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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/3/2008 12:49:31 AM   
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K, you bunch of fuckin' pussies, I am coming out and picking the letter A.
Have your little thread. ..... Man up or woman up and pick a goddamn letter, don't just talk around the issue........... 

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/3/2008 12:50:22 AM   
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Can I pick Z for "zuitsuit?"

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/3/2008 12:52:54 AM   
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Not that you would know what palmerhousin' was.  But apparently there are two goddamn MEN on this site that will snatch a little alphabet.

And where I come from it would be Zoot Suit ........
Think Cab Callaway, Morris Day or Harlem Nights

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/3/2008 1:25:45 AM   
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Palmer script? The invention of the devil foisted upon children of my generation?

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/3/2008 1:31:41 AM   
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Word dude... coming out to the letter M for monkeyfucker.  I felt the urge to come out and tell everyone on CM monkeysex is where it's at!

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/3/2008 1:34:33 AM   
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No Palmer script is way before your time (and even mine sonny) my mother learned to make her chicken scratching by the Palmer method sometime before 1939.

I blame it on Carter.


The Palmer House is in Chicago, and it would take too much airspace to explain 'palmerhousin' but a quick and dirty to it would be grabbing your dick like mike jackson and moonwalking, but that is just a shadow.

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/3/2008 1:34:35 AM   
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uh huh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6lbJ9XLi-g

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/3/2008 5:49:47 AM   
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Beautiful site.

For those who don't understand the need to come out about 'sexual' preferences. For some of us its not all about sex or not about sex at all. Its about needing those closest to you to understand that you are obeying orders because it is a lif you chose not because you are codepant or in an abusive relationship. Its about wanting the people closest to you to really know who you are instead of having to keep a big huge part of yourself locked tightly behind walls when ever you around them. Its about needing them to accept who you really are, accept you for you not for who/what they think you are. Okay i will stop now this rant has grown long enough.

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/3/2008 5:56:48 AM   
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If it is that important, just tell them. Putting it in a letter and not sending it won't gain their acceptance, will it? Putting it in a letter, then actually sending it to them might help. But why couldn't you just do that anyway?

I am not being judgemental at all. I am out to any that matter to me. Most of the firefighters and cops in this VERY small town I live in know....just in case, LOL. ( and they are friends ). I have no UM's left at home. My adult offspring know. My sub's family knows. ( her choice ). We are blessed that we have no issues about it from those around us.

BTW, good luck with your mom.

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/4/2008 12:10:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Willowmoon

Beautiful site.

For those who don't understand the need to come out about 'sexual' preferences. For some of us its not all about sex or not about sex at all. Its about needing those closest to you to understand that you are obeying orders because it is a lif you chose not because you are codepant or in an abusive relationship. Its about wanting the people closest to you to really know who you are instead of having to keep a big huge part of yourself locked tightly behind walls when ever you around them. Its about needing them to accept who you really are, accept you for you not for who/what they think you are. Okay i will stop now this rant has grown long enough.

Willow


I don't have the urge to tell mommy or daddy and explain to them that I like fucking monkeys.  If I were to tell them how would that have them accept or love me more???  Knowing my parents like I do they would say "son I really don't care that your a monkey fucker but where do you find em"?

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/4/2008 12:26:10 AM   
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willow, I understand about the need for your close relatives and friends to understand why you take orders and such. What I don't understand is that if you take orders in front of them, and if you and your Sir live a D/s dynamic openly, why it is necessary to write a letter instead of being as open about it in conversation as you are in living it? Furthermore, why do you have to say anything at all if it makes you uncomfortable to do so?

Address questions if they're asked and leave the rest if you feel sketchy about talking openly (which boggles me if you're living it openly).

There have been a bunch of studies done that show that people think they are being scrutinized far more than they really are. People tend to have an inflated sense of being in the spotlight. Your discomfort could come from believing that everybody knows, when in fact, no one notices.

I'm not a fan of having intimate conversations via letter. It seems a little sneaky and manipulative (unless the letter writer feels that there is a threat from the person to whom he or she is writing) since there is no way for the reader to take part in this "important conversation."

To whack somebody over the head with this kind of confession, and to not leave them room to ask questions or express fear or confusion or whatever, seems destructive to the relationship between the writer and reader. If there's no real relationship there to begin with, say an extremely dysfunctional relationship between mother and daughter, then there's no need to send the letter to begin with.

But that's just me.

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/4/2008 12:59:53 AM   
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Do I need to come out?  The relationship between My Lord and myself is just that, BETWEEN us.  I don't need my daughters, co-workers, friends, etc, to know that I am kinky, I like to be submissive when being fucked, or the sorts of behavior we engage in.  For that matter, I probably wouldn't talk to them about vanilla sex, either.  None of their business, quite frankly.  If that need arose, for whatever unforeseen reason, I agree a conversation would be in order, and not a letter.

However, I do have one guy friend...

"Dear Friend,

I am writing you to let you know that I am involved in BDSM.  That's sex with whips, bondage, and sometimes chains (please, more chains!!)  I am telling you because, whenever I am with you, I cannot get the urge to bite your ass out of my head.  I also think about tying you down to a bed, torturing your body until you beg me to let you come, then making you pleasure me before I give you relief.  I just thought you would like to know.

Sincerely,

Me."

How do you think he would take it? 

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/4/2008 4:49:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: batshalom

willow, I understand about the need for your close relatives and friends to understand why you take orders and such. What I don't understand is that if you take orders in front of them, and if you and your Sir live a D/s dynamic openly, why it is necessary to write a letter instead of being as open about it in conversation as you are in living it? Furthermore, why do you have to say anything at all if it makes you uncomfortable to do so?

Address questions if they're asked and leave the rest if you feel sketchy about talking openly (which boggles me if you're living it openly).

There have been a bunch of studies done that show that people think they are being scrutinized far more than they really are. People tend to have an inflated sense of being in the spotlight. Your discomfort could come from believing that everybody knows, when in fact, no one notices.

I'm not a fan of having intimate conversations via letter. It seems a little sneaky and manipulative (unless the letter writer feels that there is a threat from the person to whom he or she is writing) since there is no way for the reader to take part in this "important conversation."

To whack somebody over the head with this kind of confession, and to not leave them room to ask questions or express fear or confusion or whatever, seems destructive to the relationship between the writer and reader. If there's no real relationship there to begin with, say an extremely dysfunctional relationship between mother and daughter, then there's no need to send the letter to begin with.

But that's just me.


Sometimes, a letter is a way of opening the channels of communication. Sometimes, it's a way to get out everything that you want and need to say BEFORE the other person cuts you off, sidetracks you, jumps on one thing you said and prevents you from successfully communicating the full train of thought and you find yourself defending yourself against something that's utterly beside the point.
Some people just plain communicate better and more successfully in writing than in person. I happen to be one of them, although I also communicate well in person...but it takes two to tango, and, for example, my mother does ALL the things I listed when I talk to her. Yes, there are verbal ways to try to fight that, but they don't always work, and certainly don't always work as easily and simply as just writing a letter does. A letter also allows you to go back and say "here was my point, here was what I actually said, not what you twisted what I said into meaning" in a way that eliminates or at least sharply minimizes that debate.

I am, by nature, an open person. Sex isn't just something I do, it's something I think a lot about, something I study; it's an interest, a hobby, and those things one DOES like to share with the people in one's life. Now, don't get me wrong...I choose the sort of friends that I don't HAVE to come out to as a rule, but life is funny, and it COULD happen that I make a friend and, yeah, coming out via letter might just be the easiest and least stressful way all around for that to happen.
And, after the thousandth comment about "why he puts up with me", it's kind of hard not to say "because that's our relationship dynamic and we LIKE it that way"...but saying that often opens the door to the response "well, what kind of relationship dynamic is THAT? How can it be HEALTHY?" and so on and so on, so one has to choose one's words carefully to not open that door, OR be prepared to go through it. Sometimes, writing that letter is, again, the most appealing option for handling what is likely to be an emotionally charged and therefore far from entirely rational conversation.

Once the letter is read, it is entirely and completely possible (and generally expected) for the reader to respond, to ask their questions, express their fears, etc, once they have the WHOLE story, and not the bit you get out before they freak.
You're right that people writing coming out letters do feel a threat...a threat that they won't get a chance to tell their side of the story in full, a threat that a stupid verbal misunderstanding could lead to needless tragedy...those threats don't mean they necessarily don't have good reason for wanting to come out even facing those threats - just that they need to find a way to, if possible, avoid those threats, and many find that writing a letter is a perfectly good way to that.

And, no, for the record, I told my parents and my friends about my bisexuality live and in person, and came out to those people I've come out to as kinked (including my mother) also live and in person, however, over something totally different, I did once resort to writing my mother a letter, because every time I tried to communicate in person, the attempt failed; she didn't hear what I was trying to say, I became too emotional myself to communicate clearly, etc. She read the letter, she thought about it for a long time, and she wrote me one in response which cleared up the matter in a way that few of our disagreements have EVER been resolved. I would absolutely do it again; it was good for both of us to be able to contemplate a difficult subject OUT of the emotional moment with the whole thing there in writing to keep our thoughts from being muddled with other issues and so the misunderstandings were kept at a minimum and relatively simple to clear up.

As for writing a letter that the real recipient will never see, many, many people have found just getting out what they want to say to be cathartic, or even just to release the constant pressure of the urge to say it in the face of consequences that really AREN'T worth dealing with. Just because it's not something you need to do, or something you feel would work for you, doesn't mean it isn't a totally valid and successful thing for other people to do.

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/4/2008 6:07:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantJenny

Sometimes, a letter is a way of opening the channels of communication. Sometimes, it's a way to get out everything that you want and need to say BEFORE the other person cuts you off, sidetracks you, jumps on one thing you said and prevents you from successfully communicating the full train of thought and you find yourself defending yourself against something that's utterly beside the point.
Some people just plain communicate better and more successfully in writing than in person. I happen to be one of them, although I also communicate well in person...but it takes two to tango, and, for example, my mother does ALL the things I listed when I talk to her. Yes, there are verbal ways to try to fight that, but they don't always work, and certainly don't always work as easily and simply as just writing a letter does. A letter also allows you to go back and say "here was my point, here was what I actually said, not what you twisted what I said into meaning" in a way that eliminates or at least sharply minimizes that debate.



I understand what you're saying, Jenny. My own mother is the same way. My attitude about attempting to communicate with her about issues she wants to "debate" (meaning criticize) is "Fuck it then" and I refuse to talk about it any more, unless it's to say "Until you can listen and speak with me like we are both mature women, I will not continue this conversation." And I stick to my guns.

Mothers and daughters. Ugh.

My position might seem a little more adamant than is warranted because in order to understand it, you'd have to understand how my mother had me under her thumb (and feeling guilty and worthless) for so MANY years. I found that by simply refusing to play the game I gained a freedom I didn't know existed. Being direct with her was the only way out of it, and stuff she and I both made her business (which really was none of her business) is less of a plague now that I don't take the easy way out with her. She hates it, of course, but she's getting more used to it and the happy part is that now that she has no choice but to treat me with the respect I need from her. It's a two-way street. My stronger position respects her too by expressing that I view her as a woman who is capable of reason and normalcy. When she acts unreasonably, I simply refuse to play her game. It wasn't easy but it was the only thing to do (for me).

I find that letter-writing perpetuates the "You're stronger than I am and I'm afraid you're going to walk all over me so here's a letter." My own pov for my own life, of course.

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/4/2008 6:20:42 AM   
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I understand what you're saying; I, too, have had to be direct with and get out from under my mother's thumb. At the same time, my mother was actually a very good parent overall and so I hestitate to go so far as "fuck it" and try to find ways to bridge the gap as much as I can.
For me, letter writing says, "I'm finding a way to facilitate our successful communication". Whatever works for you, you know?

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/4/2008 6:30:27 AM   
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Yep. ~smiling~

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/5/2008 10:53:11 AM   
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I'm just getting caught up on all the responses folks (after a full day of kink on Saturday and a full day of recovery Sunday). Thanks for chiming in on all sides of the matter. I think most of it has been covered, but I'll tell you the two main reasons I chose to come out.

Why I Came Out - Reason #1

The first time I came out was to a lesbian friend of mine with whom I'd developed a close friendship (and business relationship). We spend a ton of time together, driving back and forth from client sites for hours at a time. She began sharing about the frustrations and the eventual demise of her relationship with her partner. After several conversations, our relationship seemed to be moving more toward counselor/patient than friend/friend and I was contributing to that imbalance because I wasn't sharing anything about myself. About the same time, my wife had had a lesbian encounter and was trying to figure out her own orientation and I was wondering what it would mean for our relationship. In order to regain some balance with my friend and so that I could figure some things out on my own, I came out to her (in person). She hasn't had an issue with it and our friendship is better than ever.

Why I Came Out - Reason #2
After a time, it became clear that my wife and I would part amicably. My friends from college have gotten together for New Years every year for the last 23. We usually have maybe 25 college friends show up and maybe 30 kids for two days of fun. Some of my friends I'm very close with and some are good friends I see/talk to once a year. The ones who knew me best were going to want to know what the hell happened because they loved my ex and always saw us getting along well (which we did). My ex was okay with me telling them that she was a lesbian, but to me that held out the possibility that she would be seen as "the reason" that the marriage broke down when in truth it was both our orientations which factored in. The venue with all the people and kids there wasn't going to be conducive to coming out in person and, besides, I didn't want to make the whole New Years about our split. So, I wrote a letter a month or so in advance to my closest friends, gave them the scoop and gave them the time and space to process. I answered questions by phone or email for a bit afterward, talked about it in short side conversations during New Years and it's never been an issue since.

Since then, I've come out to maybe 6-8 more friends and, so far, I haven't been rejected by anyone. Of course, I always have my antennae up about who I tell and who I don't and I haven't had the guts to tell my family. I don't go into the details about the things I do, although I often tell them that I'm going to this event or that event or that I'm having a party for some of my kink friends, etc.

No one's ever under any obligation to come out. I just thought I'd expand on the letters in When Someone You Love Is Kinky that were helpful to me and see if they'd be helpful to others. I hope it gives those who want it:

1) A place to work out who they are
2) A place to see how other people might approach telling their partners, family or friends
3) A place to write out what they might like to say
4) A place for vanillas to get a different and hopefully deeper perspective of kink than media and movies provide
5) And a place for more than just kinksters

As Abe Lincoln said: "People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like."

Vice

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/5/2008 12:52:40 PM   
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Great idea!!!

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/5/2008 3:40:11 PM   
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I remember my cousin telling me one of his kids is gay.  I remember thinking why is he telling me this... I could care less whos dick goes where.

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RE: Coming Out Letters - 5/5/2008 7:03:32 PM   
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Thanks for the site.  I have submitted my letter.

I am in the situation right now where i have changed so much as a person that my freinds are starting to ask what happened to make me so much more confident.  I dont feel it is necessary to run around yellign from the roof tops that i am into BDSM but its who i am so why should i hide it? 

Sometimes words are harder to say than they are to write - and its harder to be interupted when you have written a letter.

Thanks again.
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