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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 8:31:10 AM   
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      Personally, I don't see the appeal of an automatic revolver.  It's the worst of both worlds. You have the limited magazine capacity and more complicated reload process, AND the increased likelihood of a mechanical failure from the extra moving parts.


i think it's just a neat design exercise. Back in the Webley days it was just another approach to the need for speed, but now it's just exotica. There isn't a whole lot of variation in firearms anymore, so stuff that takes a different approach stands out.

i still want a Calico

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 8:33:46 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0zxgyim_g4

I want one of these really bad.  But I don't want to spend 1500 bucks for the one I saw at the local gun store. 

Isn't this gun awesome?  They don't make them  anymore. 


You make it sound as if you wank over it.,

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 8:42:55 AM   
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I'll type slower, if you don't read so well. Every popular semi-auto, the Glock, the Sg, the Bereeta, the 1911, most of  the H&Ks and the S&Ws, all the imitators of the previous,and dozens I won't be bothered to list, have removable barrels (in fact,they must be removed to maintain them properly). The barrels can be replaced in a moment or two, by anyone, without tools. It is a selling point of certain models that they can fire different cartridges with a barrel sawp, notably .40 S&W/.357 SIG models. These mosels have, since the eighties or early nineties, represented the majority of firearms used in homicides. Yet criminals do not do swap barrels, but they dispose of the entire gun, if they even bother.


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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 8:43:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		       LOL.  Nice find, Full.  My sneaking suspicion though, is that the animal was 'stolen' in much the same way that others 'go live on a farm.'  "Undocked" means nothing on a coffee table is safe with the dog in the room, "jumps up" means horribly trained.  "_____'s pet" explains why they ran an ad to show the ___.

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 8:57:14 AM   
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Yet criminals do not do swap barrels, but they dispose of the entire gun, if they even bother.

Why do you think that is?

They don't do it because no one on the internet has educated them on the advantages of doing so, until now that is. Mr I want to buy a gun where I can swap barrels has let everyone know. Some people say you can identify the bullet with the firing mechanism which I don't myself see the logic of unless they also find the casing. 

If you love your guns then maybe keep that love to yourself because I'm sick of people glorifying them, sick of seeing untrained people handle them in videos and sick of this topic reappearing over and over again.

Aren’t there dedicated sites for gun owners so that the Government can keep track of you more easily?

Yes I’m aggressive at times but at least I’m not able to be pointing a gun at you. Human’s are flawed creatures why give them the power to kill? Sorry no one is going to like me for saying all that but it’s just what I feel.


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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 9:06:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like you for saying it, Circle. The subject of guns regularly comes back on the boards and gun-lovers are just as virulent as you and I, so there shouldn't be any apology being made. Firearms are a real American cultural quirk: they're acceptable here, where they wouldn't be elsewhere. I've headbutted many times over the subject because I HATE guns and I don't understand how people can love them. But gun lovers don't comprehend my dislike of their toys either.

The debate rages on...

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 11:22:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Criminals don't swap barrels because there is no point in doing so. Prosecutions rarely hinge on ballistic evidence.

To suggest that criminals do not know that the barrels are replacable on the majority of pistols serves only to highlight your ignorance of the topic. Anyone who has handled a pistol, knows this.

If we want to reduce the power of humans to kill, we should probably take away their cars, cell phones, computers, hats, pillows, knives, pool cues... aw heck, why doin't we just have a few enlightened individuals raise the rest of us in veal bages? The fact of the matter is, there is a poor correlation between gun bans and crime rates. You can cite countries with no legal ownership and low crime rates, but only by ignoring those with high rates of legal ownership and low crime, and vice versa. What nobody can do is show a gun ban that has resulted in a drop in violent crime. England's efforts in this field have been a monumental failure by any measure.

In fact, the only things that reduces crime are increasing the risks of committing crime (agressive law enforcement, or arming the targets), removing motives, primarily a function of the economy (although ending drug prohibition would be an incredibly effective move), or removing individuals with a propensity for violence from the general population (enforcing long prison sentences for acts of violence).

If you're afraid of inanimate objects, perhaps it's best to keep that fear to yourself, because I'm sick of reading dopey arguments, or worse, seeing pointless laws strip the lawful citzens of rights, while leaving the violent fraction of the population unimpeded..


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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 11:30:42 AM   
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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 11:54:21 AM   
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Criminals don't swap barrels because there is no point in doing so. Prosecutions rarely hinge on ballistic evidence.

Yet they discard weapons?
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If we want to reduce the power of humans to kill, we should probably take away their cars, cell phones, computers, hats, pillows, knives, pool cues

The difference is intent.
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aw heck, why don’t we just have a few enlightened individuals raise the rest of us in veal bages?

Good idea
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England's efforts in this field have been a monumental failure by any measure.

I blame the US influence for the fact teenagers solve matters this way. Guns or no guns it would have occurred the only difference is there is no grey area in the UK. Found with a weapon means prison for you and everyone can understand the simplicity of that.
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If you're afraid of inanimate objects, perhaps it's best to keep that fear to yourself, because I'm sick of reading dopey arguments, or worse, seeing pointless laws strip the lawful citzens of rights, while leaving the violent fraction of the population unimpeded.

Yeah yeah right to bare arms: roll up your sleeves then.




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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 11:54:37 AM   
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Yet criminals do not do swap barrels, but they dispose of the entire gun, if they even bother.

Why do you think that is?

They don't do it because no one on the internet has educated them on the advantages of doing so, until now that is. Mr I want to buy a gun where I can swap barrels has let everyone know. Some people say you can identify the bullet with the firing mechanism which I don't myself see the logic of unless they also find the casing. 


Semiautomatic pistols, which eject the shells onto the ground as they fire, can sometimes leave identifying marks on the casing. People who do hold-ups, drive-bys, etc., are aware of this, but they do not take the time to clean up the shells afterwards.

Instead, if a gun has been used in a major crime, a smart criminal disposes of the whole thing in a river, sewer, Dumpster, etc. Guns can be had fairly cheaply if you don't care about laws.  Barrel swaps aren't worth the effort.

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 12:17:16 PM   
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The advantage for criminals is they only have to discard the barrel rather than the whole gun to avoid a match in ballistics reports.

I see no reason a legitimate owner would want one of these but then I see no legitimate reason anyone would want to own a gun. You collectors just keep making the work of the police harder and harder.


You cleary know nothing about guns. ANY gun's barrel can be replaced rather easily. Criminals are too stupid for that, or they don't waste their time, so they ditch the whole gun, not parts of it.

And for the record, the laws governing the carrying of concealed weapons by civilians was brought about BY the cops. Because they realized how bad crime was and they knew they can't be everywhere at once. The average citizen being able to defend themselves instantly vs. waiting for a 5 or 10 minute response time was one of the driving factors of today's CHL laws.

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 12:20:04 PM   
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Read my post again in slow motion and point out the part where I called him a criminal. I think you are in a weak position to be accusing anyone else of racism after some of your recent rants in the freedom of speech threads.


Nice back pedal. But the quote below indicates what you think of the video guy, even if you don't come out and say it plainly.

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I'm not surprised he changed his barrel to 2" it probably suits him better.




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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 12:24:42 PM   
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       I'm just practical, Kitten.  Guns are often less than the illusion of home security.  If criminals know you have them, it makes you more of a target for burglary.  When was the last time you heard someone talking about "they broke in and stole my Rottweilers?"


Don't think I've heard that one, but I have heard "they broke into the woman's second floor apartment, tied her up and then ----- assaulted her, stabbed her and left her for dead." Quite often.

We had a serial guy do that 20 times in three years, he came through the back door with a shotgun and knives. Let's see Fido take that on. Personally, I'd rather have a glock. That way the bad guy gets dead instead of my beloved pet.

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 12:26:12 PM   
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    Guns are often less than the illusion of home security, if criminals know you have them, it makes you more of a target for burglary. 



I fully realise this, which is why it's puzzling that anybody with a concern for home safety would stock burglar magnets in there. But I'm sure you have your reasons :-) .




Anything a criminal could want is a 'burglar magnet'.......50" plasma.....Blu-ray player....nice cars, nice clothes.....unless you live like a Buddhist monk, you have SOMETHING they might want.

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 12:28:29 PM   
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I know your freedom of speech bullshit speech comes next and yet you won't let anyone publish nuclear research papers?


Not a double standard at all as nuclear research papers aren't simply "speech" they contain vital information that can be used to the detriment of millions. Freedom of speech is one thing, but so is protecting national secrets. Freedom of speech won't protect you from spilling Cocacola's recipe online, same goes for nuclear research.

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 12:32:34 PM   
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Why do you think that is?

They don't do it because no one on the internet has educated them on the advantages of doing so, until now that is.


Actually it's more because discarding the entire gun is easier. That's why, according to the news, several 'thugs' maintain 'community guns' or, guns hidden in a place the whole gang can access so they aren't ever caught carrying their own. If someone happens to find the stashed gun, it's got no prints and no one around to claim it. No arrest.

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Yes I’m aggressive at times but at least I’m not able to be pointing a gun at you. Human’s are flawed creatures why give them the power to kill? Sorry no one is going to like me for saying all that but it’s just what I feel.


Humans have had the power to kill since before we created fire. You can't magically get rid of guns and say the problem is done.

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 12:34:36 PM   
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And for the record, the laws governing the carrying of concealed weapons by civilians was brought about BY the cops. Because they realized how bad crime was and they knew they can't be everywhere at once. The average citizen being able to defend themselves instantly vs. waiting for a 5 or 10 minute response time was one of the driving factors of today's CHL laws.


Great I love your system of instant justice.

I often hear people talk about defending themselves with guns but never how they actually do this. When the criminal knows exactly what he will do, the victim is taken by surprise. How likely it is anyone can take back the advantage of prior knowledge?

Also if it is all about your self defence why the need to glorify your ownership? See that is the problem for me if an American kills someone and says, "I don't like the fact I had to kill him but it had to be done." I never believe them for the simple reason two weeks earlier they were glorifying their use of them.

Recently there was an issue with profile pictures with guns in and I think I asked back then "Where do you keep your gun lying around between shots when you are adjusting your camera?" I was serious and they thought I was joking, how sad is that?

The other point about swapping barrels has been made numerously to me.

I'll gladly admit I'm a gun novice having never handled one. All I know about guns I can write on my raised middle finger.

Roll out the argument that people kill people not guns if you like. You are just raising the stakes all the time. The criminal will always match the weapon you have and also have the advantage of prior knowledge.

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 12:56:34 PM   
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Humans have had the power to kill since before we created fire. You can't magically get rid of guns and say the problem is done.


Ever done a risk assessment and used that same argument? 

The point is to reduce the likelihood of occurrence not add more hazards into the mix.

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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 1:03:36 PM   
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Not a double standard at all as nuclear research papers aren't simply "speech" they contain vital information that can be used to the detriment of millions. Freedom of speech is one thing, but so is protecting national secrets. Freedom of speech won't protect you from spilling Cocacola's recipe online, same goes for nuclear research.


If you lived in Iran you may have another perspective on that especially in light of recent comments by presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton. How you people can even consider someone that uses such reckless speech to garner votes is beyond me. Of coarse you may be of the opinion her comments put fear into the hearts of those in Iran but in reality it probably only made Iran question the whole point of complying. Also only acts to make them have a go at you before you get the chance. I thought the cold war was over where such rhetoric was exchanged.


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RE: Mateba revolver...I want one really bad. - 4/26/2008 1:11:04 PM   
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Nice back pedal. But the quote below indicates what you think of the video guy, even if you don't come out and say it plainly.


I simply think that maybe he is into short range shooting and needs to store it in a small handbag.

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