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Level -> Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 8:29:52 PM)

The United States spends a huge sum on its military. What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?
 
Here's a link to some numbers on military spending across the globe: http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp




Arpig -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 8:52:56 PM)

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What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?


Simple, Canada would invade & overrun you [:D]




Termyn8or -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 8:57:05 PM)

Would we still be able to get cheap drugs ?

T




Suzykeu -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 9:00:29 PM)

Massive unemployment?




Leatherist -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 9:02:11 PM)

A balanced budget.




christine1 -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 9:03:48 PM)

no more cheap drugs if you invade america, and you'll have to bow down to the goddess mcdonalds 3 times a day inside your electric car while whistling dixie the whole time.

p.s., it will also be required that you become obese and lazy like all other americans.

p.s.s  oh, and you have to hate foreigners too and talk about them whilst drinking overpriced starbucks coffee.

p.s.s.s  and nevermind the average joe who works his ass off to pay for everything with taxes and believes in family and good morals, he's just a myth ya know...just disregard it altogether.

ok...smoochies and welcome to america!




TheHeretic -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 9:06:59 PM)

       Carefully now, Level.  Those are a whole lot of union/prevailing wage jobs you are talking about.  Military hardware is one of the few things still mostly made here.




slavegirljoy -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 9:42:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Suzykeu

Massive unemployment?


Exactly!

2.3 million
military personnel (1.38 million active duty) -- 2005
700,000
civilians employed by DoD (not counting contractors) -- 2005

That's a lot of people who would lose their job.  Not to mention all of the humanitarian and peacekeeping missions that the military performs around the globe that would cease to operate and have to be picked-up by someone else.
 
joy
Owned servant of Master David




Archer -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 10:51:17 PM)

Add to that the basic premise that if the US is not at the top of the power to enforce politics by other means then someone else is. So you will have made China the world's largest military power by default. How would you imagine the geopolitical scene would turn out?

Just saying hey if I knew it was going to be someone like Iceland who had the world's largest military then I might be OK with the US not being in that spot. However there are more than a few nations who I would really rather not be the top of the military powers list. If the US moves down then someone(s) move up in ability to influence things militarily.




SirRober -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 10:56:07 PM)

As it currently is  the TOTAL military is Approx. 1.3 Million.......
from the cencus breau US pop is Apporx. 304 Million....
So that means about 4.5 military people per 1000



Fact in 1939 US pop TOTAL was 160 Million .....65 Million men
in 1939 military pop was 334,473..... mostly men
equals about 2.5 military persons per 1000.


Then December 7, 1941 happened.
 
Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.




Zensee -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/5/2008 11:58:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?


Simple, Canada would invade & overrun you [:D]


Quiet you fool! Let us pray they think you were joking.


Z.




rubberpet -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/6/2008 1:16:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

The United States spends a huge sum on its military. What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?
 
Here's a link to some numbers on military spending across the globe: http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp


This post should go under the WTF category!!! [sm=wtf.gif]

I'm not a supporter of either war (Afghanistan or Iraq), but I do believe that supplying and properly equiping our military should not be reduced or cut way back.  Our powerful military is a great deterent to countries that think about fucking with us.  While I agree that it is a great deal of money and could be used in other areas of our country, we won't have a country left if we cut back out military spending.  I'm all in favor of the 2 billion dollar stealth fighters and bombers...I'm in favor of $200 million F-22 Raptors to ensure our air superiority.  I'm in favor of million-dollar Tomahawk cruise missles.  I pay taxes like everyone else (except Wesley Snipes, of course), so I'm all for the military making up the largest part of the U.S. budget.  I don't know about most people, but I'll happily take freedom with a higher price tag than giving up my freedom for nothing.




meatcleaver -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/6/2008 1:47:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zensee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?


Simple, Canada would invade & overrun you [:D]


Quiet you fool! Let us pray they think you were joking.


Z.



Aren't 95% of Canadians camped within 150 miles of the boarder with bayonets fixed?




meatcleaver -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/6/2008 1:55:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirRober

As it currently is  the TOTAL military is Approx. 1.3 Million.......
from the cencus breau US pop is Apporx. 304 Million....
So that means about 4.5 military people per 1000



Fact in 1939 US pop TOTAL was 160 Million .....65 Million men
in 1939 military pop was 334,473..... mostly men
equals about 2.5 military persons per 1000.


Then December 7, 1941 happened.
 
Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.


You look at the material and the effort it took to mount the D-Day landings against a country that was haemoraging in the east and who lost the air and sea wars and you've got to ask, who the fuck has got what it takes to invade America?

Other than that all you need to be able to do is to nuke your enemy and no one is going to invade you. Considering the US, if it stopped its proliferagate ways, could be self sufficient, why is it worrying?

The truth is, the US military is not for defence but for exerting US power and its world view around the globe. It is an imperial force. The people around the world who support it are the corrupt who rely on American power for their own power which is why the US has such a bad image in the world.




phoenixinchains -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/6/2008 2:05:18 AM)

bad idea, bad bad idea.

i hate the war. Master joined before the war, to appease my family into signing for me to get married. the war has been horrible.

but if you want to take away what little money the soldier gets   away from them and their families, take many jobs, and that sence of security that canada won't take over, or china, you go right ahead.

just give me a heads up so that Wwe can go hole up on Oour mountain.




LadyEllen -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/6/2008 2:12:44 AM)

You dont need over a million personnel to defend the US; in fact you'd likely only need 100,000 professionals to operate all the vehicles and gadgetry and another 10,000 for service and support, with the small arms element of any defensive force made up from the well armed US citizenry. And thats only if anyone was foolish enough to be able to attack the US at all, since the US would have a General every bit as effective as the renowned General Winter of the Russian army. The only realistic prospect of successful military invasion would be to make two landings, each many more times larger than D-Day, one on the west and one on the east coast, keep the Canadians out of it and go like crazy whilst trying to maintain very long supply lines. But then, the organisation, resources, secrecy and multinational cooperation that would require makes it a realistic prospect only on paper.

What you need a massive military for, is to project power globally and like with our Empire, to maintain and extend one's commercial interests.

Many here complain vociferously about "the corporations", but when one considers that this mighty military is not defending the US, nor even bringing advantage to the ordinary US citizen, but is there to uphold the "right" of the corporations to rip someone off far outside the borders of the US, (the same corporations who rip off those within the borders of the US), it seems a little strange to celebrate such prowess.

Still, if the US didnt do it, then someone else would. Just as when we stopped playing Empire, someone else did.

E




SugarMyChurro -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/6/2008 3:09:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
If the military is a job creation scheme, it is hardly doing what it is supposed to do.


Seriously. What a nightmare!

Why not use that labor pool to fix the U.S. infrastructure that needs both repair and technological advancement? Where are the bullet trains between major cities that we need? Where are the solar energy farms that need building?

Etc.

All you have to do is dream a different dream.




phoenixinchains -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/6/2008 3:14:05 AM)

my Master joined the military before there was a war. He honored oathes and committments, even if it wasn't pretty.

Would you have said such an ugly distasteful thing if my Husband were a police officer?

Maybe someday you will know a love so beautiful that you would risk your very life in the name of it, but i cannot see that
if your soul is so polluted that you could slander a man you've never met.





Level -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/6/2008 3:46:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?


Simple, Canada would invade & overrun you [:D]

I KNEW it!!! Damn sneaky foreigners..... [8D]




Level -> RE: Demilitarizing America (5/6/2008 4:04:34 AM)

Good posts, all, I'll respond to some this evening. Thanks for participating.




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