Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Demilitarizing America


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> Demilitarizing America Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 8:29:52 PM   
Level


Posts: 25145
Joined: 3/3/2006
Status: offline 		The United States spends a huge sum on its military. What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?
 
Here's a link to some numbers on military spending across the globe: http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp

_____________________________

Fake the heat and scratch the itch
Skinned up knees and salty lips
Let go it's harder holding on
One more trip and I'll be gone

~~ Stone Temple Pilots
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 8:52:56 PM   
Arpig


Posts: 9930
Joined: 1/3/2006
From: Increasingly further from reality
Status: offline
quote:

What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?


Simple, Canada would invade & overrun you

_____________________________

Big man! Pig Man!
Ha Ha...Charade you are!

Why do they leave out the letter b on "Garage Sale" signs?

CM's #1 All-Time Also-Ran


(in reply to Level)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 8:57:05 PM   
Termyn8or


Posts: 18681
Joined: 11/12/2005
Status: offline 		Would we still be able to get cheap drugs ?

T

(in reply to Arpig)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 9:00:29 PM   
Suzykeu


Posts: 115
Joined: 4/17/2007
Status: offline 		Massive unemployment?

(in reply to Termyn8or)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 9:02:11 PM   
Leatherist


Posts: 5149
Joined: 12/11/2007
Status: offline 		A balanced budget.

_____________________________

My shop is currently segueing into production mode.

I'm not taking custom orders.

(in reply to Suzykeu)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 9:03:48 PM   
christine1


Posts: 6155
Joined: 12/15/2007
From: i'm headed to HIM...
Status: offline 		no more cheap drugs if you invade america, and you'll have to bow down to the goddess mcdonalds 3 times a day inside your electric car while whistling dixie the whole time.

p.s., it will also be required that you become obese and lazy like all other americans.

p.s.s  oh, and you have to hate foreigners too and talk about them whilst drinking overpriced starbucks coffee.

p.s.s.s  and nevermind the average joe who works his ass off to pay for everything with taxes and believes in family and good morals, he's just a myth ya know...just disregard it altogether.

ok...smoochies and welcome to america!

_____________________________

i am woman! er, godzilla! hear me roar!

http://wavcentral.com/cgi-bin/log/log.cgi?id=2856&sound=/sounds/movies/godzilla/roar.mp3


He's the "boom" overwhelming...

He is my Master, my lover, my best friend my everything.

(in reply to Termyn8or)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 9:06:59 PM   
TheHeretic


Posts: 19100
Joined: 3/25/2007
From: California, USA
Status: offline 		       Carefully now, Level.  Those are a whole lot of union/prevailing wage jobs you are talking about.  Military hardware is one of the few things still mostly made here.

_____________________________

If you lose one sense, your other senses are enhanced.
That's why people with no sense of humor have such an inflated sense of self-importance.


(in reply to Level)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 9:42:19 PM   
slavegirljoy


Posts: 1207
Joined: 11/6/2006
From: North Carolina, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Suzykeu

Massive unemployment?


Exactly!

2.3 million military personnel (1.38 million active duty) -- 2005
700,000 civilians employed by DoD (not counting contractors) -- 2005

That's a lot of people who would lose their job.  Not to mention all of the humanitarian and peacekeeping missions that the military performs around the globe that would cease to operate and have to be picked-up by someone else.
 
joy
Owned servant of Master David

(in reply to Suzykeu)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 10:51:17 PM   
Archer


Posts: 3207
Joined: 3/11/2005
Status: offline 		Add to that the basic premise that if the US is not at the top of the power to enforce politics by other means then someone else is. So you will have made China the world's largest military power by default. How would you imagine the geopolitical scene would turn out?

Just saying hey if I knew it was going to be someone like Iceland who had the world's largest military then I might be OK with the US not being in that spot. However there are more than a few nations who I would really rather not be the top of the military powers list. If the US moves down then someone(s) move up in ability to influence things militarily.

(in reply to slavegirljoy)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 10:56:07 PM   
SirRober


Posts: 364
Joined: 1/2/2006
Status: offline 		As it currently is  the TOTAL military is Approx. 1.3 Million.......
from the cencus breau US pop is Apporx. 304 Million....
So that means about 4.5 military people per 1000


Fact in 1939 US pop TOTAL was 160 Million .....65 Million men
in 1939 military pop was 334,473..... mostly men
equals about 2.5 military persons per 1000.

Then December 7, 1941 happened.
 
Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

< Message edited by SirRober -- 5/5/2008 10:57:57 PM >

(in reply to slavegirljoy)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/5/2008 11:58:00 PM   
Zensee


Posts: 1564
Joined: 9/4/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?


Simple, Canada would invade & overrun you


Quiet you fool! Let us pray they think you were joking.


Z.


_____________________________

"Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water." (proverb)

(in reply to Arpig)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/6/2008 1:16:23 AM   
rubberpet


Posts: 1743
Joined: 4/6/2006
From: The Land of Voodoo
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

The United States spends a huge sum on its military. What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?
 
Here's a link to some numbers on military spending across the globe: http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp


This post should go under the WTF category!!!

I'm not a supporter of either war (Afghanistan or Iraq), but I do believe that supplying and properly equiping our military should not be reduced or cut way back.  Our powerful military is a great deterent to countries that think about fucking with us.  While I agree that it is a great deal of money and could be used in other areas of our country, we won't have a country left if we cut back out military spending.  I'm all in favor of the 2 billion dollar stealth fighters and bombers...I'm in favor of $200 million F-22 Raptors to ensure our air superiority.  I'm in favor of million-dollar Tomahawk cruise missles.  I pay taxes like everyone else (except Wesley Snipes, of course), so I'm all for the military making up the largest part of the U.S. budget.  I don't know about most people, but I'll happily take freedom with a higher price tag than giving up my freedom for nothing.

_____________________________

Collared and devoted property of Mistress Lorelei (vampchick88) as of 3/26/08.

Rubberpet - The Resident Anti-Subby and mysterious shadowy figure known as Voodoo, proud hitman and wiseguy for the Subby Mafia.


(in reply to Level)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/6/2008 1:47:19 AM   
meatcleaver


Posts: 9030
Joined: 3/13/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Zensee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?


Simple, Canada would invade & overrun you


Quiet you fool! Let us pray they think you were joking.


Z.



Aren't 95% of Canadians camped within 150 miles of the boarder with bayonets fixed?

_____________________________

There are fascists who consider themselves humanitarians, like cannibals on a health kick, eating only vegetarians.

(in reply to Zensee)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/6/2008 1:55:05 AM   
meatcleaver


Posts: 9030
Joined: 3/13/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SirRober

As it currently is  the TOTAL military is Approx. 1.3 Million.......
from the cencus breau US pop is Apporx. 304 Million....
So that means about 4.5 military people per 1000


Fact in 1939 US pop TOTAL was 160 Million .....65 Million men
in 1939 military pop was 334,473..... mostly men
equals about 2.5 military persons per 1000.

Then December 7, 1941 happened.
 
Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.


You look at the material and the effort it took to mount the D-Day landings against a country that was haemoraging in the east and who lost the air and sea wars and you've got to ask, who the fuck has got what it takes to invade America?

Other than that all you need to be able to do is to nuke your enemy and no one is going to invade you. Considering the US, if it stopped its proliferagate ways, could be self sufficient, why is it worrying?

The truth is, the US military is not for defence but for exerting US power and its world view around the globe. It is an imperial force. The people around the world who support it are the corrupt who rely on American power for their own power which is why the US has such a bad image in the world.

_____________________________

There are fascists who consider themselves humanitarians, like cannibals on a health kick, eating only vegetarians.

(in reply to SirRober)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/6/2008 2:05:18 AM   
phoenixinchains


Posts: 2534
Joined: 4/5/2007
From: i live here
Status: offline 		bad idea, bad bad idea.

i hate the war. Master joined before the war, to appease my family into signing for me to get married. the war has been horrible.

but if you want to take away what little money the soldier gets   away from them and their families, take many jobs, and that sence of security that canada won't take over, or china, you go right ahead.

just give me a heads up so that Wwe can go hole up on Oour mountain.

_____________________________

OWNED BY CHAOSFORGE.
purrfectly happy slave of Chaosforge.


http://www.myspace.com/phoenixofchaosforge
devotee of CM gods and mods

(in reply to meatcleaver)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/6/2008 2:12:44 AM   
LadyEllen


Posts: 10931
Joined: 6/30/2006
From: Stourport-England
Status: offline 		You dont need over a million personnel to defend the US; in fact you'd likely only need 100,000 professionals to operate all the vehicles and gadgetry and another 10,000 for service and support, with the small arms element of any defensive force made up from the well armed US citizenry. And thats only if anyone was foolish enough to be able to attack the US at all, since the US would have a General every bit as effective as the renowned General Winter of the Russian army. The only realistic prospect of successful military invasion would be to make two landings, each many more times larger than D-Day, one on the west and one on the east coast, keep the Canadians out of it and go like crazy whilst trying to maintain very long supply lines. But then, the organisation, resources, secrecy and multinational cooperation that would require makes it a realistic prospect only on paper.

What you need a massive military for, is to project power globally and like with our Empire, to maintain and extend one's commercial interests.

Many here complain vociferously about "the corporations", but when one considers that this mighty military is not defending the US, nor even bringing advantage to the ordinary US citizen, but is there to uphold the "right" of the corporations to rip someone off far outside the borders of the US, (the same corporations who rip off those within the borders of the US), it seems a little strange to celebrate such prowess.

Still, if the US didnt do it, then someone else would. Just as when we stopped playing Empire, someone else did.

E

_____________________________

In a test against the leading brand, 9 out of 10 participants couldnt tell the difference. Dumbasses.

(in reply to rubberpet)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/6/2008 3:09:04 AM   
SugarMyChurro


Posts: 1912
Joined: 4/26/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
If the military is a job creation scheme, it is hardly doing what it is supposed to do.


Seriously. What a nightmare!

Why not use that labor pool to fix the U.S. infrastructure that needs both repair and technological advancement? Where are the bullet trains between major cities that we need? Where are the solar energy farms that need building?

Etc.

All you have to do is dream a different dream.

(in reply to meatcleaver)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/6/2008 3:14:05 AM   
phoenixinchains


Posts: 2534
Joined: 4/5/2007
From: i live here
Status: offline 		my Master joined the military before there was a war. He honored oathes and committments, even if it wasn't pretty.

Would you have said such an ugly distasteful thing if my Husband were a police officer?

Maybe someday you will know a love so beautiful that you would risk your very life in the name of it, but i cannot see that
if your soul is so polluted that you could slander a man you've never met.



_____________________________

OWNED BY CHAOSFORGE.
purrfectly happy slave of Chaosforge.


http://www.myspace.com/phoenixofchaosforge
devotee of CM gods and mods

(in reply to meatcleaver)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/6/2008 3:46:35 AM   
Level


Posts: 25145
Joined: 3/3/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

What would happen if we cut back, waaaaay back?


Simple, Canada would invade & overrun you

I KNEW it!!! Damn sneaky foreigners.....

_____________________________

Fake the heat and scratch the itch
Skinned up knees and salty lips
Let go it's harder holding on
One more trip and I'll be gone

~~ Stone Temple Pilots

(in reply to Arpig)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: Demilitarizing America - 5/6/2008 4:04:34 AM   
Level


Posts: 25145
Joined: 3/3/2006
Status: offline 		Good posts, all, I'll respond to some this evening. Thanks for participating.

_____________________________

Fake the heat and scratch the itch
Skinned up knees and salty lips
Let go it's harder holding on
One more trip and I'll be gone

~~ Stone Temple Pilots

(in reply to Level)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> Demilitarizing America Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094