of life. How can anything that helps us along that journey, not at least have some bearring on knowing and being this little part of who we are?

My experiences did not shape me, they helped me recognize and accept who I am at a younger age than most. I am scared internally and externally. And everytime I'm asked would I trade it I say yes. I would trade it a little to not know what I know and be the kid that parties til the world stops spinning. None that matters. Because I am who I am...right?

As for the "why" as opposed to the "how"...as a good TOP...a damned good top if you ask the women I beat (including the Lady in Charge)...I hit them because I like it. Because I am a sadist. Because my dick gets hard and it makes me want to have sex. I hit them for the same reasons I have sex with them. Because I like them enough and enjoy their company enough to do fun things. Don't go searching for some deeper bullshit reason as to why being a top has to be significant. It doesn't....have to be that is. And if it is for you great! Don't think someone's self imposed "importance" is going to even touch my world beyond idea. And really that's what counts right? How it touches my world.

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 10:03:59 PM   
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Even if the question isn't posed in good faith, I'll answer it.


 
Oh, for Pete's sake Stephann.. I thought you might think of a better opening line than that!  
 
No, really, I sincerely wondered what the youth of today go though that lead them to dominance.  I have no intention of commenting on anyone's experiences that are listed here.. I'm just reading and thinking.    My opinion is no one's business.

So give me a break..huh?

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/10/2008 10:43:13 PM   
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LS,

Your earlier posts in this thread led me to believe that you weren't being sincere, though the question you posed is an excellent one which is why I tried to tackle it.

At 31, I'm still 15 years junior to the median age at my local dungeon.  I enjoy learning from folks wherever I can.  I distinctly remember bringing a young submissive with me two months back, and it was her first visit to a public BDSM function.  We were in the kitchen talking in a group, when an older fellow came over, and started talking down to her, explaining that in his vast 35 years, he's learned that you need to (insert bullshit here.)  Bless her heart, j listened patiently, smiled, and was pleasent until he'd finished and we could move on.  Later, she told me that he completely creeped her out.

It's one thing for someone experienced to share those experiences with those who seek it out; quite another for a person with experience to attempt to portray the Old Ways As Practiced By the Ancient and Wise as the only acceptable form of relationship.

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/11/2008 6:20:10 AM   
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Don't feel bad.  My opening lines aren't always that great either.

I wanted to come back in and say thanks to those who were willing to share parts of themselves here.  It's a credit to those willing to do so, and I want to say the posts seemed very open in relating personal histories.

I hope I'm not digging Myself and My view a deeper grave here, but I wanted to throw out a couple of things Myself.  One of those being that I've never said that a person couldn't be a good Dominant, or even be well on their way to being a Mistress at 21.  As LadyH said above.  We all start somewhere.  Another good point that she made is that none of us are where we were five years ago or ten years ago.  I can tell you that, sitting here, I certainly don't feel that I'm the same as I was five years ago.  Even in that short span of time, I know there have been changes.  I'd hope to think some of them were for the better.  In five years more, I hope I'll make more improvements to Myself, and be farther along on the journey than I am today.  If that's the case, it stands to reason that I'll be a better Mistress five years from now, than I am today, and so will you.  (Ok, Stephann, except for you, unless you'd prefer to switch titles.)  The same goes to saying that I'm a better Mistress today than I was five years ago, and so are you.

Don't take that to mean that I think five years is the 'magic' number.  I just happened to use that because it was mentioned earlier.  I was always Dominant.  I learned to Top.  Becoming a Mistress was more like something that evolved.  It's a hard process to explain.  Still, I know it's different than five years ago.

Edited to add:  Btw, jen, I might just make that offer good at SELF, but I'll settle for a handshake, rather than a bite.


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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/11/2008 8:00:17 AM   
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Hiya LP,

I totally understand where you're coming from.  My only issue (even if I'll never be a Mistress ) is that mystifying titles has nothing to do with relationship mechanics.  I don't think of myself as a better man because I own a slave; my slave may think of me as a great man, but that's not the reason that I own her.  I own her, because she makes me happy.  In it's essence, this is the very purpose of having any relationship.  To assert that one must attain a specific milestone or marker to have 'earned' the title Mistress/Master from the community degrades the true purpose of the word; to allow the submissive who uses it to show the respect they have for their owner, be that owner 18 or 80.

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/11/2008 8:18:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
In five years more, I hope I'll make more improvements to Myself, and be farther along on the journey than I am today.  If that's the case, it stands to reason that I'll be a better Mistress five years from now, than I am today, and so will you.


Wait wait wait.... there are people who don't see a need for continued self improvement?  What the Hell?

Good lord, almost everything gets better with age.


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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/11/2008 10:58:43 AM   
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women do get better with age i believe  they get more kinkier  playfull  horny  and even better looking too i think ...not so many nos on their menus too because it seems as they get older they get more liberal as they feel the need to discover their sexuality  and share that with other people in their lifes  whether as a dom /top or as a submissive or a bottom  younger women make great eye candy but with me being 50 now i will take a older woman anyday now  love all women but for me the 30-55 year old woman are the best  have fun mal

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RE: how can a 21 year old woman call herself a mistress ? - 4/11/2008 12:31:32 PM   
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women do get better with age i believe - they get more kinkier - playfull - horny - and even better looking too i think... not so many nos on their menus too because it seems as they get older they get more liberal as they feel the need to discover their sexuality - and share that with other people in their lifes - whether as a dom /top or as a submissive or a bottom - younger women make great eye candy but with me being 50 now i will take a older woman anyday now - love all women but for me the 30-55 year old woman are the best - have fun mal


I'm not sure whether you realize this or not, but your thoughts come across in a way that is somewhat offensive and perhaps unintended.  It makes sense that you feel a kinship with women similar to you in age because it's more likely they have shared some of your life experiences.  None-the-less, I see little value in a thread that purports the ideology of older women being better, more attractive, more open minded, etc. than younger women.  For starters, this is bullshit.  Women (and more specifically people) are interesting and attractive at many ages.  More to the point, this thinking has an elitist, "once you grow up, you'll be a real women" mentality that myself and others find offensive.  I just thought I'd let you know how this is coming across.  A less misunderstood, potentially more positive approach might be celebrating all the things about your Domina that you find attractive (including her experience and values).  Small misunderstandings aside however, I enjoyed your thoughts and hope you continue contributing to the forums in this way.

Sidenote:  Microsoft Word removed the smileys when I quoted you.  Despite the fact we mere users often criticize Orwellian Bill's grasp of the computer industry, occasionally he does us all a favour.

Elan.

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