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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/24/2008 9:59:34 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		As servicemen they were told by the leaders of our country to and do something. They followed orders that were not in direct violation of the UMCJ, and did what was asked of them by "their country". It is we the people's responsibility for the leaders that are in place. What is bullshit, is ignoring their sacrifice, when they did their duty when they knew it was likely bullshit. When is it easier to do your duty? When it seems noble to everyone, or when you know it is a FUBAR?

Other than that, I do not disagree with your post about Bush and the other imperialist.


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Please..spare me the "They died for our country crap"..its weak ass bullshit. This war is bullshit..Bush & his entire family is for shit. This war was wrong from the get go, all because he wanted to finish the fight against saddam his father could not. Our fight is with Osama. Not Saddam. WE HAVE NO PLACE IN BEING IN IRAQ! Simply put. Any fool that signs himself up to go there, knows full well wtf his stupid ass is in for, and ends up dead? Thats his & his familys fault and his sheer stupidity. I dont wanna hear "They died for our country." Thats bullshit. Bush, his family, "dick head" cheney and "Dumb Dumb Rhumsfeld" all belong behind bars in quantanimo bay. I'll be glad as hell to see the bush idiots leave office.


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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/24/2008 11:21:38 PM   
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Other than to rally the "willing masses".

Firm



Many of the 'willing masses' knew the Iraqi war was for idiots before they needed rallying.

Its the 'rallying' for slow learners that is going on here.




Slow learners and willing masses huh? How's that Muslim takeover of your country and continent going?


Only a Republican American can be paranoid about muslims taking over someone elses continent.

However, I had my wicked way a nice muslim lady only two days ago and she is in for another meatcleaver torture session this weekend and no, I'm no hiding from a fatwa or her brothers out for an honour killing.

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/24/2008 11:23:34 PM   
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On the political scale, isn't a 'pinko' some kind of lightweight communist or something?


Yes. The people's flag is palest pink, its not as red as people think.

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/24/2008 11:28:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		there weren't 12 reasons in, so there cannot be 12 reasons out, and I gotta tell you---

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/24/2008 11:31:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I'm not paranoid at all. It is happening. Whether you care or not doesn't change that.
Of course the track record of Europe bears that out as well. Nazism, Fascism, Communism, and now Islamism. And tons of appeasement.
What worries me is that the US will become as good at appeasement as you all have.

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/25/2008 4:02:48 AM   
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slaveboy,

You clearly said you do not vote and do not care...so am I to assume that your "Hillary is a bitch post" means you do care a bit? Then vote, or hush. 


I clearly did not say that I did not vote.  I did say that I am a little apathetic this go around, but I did say I would vote.  I have voted in every local, state, county, and federal election since 1993 when I turned 18.  I am entitled to be pissy about our choices this year, but that doesn't mean I was asking for your opinion on who I should vote for.  I do care, but I am not optimistic.  So read before you make your comments, or hush. 

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/25/2008 3:05:25 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Only a Republican American? Well I will be and sure to tell my friend that they are not a Democrat, because they are paranoid in the extreme of a cultural take over by Muslims. Cheerleading comments like that does not help a damn thing, and is one of the major problems in the country today. Are you proud to be a part of that problem?

Though some radical Muslim schools, that are supported by the religious zealots in Saudi Arabia are promoting a program of cultural take over, I doubt it will spread throughout the entire Muslim world, and I doubt it would succeed.


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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Only a Republican American can be paranoid about muslims taking over someone elses continent.

However, I had my wicked way a nice muslim lady only two days ago and she is in for another meatcleaver torture session this weekend and no, I'm no hiding from a fatwa or her brothers out for an honour killing.


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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 8:06:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Only a Republican American? Well I will be and sure to tell my friend that they are not a Democrat, because they are paranoid in the extreme of a cultural take over by Muslims. Cheerleading comments like that does not help a damn thing, and is one of the major problems in the country today. Are you proud to be a part of that problem?

Though some radical Muslim schools, that are supported by the religious zealots in Saudi Arabia are promoting a program of cultural take over, I doubt it will spread throughout the entire Muslim world, and I doubt it would succeed.


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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Only a Republican American can be paranoid about muslims taking over someone elses continent.

However, I had my wicked way a nice muslim lady only two days ago and she is in for another meatcleaver torture session this weekend and no, I'm no hiding from a fatwa or her brothers out for an honour killing.



This is just paranoia I'm afraid to say. There are over 700 million people in Europe and between 25-50 million muslims depending where you decide the border of Europe is and many of those are not immigrants but indiginous Europeans. Fucked in the head muslims are not as dangerous as fucked in the head Christians who have the President of the USA's ear. Most European muslims are not culturally Arabic muslims nor do they want to be. Fundementalist muslims make a lot of noise but they make a lot of noise because they are losing their battle with their fellow liberal muslims who like the freedoms Europe has to offer them. The woman I am dating is actually an Arabic muslim from Syria and comes from a liberal family and no one would know she and her family were muslim and she has no intention of giving up her freedom for religious idiots of any variety and she is quite typical of many third generation muslim women who have assimilated into western society.

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 8:51:41 AM   
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This is just paranoia I'm afraid to say. There are over 700 million people in Europe and between 25-50 million muslims depending where you decide the border of Europe is and many of those are not immigrants but indiginous Europeans. Fucked in the head muslims are not as dangerous as fucked in the head Christians who have the President of the USA's ear. Most European muslims are not culturally Arabic muslims nor do they want to be. Fundementalist muslims make a lot of noise but they make a lot of noise because they are losing their battle with their fellow liberal muslims who like the freedoms Europe has to offer them. The woman I am dating is actually an Arabic muslim from Syria and comes from a liberal family and no one would know she and her family were muslim and she has no intention of giving up her freedom for religious idiots of any variety and she is quite typical of many third generation muslim women who have assimilated into western society.


[sarcasm]

So ...  the riots in France by "disadvantaged youths" were by angry Christians?

The murder of van Gogh in the Netherlands was another example of Christian anger?

The riots over the Danish publication of cartoons of Mohammad were all by radical Christians?

The subway bombings in London was the Christian Scientist's answer to inefficient public transportation?

The train bombings in Spain were meant to challenge the cultural imperialism of the Pope?

oh.  ok.  Learn something new every day.[/sarcasm]

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 9:59:08 AM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		Religion isn't the problem here; politics is. As meatcleaver correctly says, the few Muslims ready to explode themselves and others to make a point are few and far between: as always though, violence is louder than peace.

The riots in France were orchestrated by French citizens. That's all that matters: their religion is irrelevant. You are making an artificial dichotomy that serves a divisive political purpose. But you know this already  .

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 10:02:51 AM   
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Religion isn't the problem here; politics is. As meatcleaver correctly says, the few Muslims ready to explode themselves and others to make a point are few and far between: as always though, violence is louder than peace.

The riots in France were orchestrated by French citizens. That's all that matters: their religion is irrelevant. You are making an artificial dichotomy that serves a divisive political purpose. But you know this already  .


I know nothing of the sort.

By your definition, the Civil Rights movement in the US during the 60's wasn't about race.

Firm


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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 10:19:30 AM   
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This would be kind of a neat idea....



The way things are going it might have to tower over the Lincoln Monument in order to fit all of the names of the deceased along it's mighty shaft......I think it might be more appealing if it were done in black granite....Like the Vietnam War Memorial.

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 10:20:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		The reasons to get out of this was are  lives and oil.  It is costing us out of the ying yang.
 
Regards, MissSCD

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 11:03:33 AM   
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Actually, I'm not paranoid at all. It is happening. Whether you care or not doesn't change that.
Of course the track record of Europe bears that out as well. Nazism, Fascism, Communism, and now Islamism. And tons of appeasement.
What worries me is that the US will become as good at appeasement as you all have.


Do you have any proof of this "Track Record"  ?  I dont see  Muslims taking over the UK. Nor anyplace else. Sure, there is an inlux but not a deluge.

As for Appeasement, do you have a clue how many Europeans died fighting facism ? 

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 11:19:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		So Thatcher and Blair's brand of fascism is preferred over that of Hitler and Mussolini?

Look up the term fascism, it applies...

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 11:38:34 AM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Actually the schools I refer to, were highlighted in a special on Canadian TV. It was actually some other Muslim schools and activist, that brought the information out. You are too quick to claim paranoia. You then further offer red herrings, fucked in the head chrisrians, do not speak about the Muslim radicals I refered to. Just because you are dating someone, does not give you an authoritative voice on anyone other than your personal experience.

Your propoganda is just as bad as the side that is trying to scare everyone.


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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

This is just paranoia I'm afraid to say. There are over 700 million people in Europe and between 25-50 million muslims depending where you decide the border of Europe is and many of those are not immigrants but indiginous Europeans. Fucked in the head muslims are not as dangerous as fucked in the head Christians who have the President of the USA's ear. Most European muslims are not culturally Arabic muslims nor do they want to be. Fundementalist muslims make a lot of noise but they make a lot of noise because they are losing their battle with their fellow liberal muslims who like the freedoms Europe has to offer them. The woman I am dating is actually an Arabic muslim from Syria and comes from a liberal family and no one would know she and her family were muslim and she has no intention of giving up her freedom for religious idiots of any variety and she is quite typical of many third generation muslim women who have assimilated into western society.


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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 11:38:34 AM   
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So Thatcher and Blair's brand of fascism is preferred over that of Hitler and Mussolini?

Look up the term fascism, it applies...


I know what it means. I`m just stunned someone as bright as you cant see the difference between Hitler/Mussolini and Thatcher/Blair. Show me where either Blair or Thatcher promoted Fascism ?  Granted Thatcher was right wing, but to call either fascist is laughable, especially Blair.

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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 11:41:09 AM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		So in the UK the ctizens have no rights, except what is granted by the state as a privilege, that can be revoked at whim, without due process? I do not mean there may be a few examples, but any and all would have to be subject to the qualifications, to actually be fascism. You use that word to scare people, just like Bush uses the word terrorist. Wrong for him equals wrong for you as well.


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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

So Thatcher and Blair's brand of fascism is preferred over that of Hitler and Mussolini?

Look up the term fascism, it applies...


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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 11:43:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		He knows the difference. he is just playing his game, as he has been doing for a while. He is his own proproganda machine. Yeah he is intelligent, but he would rather use red herrings and straw men, that get to the meat of most issues. I have seen one post of his in the last month that was actually very good, and involved actual discussion.


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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

So Thatcher and Blair's brand of fascism is preferred over that of Hitler and Mussolini?

Look up the term fascism, it applies...


I know what it means. I`m just stunned someone as bright as you cant see the difference between Hitler/Mussolini and Thatcher/Blair. Show me where either Blair or Thatcher promoted Fascism ?  Granted Thatcher was right wing, but to call either fascist is laughable, especially Blair.


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RE: 12 Reasons to Get Out of Iraq - 4/26/2008 11:53:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Orion. Yes its a pretty poor tactic which didnt have anything to do with the contents of my post.

Whether anyone feels it was right or wrong to go into Iraq, and personally i have always thought it was wrong. I think if we pull out now, there will be chaos, which we will have to sort out at a later date anyway. There will almost certainly be a worse Sunni/Shia conflict than we already have. If that happens i can see it spreading to adjoining States, including Saudi.

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