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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 5/4/2008 2:48:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I just defended Obama from charges that his campaign is pulling a dirty trick, an accusation TheHeretic made. 



         Actually, Sanity, I said the dirtiest trick in the Obama campaign bag would come out organically.  The paid staff will likely stay very deniable and the candidate himself will be able to stay well clear.  Very much the same principle as the "Barak Hussein Obama is a muslim" grew and expanded from.  The barest facts are enough to get the volunteer true believers running all on their own.


       

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 5/4/2008 4:44:01 PM   
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No, he does not walk on water.  He is just a man.  Someone who thinks he can make a difference.  He has faults, just like the rest of us.  But again, I ask, specifically what dirty tricks has the Obama campaign resorted to?  Yes, there are ones here who use inflamitory language, but they are not, as far as I know, part of the campaign organization.
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(I still have not made up my mind who I will vote for.  But the one who does or does not resort to mudslinging will make a difference in making up my mind.)


Clues for $500.00 Alex.

Guys, they've all resorted to dirty tricks...the only difference in Obama's campaign is, he's complained about them on public airwaves...Hillary's paid for the air time.

He's sat there on a podium and whined "she's complained about thus and such, when the facts are she's done thus and such since 1993...."

The only difference in the two campaigns is...he's been able to take the high road only because she took the low road.

It's politics.

Both are interstates, and both are traveling parallel down the freeway.

Both have tolls.

In November we'll actually discover who paid more for the gate.

He ain't that pristine...and she ain't that knowledgeable...

As a lifelong (male) Republican...personally, I can't wait to vote for Hillary...because Obama ain't got shit...he's just a black guy, with a nice little Southern drawl (which he's been making more of lately), working his ass off for every liberal guilty feeling white guy...and, the fact is...he knows his shit.

Just not as much as Hillary does.

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 5/4/2008 5:34:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was business dealings in Chicago, sorry I was not clear on that. Look into the property investment groups and who else were members. Not damning stuff, but just a nagging one of mine. Don't feel like digging up those sources again, so just ignore my statement, I just know I was leaning heavily towards him and with everything I looked at, in the end I could not support him because his change is not really change. It is just rearranging the furniture.


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Not mine anymore. Going all the way back through his Illinois and Chicago careers, as well as looking at the people he has associated himself with, I have determined he is just another business as usual politician.

Bob Barr for President
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/?gclid=CPTD46HWjZMCFQoBkgodxWORTg





Really?  That's pretty interesting, since the bios I've read clearly point out that he was never a Chicago politician 'as usual', but instead went straight to the legislature as an activist lawyer suing for tenant's rights among other things.

Care to provide some proof of the assertion that he held elected office in Chicago and rose to his current position the usual way?


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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 5/4/2008 6:39:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Griswold

As a lifelong (male) Republican...personally, I can't wait to vote for Hillary...because Obama ain't got shit...he's just a black guy, with a nice little Southern drawl (which he's been making more of lately), working his ass off for every liberal guilty feeling white guy...and, the fact is...he knows his shit.



Now that's a very dirty trick; masquerading as member of the party you vote against to confound their choice of canditates for your own advantage. Kind of makes you ragging on the candidates a case of pot kettle black.

Don't you have any respect for the process or the right of others to participate without disruption?


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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 5/4/2008 6:52:39 PM   
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It was business dealings in Chicago, sorry I was not clear on that. Look into the property investment groups and who else were members. Not damning stuff, but just a nagging one of mine. Don't feel like digging up those sources again, so just ignore my statement, I just know I was leaning heavily towards him and with everything I looked at, in the end I could not support him because his change is not really change. It is just rearranging the furniture.


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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Not mine anymore. Going all the way back through his Illinois and Chicago careers, as well as looking at the people he has associated himself with, I have determined he is just another business as usual politician.

Bob Barr for President
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/?gclid=CPTD46HWjZMCFQoBkgodxWORTg





Really?  That's pretty interesting, since the bios I've read clearly point out that he was never a Chicago politician 'as usual', but instead went straight to the legislature as an activist lawyer suing for tenant's rights among other things.

Care to provide some proof of the assertion that he held elected office in Chicago and rose to his current position the usual way?



Thank you, and I mean that, that is a very nice resposne, and one that gives me more information than I had, which is not a bad thing.  Geez, if everyone starts dealing in useful information, I may have to mellow out or something.

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 5/4/2008 7:00:49 PM   
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In a townhall meeting in Des Moines, a questioner asked John McCain:

"Is it true you called your wife a cunt?"  (video)


It would have been quite wonderful if he'd replied "I don't think the American public wants to hear about my sex life."

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/1/2008 6:45:17 PM   
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Time to dust off this thread.

The Obama supporter Wesley Clark saying about McCain's military experience:

When the interviewer, Bob Schieffer, noted to Clark that McCain had been shot down over Hanoi, Clark replied, "I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."
There's much more.  The complete interview is on a youtube video here: Interview.

I consider this a "dirty trick" as defined in this thread because it seems to be an intentional (and unethical) slur on McCain that misrepresents his experiences (especially in comparison to Obama's total lack of military experience), and was unnecessarily gratuitous.

I submit it was done intentionally in order to squelch an open discussion about Obama's lack of experience.

I think it was a brilliant political maneuver, without a doubt.  Just not anywhere near his claim to a "new politics of change".  In fact ... it's the same ole, same ole.

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/1/2008 8:22:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		It`s not a dirty trick,if it`s true.

This thread started off with a phony premise and the "dust-off" is just as phony.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080702/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_clark

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/1/2008 10:06:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Firm, this man may be an Obama supporter but I doubt his comments were vetted by the campaign.
 
In any event, 'dirty tricks' characterise every campaign, for better or worse.  They wouldn't work if we didn't act like stupid sheep and did some critical thinking.
 
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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/1/2008 10:18:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

It`s not a dirty trick,if it`s true.

This thread started off with a phony premise and the "dust-off" is just as phony.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080702/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_clark


If  "what" is true?

The fact is, McCain has never said he was qualified to be President simply because he had military service.  He has said that he is better qualified to serve, because of his military service (better qualified than Obama, that is).

This incident was an intentional targeted attack on McCain's military service - belittling different parts of it - in an attempt to deflect Obama's total lack of any type of military service.

Great politics.  Questionable ethics.

Dirty trick.

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/1/2008 10:28:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: candystripper

Firm, this man may be an Obama supporter but I doubt his comments were vetted by the campaign.
 



"Plausible deniability".

Clark is interested in a position in a Democratic administration.  He is an Obama campaign advisor.  You don't think he discussed his actions and words for a national Sunday news show with Obama beforehand?

Do you believe that Clark was clueless that his words would get airplay, and national coverage, before he ever opened his mouth?

You have basically two choices here:

1. Obama knew and was ok with it, or
2.  Obama was clueless about what a national figure within his campaign was going to say.

I can't see either option reflecting well upon him.

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/1/2008 10:44:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		So you were outraged when the North Carolina GOP ran this ad....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhpcIH_Hw18

Of course McCain denounced the ad.

But the ad did it`s damage,so McCain got a bump on that and got the benefit of looking good for denouncing the ad.

But McCain never did jack shit other than his cutesy denunciation.No threat to cut the NC GOP off or any other sanction.

McCain got both the benefit of the negative ad as well as the (fake) moral outrage points.Very clever....

Is this what you`re accusing Obama of doing?

I think I see crocodile tears there, Firm.

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/1/2008 10:49:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well that's it then.

It's time for the talk radio people to take back control of this  country cuz we're never manipulated by dirty tricks like this....oh wait I have to pull over my car is out of gas....

I don't care who you vote for, within the history of humankind anybody wanting a leadeership position, probably shouldn't get it, and the more hoops they are willing to jump through, the less they should be chosen for the job.  Give me a nice middle manager who wants to get everything done by five, get home get his supper and watch the ball game and doesn't want the egotism that goes with office. 

whoever you vote for make sure they have your best interest in mind..oh wait if you're household doesn't make 75k a year, there is nobody with your best interest in mind...hahahhahahhaha sorry about that, it's a little joke so funny some of us can't stop crying.  So whoever you let manipulate your vote, the talk radio posse', huffington, NY times, or the crazy down the street with too many cats, just take responsiblity for it in 3 years....cuz whoever you elect to fix the mess that has been created has a clean up job that makes hercules cleaning them stables look nuthin', remember who you voted for and why, and remember who told you to do it...and remember thier sponsors so when the nice officers come to take your informaiton about the anal rape you can at least give a good description.  cuz it don't much matter if it's going to be an old white dick or a young black dick you're still going to get it up the ass before it's over. 

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/1/2008 10:56:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

So you were outraged when the North Carolina GOP ran this ad....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhpcIH_Hw18

Of course McCain denounced the ad.

But the ad did it`s damage,so McCain got a bump on that and got the benefit of looking good for denouncing the ad.

But McCain never did jack shit other than his cutesy denunciation.No threat to cut the NC GOP off or any other sanction.

McCain got both the benefit of the negative ad as well as the (fake) moral outrage points.Very clever....

Is this what you`re accusing Obama of doing?

I think I see crocodile tears there, Firm.
Yeah, same ole same ole... reciting facts is now "dirty tricks"... Okey doke. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/2/2008 3:37:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Griswold

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I can't wait for the republicans to try smearing Obama for having black babies. After all, it worked for Bush against McCain in South Carolina primary years ago, so it is worth trotting out that tactic again!


Obama had black babies????!!!!

Wait'll that makes it in to the press...he'll be toast.



Already done, by calling Michele 'baby momma'

You know, I'd care a lot more if the whole thing wasn't 100% completely contrived and staged.

It's all a show folks, don't take it seriously.

Of course, 6 years on, you're still being spied on by the US Government, I'd say you have more important things to worry about than watching the circus.



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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/2/2008 6:41:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

So you were outraged when the North Carolina GOP ran this ad....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhpcIH_Hw18

Of course McCain denounced the ad.

But the ad did it`s damage,so McCain got a bump on that and got the benefit of looking good for denouncing the ad.

But McCain never did jack shit other than his cutesy denunciation.No threat to cut the NC GOP off or any other sanction.

McCain got both the benefit of the negative ad as well as the (fake) moral outrage points.Very clever....

Is this what you`re accusing Obama of doing?

I think I see crocodile tears there, Firm.


Where you stand depends on where you sit.

However, a simple negative ad isn't necessarily a dirty trick.

Why do you consider this ad one?

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/2/2008 7:15:53 AM   
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Firm, this man may be an Obama supporter but I doubt his comments were vetted by the campaign.
 



"Plausible deniability".

Clark is interested in a position in a Democratic administration.  He is an Obama campaign advisor.  You don't think he discussed his actions and words for a national Sunday news show with Obama beforehand?

Do you believe that Clark was clueless that his words would get airplay, and national coverage, before he ever opened his mouth?

You have basically two choices here:

1. Obama knew and was ok with it, or
2.  Obama was clueless about what a national figure within his campaign was going to say.

I can't see either option reflecting well upon him.

Firm


More proof that it's a delibrate Obama campaign:


BARACK'S BUDDIES' UGLY POLITICS
Last updated: 4:03 am
July 2, 2008

 But Obama's not about to stop using Clark as a campaign surrogate. Nor is the onetime NATO commander about to retract his remarks about the man who spent five years as a prisoner of war.

What a far cry from four years ago - when Wesley Clark was denouncing criticism of John Kerry by groups supporting President Bush.

...


Now, it might be easy to dismiss Clark's comments as a pathetic attempt to stay politically revelant.

But Clark is the eighth prominent Democrat and Obama supporter to throw darts at McCain's military service.

They include Sen. Jay Rockefeller, who derided McCain as someone who "dropped laser-guided missiles from 35,000 feet" and thus doesn't "care about the lives of people."

Obama foreign-policy advisor Rand Beers said McCain's having spent five years as a prisoner of war in the Hanoi Hilton left him "isolated" from anti-war sentiment, meaning his national-security viewpoint is "sadly limited."

Sen. Tom Harkin complained that McCain can be "pretty dangerous" because his views come from "always having been in the military."

Of course, these remarks are always predicated with the line that "we honor his service."

Baloney.

As a McCain spokesman said, "If this kind of wink-and-nod game is how Barack Obama wants to run his campaign, then fine. But spare us the empty talk of 'new politics' and raising the dialogue in this country."

I think this sums it up pretty well.  I keep getting into discussions on the forum about how "America should be held to a higher standard, to match it's stated principles" whenever a "lefty" wants to compare US actions against other countries in the world.

Shouldn't Obama be held to a higher standard, based on his avowed principles?

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/2/2008 7:56:11 AM   
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Many posterss think, and act as if "dirty trickss" was ssomething only practiced by the Republican sside of the political sspectrum, when in fact, it is jusst as prevalent on the "left" sside.

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RE: Latest Democratic Dirty Tricks - 7/2/2008 8:10:28 AM   
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        That's a pretty bold and sweeping statement.  What if they are talking about Bush?  Republicans?  Gun-totin rednecks?  Corporations? 

     A racial epithet is merely one form of such expression.  Who gets to decide which forms are/are not allowed?  MoveOn.Org?

    


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