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lronitulstahp -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 2:05:49 PM)
WWDWDD? [;)]Where do i put in an order for the keychain???

MastrVran -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 3:06:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lateralist1 There is a difference between helping someone to learn the process of making good decisions and making those decisions for them. The first enables the second disables. Nicely generalized. Ok...lets consider what was said, the person involved makes the wrong decisions. Now...they arent 5...they are in their 20's 30's 40's...or so...they have been making decisions, often wrong, for many years. You sit them down...walk them through a scenario and say what would you do, they give a horrible answer. You then explain why its bad, how they should have handled it, what the bad things would have been. Later they have that same things come up and...come on...you can say it with me...make the same mistaken decision. Repeat this till it sinks in. For what ever reason, they want or need guidence. Even from someone who will hurt them. I could recommend they see a shrink. In 5 years of psycho therapy maybe they will be cured. Or I could start trying to be the one they ask for guidance, and hopefully keep them from being used and hurt as they have been. Not everyone will learn some things. Maybe they dont want to, maybe they feel they cant. Who knows. But cute sayings like yours do not address all people. And some in this lifestyle arent submissive by choice, they are because thats simply their mental state. Nothing wrong with it, but they are walking victims unless someone helps them. And you never stop trying to get them to make better decisions but at the same time you have to watch out for them because you know they wont make the right choices. (Oh and by right choices I dont mean the ones that work best for me. I mean ones that keep them safe, unraped, out of the hospital, with a chance at a decent life.) MV

darchChylde -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 3:15:03 PM)
Ma'am protects me from sexy midgets covered in sweets. WAIT A SECOND!!! That's not right, She assaults me with them. Someone protect me from Her. ROFLMAO

Macslittleimp -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 3:16:58 PM)
There is no protection for you sweets hehehe

LaTigresse -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 3:24:55 PM)
All I have to say after reading this mess is A. Thank god the general population of CM is smart enough to realize all female dominants are not the same.......whew! B. Any grown adult that cannot make intelligent choices for their own life, better not think about coming near me. If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, sit your ass down, shut up, watch listen and learn! You make some mistakes, do some stupid shit, say some stupid shit, get called on it. You either get a bug up your ass or you realize they are right. And guess what........YOU LEARN!! This BDSM stuff isn't any more complex than any other part of life. If you need someone to hold your hand through the supermarket, when going to buy groceries, you've got bigger problems than any UberSuperCool dominant protector can help you with.

ShaktiSama -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 3:28:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MastrVran Ok...I will toss in my viewpoint. Over the years I have been in this lifestyle, I know many, that are submissive to some extent and in some areas, and have little or no need for any real protection, online or in real. Then as some have said, they actually do have problems, with making wise decisions about certain aspects of their lives. Others need help monitoring there own actions because for what ever reason, they seem to almost always be submissive and have a hard time saying no. For them having the easy out of, "I cant talk to you or obey you unless my protector says its ok" helps keep them safe. Is that kind of protection reasonable for most people? Heck no. Nor is it needed, wanted nor would it be appreciated at all. Then as some have mentioned you have the person who is your safe call, will come get you when you are drunk and cant drive, or any of a number of real life useful situations develope, like please come bail me out of jail for this traffic stop, and they are there or will be when called. The real problem as most have described, is the guy who out of the blue without knowing anything about you, wants to protect you. He can't have a clue of what protections you might need, if any. So yeah, protection from someone like him is what you really need protection from. Over the years I have even on occasion been an online protector lol. And no, I cant really do a tremendous amount as such, but I can be a sounding board, help guide someone with issues in a better direction, since not everyone is able to make wise choices and those that know they cant, really do need some help. For those of you who are sure you and everyone else is as capable as you are, I am sorry, you are wrong. Some people simply, for what ever reason, constantly make bad choices. And no, its not my responsibility to fix them. But should I choose to help them, then it does become my responsibility to do so as best I can. MV Thanks for posting. This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Maybe some people will find it a little easier to listen if the words come from a man. [;)]

ShaktiSama -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 3:30:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NakedOnMyChain Sheesh! Even their Wangs get capitalized? I'm going to have to get me one of those. meant in all silliness [:D] Indeed. Some of these guys need their own zip code.

MastrVran -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 3:47:41 PM)
Anything is possible. I am not holding my breath. Most people have an obvious agenda. Heck, I know I do. But just because some people want everyone to be smart enough to do the right thing doesnt mean everyone is or will. And there is nothing wrong with needing or wanting help and being willing to ask for it or accept it. Isnt that at its core a big part of submission, wanting someone else to make the decisions for you. To take charge, to allow someone else the control? Why then do so many on here try to make someone who needs that seem bad? Oh well...to each their own. Me...I dont mind being in charge. Responsibility comes with it, and I can accept that too. MV

SteelofUtah -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 3:53:25 PM)
I no longer eat Taco Bell and so I protect andi from the Nasty Gasses that can be produced in a Nocturnal State. I protect her from my Stinky Kisses. Steel [8\|]

CalifChick -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 4:34:44 PM)
So I'm thinking "Dominants with Dicks" is better than "Dicks with Dominance"? I just want to make sure I get my keychain order correct. Cali

MastrVran -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 4:41:10 PM)
Usually a Dominant with a Dick is better than some Dick who thinks he is Dominant. But some people might disagree. MV

domiguy -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 5:18:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama I'm not going to reply to any one person, just re-iterate a few of my real points, because I think they've been obscured by domiguy's Straw Man bs. A lot of male dominants in this thread apparently cannot imagine having any friendship or desire to look out for a person they do not personally own. That's fine, I guess--takes all kinds to make a world--and so long as you and your own subs are happy, I have no beef with you. However, not all dominants feel this way; some of us are more than capable of being friends with people we do not own. It's not the same investment you make in your own submissive, but it's not nothing either, and it doesn't have to be demonized as some sort of Great Conspiracy to Make Femme Subs Pathetic, or whatever the hell the rationale here is. Personally, I think people who have no one to talk to and no one to call on when they need help are a helluva lot more pathetic than people who do. "Isolated" does not necessarily equal "strong". This is the difference between you and me...I will help those that need it. Not continually. I will not be a crutch. You talk about " a lot of male dominants in this thread apparently cannot imagine having any friendship or desire to look out for a person they do not personally own." Maybe you are not that smart or maybe you cannot help but continue to utilize a "poor choice" of words. I'm sure that there are many people like myself that have a great deal of friends or acquaintances...I "own" none of them...Probably just a poor choice of words on your part. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here. But I am beginning to see a trend. I will look out after friends...I might help someone that I do not even know. I have given assistance and shelter to those in need. I have been on the receiving end of help from my friends as well. It is never continual. It is always a momentary thing. I cannot help you if you are unable to help yourself. In fact if you are so inept that you are unable to stay out of your own way...You will inevitably end up getting in mine. Go away. You talk about people being isolated....Being able to stand on your own to feet is a sign of strength...Being able to make your own decisions is a sign of strenth. Not only is it important to be able to make your own decisions it is equally important to have to live with the consequences that result from those actions. We are not talking about children here. Making decisions is part of the process of maturation and to gain experience and a belief in your own abilities. At no time did I see anyone mention "isolating" anyone.... If you are in a relationship where you are isolated and you are not "digging" it...Get the fuck out. What you suggested was that it is important for some weak ass sub to find someone like yourself or else there might be ramifications. quote: ShaktiSama Primary: non-consensual kidnapping, rape, abuse and murder. Secondary: being more subtly victimized by those who manipulate, deceive, and mislead newcomers to the scene or newcomers to their submission about issues as diverse as their basic rights as submissives or simple play safety. Tertiary: commonly suffered mood swings and errors in judgment called "sub drop" and "submissive frenzy", which can cause some submissives to make irrational or self-destructive decisions while in the throes of their submissive passions. Having objective, non-submissive third parties to serve as a wall to bounce ideas, plans and incidents off can sometimes be a very good thing. It's amazes me that not every single sub has been killed by cougars. With the wisdom that you exhibit I wouldn't trust you to tie my shoes. If this doesn't sit well with you...Read Lat' response.... quote: LaT A. Thank god the general population of CM is smart enough to realize all female dominants are not the same.......whew! B. Any grown adult that cannot make intelligent choices for their own life, better not think about coming near me. If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, sit your ass down, shut up, watch listen and learn! You make some mistakes, do some stupid shit, say some stupid shit, get called on it. You either get a bug up your ass or you realize they are right. And guess what........YOU LEARN!! This BDSM stuff isn't any more complex than any other part of life. If you need someone to hold your hand through the supermarket, when going to buy groceries, you've got bigger problems than any UberSuperCool dominant protector can help you with. I personally think you are a danger....I have never understood those who feel that they should be the ones to invade someone's life with their own brand of wisdom....In most cases I have found these dogooders lives to be fucked up beyond repair. True walking disasters. They come in the male variety as well as those sporting gashes. The term gashes was thrown in just for the Hell of it...I do have a reputation to keep up.

Poetryinpain -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 5:26:07 PM)
~fr~ Way back in the Good Olde Days, a maiden was under the protection of a gentleman. This was a man to whom she might in time get married - or not. The gentleman stood in lieu of her father (usually the father was dead) in protecting her (and sometimes her mother and younger siblings) from creditors and predatory males with nefarious intentions. Sometimes the father or older brother had arranged the protection; sometimes the gentleman arranged it himself out of a feeling of noblesse oblige. If the gentleman did not marry the maiden he might arrange a good marriage for her. This has been the basis for many a historical romance novel. At my age, I doubt I need that kind of protection. But I can see the value of it for some young subs who are unsure of themselves in this world. I worry, though, that those offering "protection" online may be the very nefarious individuals from whom the subs need to be protected. Not saying all are that way, but I am suspicious. pip, sadly cynical at times

CalifChick -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 5:28:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MastrVran Usually a Dominant with a Dick is better than some Dick who thinks he is Dominant. But some people might disagree. MV I just gotta tell ya, when I see your initials, MV, I think of a term we use on another site I belong to. On that site, MV stands for "magic vagina". It's what women control their husbands with, well, according to the mother-in-law anyway. Cali

ShaktiSama -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 5:34:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael I don't have to search anything, your sexist bullshit is clear as a bell. Sure. That's why it's always ME who addresses a male dominant first, and always ME who starts calling names and pulling hair, and always ME who has to bring in two or three other femme dommes to help me sling dung and paint YOU black, right? Just exactly like what happened in this thread? shakes her head in disgust Face it; there are some male dominants who have been on my butt like a dirty diaper from the git-go on these forums. Domiguy in particular always addresses me first in any thread where we butt heads, always leads with attempted belitlement, insults and complete refusal to understand any point I'm making, and always in general comes across as a complete cock. You, I have never spoken to before in my life. I know damn well that I have done nothing to merit your attitude, however, and your projecting your anger and hostility onto me does you no credit. You were the one who bit MY ass first, princess--not vice versa. So if you don't like getting bitten back--sink your teeth into someone else's tush next time. I am a feminist, not a sexist. If you don't know the difference, that's your problem--I won't make it mine. Yes, you all can certainly cyberstalk me from thread to thread if you like, and try your damnedest to re-write my posts to paint me as some sort of man-hater or a man-basher. But the truth of the matter is that you gentlemen always set the tone of these exchanges, just as you always initiate them. By the by, since you seem to have forgotten--this is a general forum, and I don't need your permission or approval to post here. No one does. So how about you stop trying to crack the whip, give orders, and control people who aren't your property? Some of us don't care for it.

CalifChick -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 5:37:27 PM)
Am I the only one thinking they should just get a room and fuck already? [sm=duel.gif] [sm=slappy.gif] Cali

KnightofMists -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 5:38:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama Face it; there are some male dominants who have been on my butt like a dirty diaper from the git-go on these forums. Domiguy in particular always addresses me first in any thread where we butt heads, always leads with attempted belitlement, insults and complete refusal to understand any point I'm making, and always in general comes across as a complete cock. really????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! mmmmmmmmmmmm I don't think or recall taking notice of you before......

marieToo -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 6:15:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CalifChick Am I the only one thinking they should just get a room and fuck already? [sm=duel.gif] [sm=slappy.gif] Cali Wonder which one of them is gonna be the female.

MastrVran -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 6:25:06 PM)
Well I have been accused of making a vagina feel magically orgasmic. So in some way perhaps that would work. The control part is way off...but thats ok lol. Though I have always used vaginas more to control the sub/slaves. Pleasure is a strong motivator usually. MV

ShaktiSama -> RE: What exactly are Dom's protecting us from? (4/16/2008 6:26:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy This is the difference between you and me...I will help those that need it. shrug Then there is no difference between you and me, babydoll. I never said that help should be thrust upon people who don't need it, or even offered to those who don't appreciate it. I have no idea where you're getting all this shite--you honestly seem to be talking to someone who exists only in your head. I haven't said HALF the shite you think you hear!

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