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SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 1:12:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I believe the next thread should be about the evils of soccer moms in their mini vans and SUVs. [:'(] lawd dont even get me started on them-lolol too funny

Smith117 -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 2:36:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly At least with a bike you can hear them coming. No, you CAN'T. That's the point I, and others, have made here. Those so-loud-they're-illegal pipes DO NOT let you hear them. All they do is wake you out of a sound sleep at 3 am. They do NOT increase your ability to be seen on a busy highway during rush hour.

DragonLady5 -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 2:37:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MMistress I am amazed at the closed minded opinions presented in this thread. As a new rider of a motorcycle, I hope to never be on the same road with some of the people that have posted here. I've been associated with "bikers" for 35 years and I can guarantee that if a motorist is broken down on the road, it would be the "biker" that would be the first one that would pull over and offer to help. There is an old "biker" saying that goes, "When we do right, no one remembers, when we do wrong, no one forgets". Remember people. We all have to share the roads. Loud pipes are a way to get the general motorist to hear a bike, because they don't always see us. I took a motorcycle riders training course a few weeks ago. This course taught us that the average motorist will not see us and that we as motorcyclists, need to do everything possible to be visible. Just remember.....there are good and bad in all walks of life. I don't see the need to label people simply because they happen to ride a motorcycle. Amen. I took the motorcycle riders training course and got my motorcycle license on my 48th birthday. I ride a Honda Shadow Aero 750 that my husband bought me for Christmas. I have met a lot of great people who happen to ride motorcycles. I ride as carefully as I can, have stock pipes (not loud), am considerate as possible, and still get cut off constantly, etc., by the other idiots on the road. Of course, they do that when I'm driving the Jeep, too.

Smith117 -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 2:38:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I believe the next thread should be about the evils of soccer moms in their mini vans and SUVs. That thread would be shutdown for the endless rants and tirades I believe.

Smith117 -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 2:41:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne smith we comprehend the op completely differently, and thats ok. its what makes the world interesting. Well see, there's the problem. YOU made the OP and YOU have an idea of how you meant it. However, I learned long ago in a leadership course that for their to be effective communication, the listener (reader) must receive the INTENDED message from the speaker. In this case, some did not recieve your "intended" message and therefore the communication failed. It came across to many, myself included, as a whiny rant about how bikers are the saints of the road and the victims of persecution by the big, mean car drivers. And that's simply not the case. The simple and honest truth is, there are idiots all over the nation's roadways. They drive, they ride, they skip, they walk, they fly, whatever. Assuming everyone else on the road is an idiot is the key to keep yourself safe no matter what you're driving. You "expect" them to do something stupid and you have a plan for what you will do to avoid their stupidity.

sirsholly -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 3:17:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly At least with a bike you can hear them coming. No, you CAN'T. That's the point I, and others, have made here. Those so-loud-they're-illegal pipes DO NOT let you hear them. All they do is wake you out of a sound sleep at 3 am. They do NOT increase your ability to be seen on a busy highway during rush hour. most bikes have stock pipes...not overbearing and certainly not illegal.

Smith117 -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 3:22:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly At least with a bike you can hear them coming. No, you CAN'T. That's the point I, and others, have made here. Those so-loud-they're-illegal pipes DO NOT let you hear them. All they do is wake you out of a sound sleep at 3 am. They do NOT increase your ability to be seen on a busy highway during rush hour. most bikes have stock pipes...not overbearing and certainly not illegal. You're still missing the point. Those with loud pipes claim it's for safety. It's not. Those with them or those without them aren't able to be heard on a busy highway anymoreso than a car is. So there is no reason to have them loud enough to wake neighbors. And the "at least you can hear us coming" argument is moot because it just ain't true. If I can't hear you in my car while listening to low-volumed talk radio, others SURE can't hear you with their music blasting and their windows up.

sirsholly -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 3:40:14 PM)
Sweetie..those with the loud pipes do it for the very same reason one drives a car without a muffler. For attention. And perhaps you have a hearing issue? I know i certainly can hear a motorcycle on all but the busiest freeways. Now...if you'll excuse me...i am off to find the Scoccer mom/SUV thread. Has to be better than this one. Ta ta

Smith117 -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 3:42:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly Sweetie..those with the loud pipes do it for the very same reason one drives a car without a muffler. Exactly my point. quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly And perhaps you have a hearing issue? I know i certainly can hear a motorcycle on all but the busiest freeways. Exactly my point again, keywords: "BUSIEST FREEWAYS." I already stipulated that at intersections they can be heard, but on freeways they can not, thus rendering your "easier to be heard" point inaccurate.

pagansub77 -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 3:45:38 PM)
<FR> General response to trucker replies The 3 day strike was primarily Independent Owner Operators, the big companies kept right on rolling, it would take all trucks shutting down to make a difference. Goods may cross the country by rail but they still have to be hauled from the rail depot to distribution centers and then to your local Wal-Mart or mom-n-pop store. They also need to be hauled from manufacturing plants to the rail depot. Ever notice how many cars on that passing train are trailers? Company name on the side and wheels on the ground, to be offloaded from train and hooked to a tractor at depot, then driven to destination. The reason 'yahoo's' are driving is because the largest companies seem to think 3 weeks of training is enough to make a trucker. What they get after 3 weeks is a driver who can go straight down the highway but can't back, shift or trip plan. So they change lanes without looking, drive faster than safe because the company says they have to deliver on time, no matter what and the government has set up an arcane bunch of rules that apply to how long they can drive and when they are mandated to take breaks. Every time the system seems to work, the FMCSA changes them again. Ok, rant over... ps77

Lynnxz -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 3:46:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly At least with a bike you can hear them coming. No, you CAN'T. That's the point I, and others, have made here. Those so-loud-they're-illegal pipes DO NOT let you hear them. All they do is wake you out of a sound sleep at 3 am. They do NOT increase your ability to be seen on a busy highway during rush hour. Hehe.. being seen is why my new helmet an obnoxiously pink 5 inch mohawk on the top.... I'm thinking about getting it to be made out of reflective stuff, just for kicks, but I don't know if the lady that makes them has that kind of material. I don't make a habit of acting like an idiot on a bike. Everything else on the road is bigger than me... wtf would I cut them off for?

GreedyTop -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 3:46:47 PM)
what ps said (i drove trucks for over 20 yrs)

Smith117 -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 3:57:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz Hehe.. being seen is why my new helmet an obnoxiously pink 5 inch mohawk on the top.... I'm thinking about getting it to be made out of reflective stuff, just for kicks, but I don't know if the lady that makes them has that kind of material. I'm guessing that would certainly do it. quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz I don't make a habit of acting like an idiot on a bike. Everything else on the road is bigger than me... wtf would I cut them off for? This was well said and my point all along. I'm not hating on bikers in general here. I'm hating on 1) Whiny bikers who blame everyone else on the road when we all know that an idiot on the road is an idiot on the road, no matter what the type of vehicle; and 2) Stupid bikers. I have already said I'm planning (finances willing) to get a bike of my own. It's a Honda DN-01 if you'd like to look it up. It has plenty of power (for me) though only about half as powerful as most crotch-rockets on the road (on purpose). And without having operated a bike on my own before I can already say I know three main things: 1) I'll be the tiniest thing on the road, 2) Stupid stunts on the road = death, 3) Doubt as to whether or not a car can see me = they can't, so I will watch out for all the other idiots, because I know they won't.

tigerstyle -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 4:17:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ElectraGlide I understand what you are saying Smith. Most people like loud pipes so cars can hear them. Loud Pipes Save Lives, is a popular saying. I love this one. "Loud pipes save my life so that I can live to ride another day and rattle windows and wake up old ladies, children, and tired construction workers who have to get up at 430 with my @#$% loud pipes"

GreedyTop -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 4:19:27 PM)
Smith.. I will repeat what I've said before..take a rider safety course before you ever take it out on the road. :) Not only can it save your life, most insurance companies will give you a discount on your bike insurance after successfully completing the course.

tigerstyle -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 4:20:00 PM)
quote: most bikes have stock pipes...not overbearing and certainly not illegal. I'm home all day with an injury. I'd say a bike with aftermarket pipes goes down my block every 30 minutes, on average. All. Fucking. Day. Long. I always get up and look, it's always a Harley with a moron with one of those old-school helmets.

GreedyTop -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 4:22:55 PM)
maybe the same guy?

Smith117 -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 4:23:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop Smith.. I will repeat what I've said before..take a rider safety course before you ever take it out on the road. :) Not only can it save your life, most insurance companies will give you a discount on your bike insurance after successfully completing the course. Oh I plan to, trust me. I'm not one of the idiot masses who thinks he can just hop and go. There is calculation in everything I'd do with a bike, primarily in the power I chose. I chose a low-power "cruiser" with an automatic transmission that has half the power of today's crotch rockets AND that just happens to remind me of an old 80's TV show about a top secret 'superbike.' Only my bike will have the look, not the speed. Still though, the ability to hit 120 fairly quickly is fast by car standards, put that power on a bike and it's still damned fast, just not into the 180-200 mph range of most of today's rockets. Seriously, this bike looks cool as hell, just google the Honda DN-01....you'll see.

GreedyTop -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 4:28:05 PM)
Nice :) Good look to it! I don't really like the auto-trans thing myself, but I could nonetheless see myself running around town on something like that. Any idea what the market price is set at?

tigerstyle -> RE: the biker (4/25/2008 4:31:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop maybe the same guy? Well, I'm bracketed by two of them, so I'm always looking for that...but it's not. It's different guys who look like their mommies all dressed them from the Harley Store.

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