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choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 1:18:33 AM   
goodpuddles


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Status: offline 		puddles knows.. this is just a posting on the internet and lots of information to consume.. but how safe is choking? puddles understands there are risks associated, and that it's a bit of edge play, but exactly how dangerous is this activity?

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 1:25:00 AM   
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  this color is probably also not good juujuu.

Seriously, hanging used to be a pretty common way of killing people off. I'd say it's pretty dangerous if you just start grabbing people around the throat. I've got a rant about different things  like that buried somewhere in my collarme journal if you feel like reading through it.

I've had everything from just a hand, to a rope noose, to wire used on me before. Safe? No. Don't be a retard when you do this kind of stuff.  Know what you are doing, know your partners limits if you are the top, and you better fricking be able to know where all the major veins and arteries are in there. The windpipes obvious enough, I suppose, but you never know with some people.

Use common sense. -.- Best rule ever.

*Edit*  I have a tendency to get tiny bruises around my eyes after a heavy session of this. Something to watch out for.


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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 2:42:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: goodpuddles

puddles understands there are risks associated, and that it's a bit of edge play, but exactly how dangerous is this activity?


In my opinion, when the risks = death then it's more than just a bit of edge play, it IS edge play.  How dangerous?  As dangerous as any activity where an 'ooops' could result in death or permanent brain damage.  Yes, there are people who engage in this activity and are here to tell about it.  i suspect those for whom it didn't work out so well aren't here to speak about their bad experience.

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 2:53:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Done wrong its deadly. Is that dangerous enough? Actually, done -really- wrong it leaves you a vegetable for the rest of your life eating through tubes with someone else wiping your ass for you for the next 70 years. Done -right- it still makes you stupid, quite literally. Oxygen deprivation kills brain cells.

There is absolutely no safe way to do any form of breath play beyond simply ordering someone to hold their breath.

Assuming that you're defining 'choking' as literal hands/objects-around-neck, you run the risk of facial petechiae, ruptured blood vessels in the eyes, windpipe collapse, aspirating your own vomit, brain aneurysms, strokes, blindness, sudden cardiac arrest and of course death...just to name a few.

Do any of the above stop people from this activity? Nope. Certainly doesn't stop me. Know the risks. Know your partner. If it sounds like their idea has a more-than-reasonable chance of going sideways, tell them to get f*cked. Be absolutely ruthless about your own safety, and never ever let anyone talk you into something that makes the little warning bells in the back of your head chime.

Edited for bad 5am grammar.

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 3:07:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

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ORIGINAL: goodpuddles

puddles understands there are risks associated, and that it's a bit of edge play, but exactly how dangerous is this activity?

i suspect those for whom it didn't work out so well aren't here to speak about their bad experience.


Thankfully, some of us lived to tell the tale, and will on request.

Then again, how does the saying go? "There are old breath players, there are dumb breath players, but there are no old, dumb breathplayers?"

...or something like that.


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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 4:30:50 AM   
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 We use to do choking scenes, definitely hot, definitely a turn on, definitely one of the deadliest games we played, here's why.
 
We all have plaque in our body, when you do choking or strangulation you not only cut off the persons breath but compress together the blood vessels where the plaque happily lives. Plaque sticks, and there may be a time when it does not unstick, constricting the blood vessel which can cause death. Nobody can predict when this will happen, in fact you can do choking and strangulation play for years with no ill effects, and then one day the build up of plaque is sufficient to stay stuck...and Bob's your Uncle your dead.
 
Plus the whole choking you until you are oxygen deprived, which can leave you in a vegetative state or dead. Erotic asphyxiation is a known killer.
 
 Once in a blue moon he decides that he can carry the weight for my death ( meaning he can do the prison time) and he will strangle me, it is his decision and it does add that extra delicious fear element.
 
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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 6:02:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz
Seriously, hanging used to be a pretty common way of killing people off.


Hanging offed people by breaking their necks - when done properly. The only time people were choked to death by hanging was when the hangman didn't have his act together.

To the OP: I enjoy breath play but I personally don't do choking for a couple of reasons. I'm concerned that I might damage something via the mechanical pressure I place on the neck. I also don't like the fact that choking cuts off blood flow in the neck, which is something different again from cutting off the air supply. Even though I know she digs it, I don't do it because I am not comfortable with it. Different types of breath play have different risks.



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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 6:05:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		OMG...choking is dangerous???? 
Who woulda thunk it.

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 6:40:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jay Wiseman says that true choking is inherently dangerous and the risks can never be eliminated. Now we don't play like that. He doesn't get off seeing me panic for lack of air or enjoy me passing out. The harder you play, the closer to the edge you go, the more risk of death exists.

However even just grabbing someone by the throat wrong is dangerous. If the windpipe gets crushed, you have four minutes to do an emergency tracheotomy. Not enough time for the EMTs to get there. Do I think he could stick a hole in my throat with a penknife and insert some sort of rigid tube in that time? No, it would take more than that just to find a suitable rigid tube. Plus you have to know what you're doing to get the hole and tube in the right place.

A lot of time he just rests his hand on my throat. Since he's got big hands, he can half encircle it. Or  he covers my mouth and nose, and lets me breath only from his mouth. That's very intimate.

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 6:49:58 AM   
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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 6:50:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Plaque sticks, and there may be a time when it does not unstick, constricting the blood vessel which can cause death. Nobody can predict when this will happen, in fact you can do choking and strangulation play for years with no ill effects, and then one day the build up of plaque is sufficient to stay stuck...and Bob's your Uncle your dead.

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DavidsGem Once in a blue moon he decides that he can carry the weight for my death ( meaning he can do the prison time) and he will strangle me, it is his decision and it does add that extra delicious fear element.
 
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That is us too, we know it is russian roulette, when Lee teaches about it at events, he will tell the story about a time that he played with someone, where the going in and out of conciousness part lasted for several hours because it can have a delayed effect. So folks should know that just because the person comes back, they still need to be watched and monitored...very scary.

The reality is there is simply no safe way to do it.

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 7:42:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz
I have a tendency to get tiny bruises around my eyes after a heavy session of this. Something to watch out for.


It's called petechial hemorrage (pa-TEEK-ee-ul).  You can get them from coughing very hard, from holding your breath during orgasm (a habit I'm having a hard time breaking, so it's like a flashing neon sign on my face that I've had sex), or from some outside method of cutting off your oxygen (choking, smothering, etc). Coroners look for petechial hemorrage when determining cause of death.

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 7:54:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		My concern is more about the whole heart stopping thing via hands around neck choking individual. How common is that side effect?

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 8:00:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find your use of the term "side effect" interesting.  Heart stopping is not a SIDE effect of choking, it's a DIRECT effect.

Without knowing how many people are choking other people, you cannot accurately estimate how often there is a certain effect occurring.  The FBI did estimate that in the last year, approximately 1000 people have died from erotic asphyxiation.

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 8:01:51 AM   
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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 8:06:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: goodpuddles

My concern is more about the whole heart stopping thing via hands around neck choking individual. How common is that side effect?


Well I suspect the answer you're hoping for is "Oh, really rare." so that you can feel safer about doing it.

The truth is there's no answer we can give you. The commonality of that particular side-effect isn't traced cross-person, each of our physiologies is unique. What may never happen to me may happen to you every time. What may only cause a seizure in me (and has), may do nothing to someone else.

This is one of the few kinks that you are truely on your own to make safety decisons for yourself and your partner.


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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 8:08:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The problem with this kind of play is physiology. You can get away with doing it fifty times, on the 51st you don't. That's why I won't do it.

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 8:10:59 AM   
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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 8:13:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		As leatherist said.  It is 100% safe until it kills you and then it is 100% lethal. 

I used to laugh at the safety police about this issue as I had done it with lots of people and never had an issue.  Then I did it and someone wents into spasms, started to pass out and collapse.  SCARED THE LIVING FUCK OUT OF ME!!!!!!

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RE: choking... the real dangers? - 4/19/2008 8:14:28 AM   
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