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Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:09:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I watched a segment of Glenn Beck last night, so I did some reading. The similarities between 1938 and Iran are very weird, because they are very similar. Rather than go that direction, I thought a discussion about democracy in the middle east may be more relevant.

Can anyone name the countries in the Middle East that have democratically elected officials?

Can anyone name the countries of the Middle East that are run by those that believe in a fanatical ideology?

What type of military and economic power do these countries have?

Can anyone name the countries that wish the Jews removed from the Middle East or dead?

Are the Israeli people being blamed more today than they were 30 years ago?

Are there any other countries meddling in the Middle East, besides the United States?

If so, how are they meddling?

Hopefully people will do their own research and not go by what the media says, before they answer these questions.

Now the last one, how strongly do you believe in democracy and that everyone should live under that process to establish a government?



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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:16:32 AM   
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The similarities between 1938 and Iran are very weird, because they are very similar.



How strange  .



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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:19:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought so too, after doing about three hours of reading and research last night. But do you have any answers for the questions? Dig into those, because I am really interested in others opinion, especially dissenting ones. Most do not realize it, but dissenting opinions are absolutely necessary to making ideals and ideas better.


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The similarities between 1938 and Iran are very weird, because they are very similar.



How strange  .




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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:25:19 AM   
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Can anyone name the countries in the Middle East that have democratically elected officials?

Palestine.
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Can anyone name the countries of the Middle East that are run by those that believe in a fanatical ideology?

Israel
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What type of military and economic power do these countries have?

Depends what weapons you have sold them
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Can anyone name the countries that wish the Jews removed from the Middle East or dead?

No but I can name some key figures that have never spoken for all of their people
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Are the Israeli people being blamed more today than they were 30 years ago?

A state formed by terrorism has no real argument against terrorism
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Are there any other countries meddling in the Middle East, besides the United States?

Yes everyone is for some reason beyond my understanding, maybe because they hate to see people waste their lives


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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:26:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		You misunderstand me: I ask how you end up finding similarities between Iran, a country, and 1938, a year. For example, how do you feel about the Maldives and 1346?

As for your questions, I would have been more interested in reading how you answered them.

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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:29:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Steel, that is why I am asking them. In hopes more people research this and get a better understanding of what may occur in the near future, or what some are trying to keep from occuring as they see it. I am still not sure what to think of this, now that I see it, but I do know that it is concern of mine now.


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Wow does anyone else have something completely random they would like to contribute.

I will admit I don't know enough about your questions to give any worth while answers.

Steel


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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:32:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since you infer that you have seen the light following three hours of research on the internet, why don't you share your nuggets of wisdom with the rest of us?

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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:32:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		1) A radical ideology that wants the jews removed or slain.
2) A radical ideology that is extending it's influence via force to the countries around them.
3) A radical ideology that is seeking greater military force.
4) A radical ideology that attempts to control the minds of the people, into killing others on a large scale.

Those are just some of the ones that I saw. As far as your question, I do not know enough about the subject material to offer anything, and I am wondering how it related to the OP.

Why are you interested in my answers anyway? I am still doing research on the matter.



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You misunderstand me: I ask how you end up finding similarities between Iran, a country, and 1938, a year. For example, how do you feel about the Maldives and 1346?

As for your questions, I would have been more interested in reading how you answered them.


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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:34:26 AM   
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Why are you interested in my answers anyway? I am still doing research on the matter.





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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:34:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Please relate the phrase "I have seen the light." with my actual statement of "I thought so too, after doing about three hours of reading and research last night."

If you wish to just argue and stir shit, please find another topic. If you are interested in some discussion, by all means I await it.


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Since you infer that you have seen the light following three hours of research on the internet, why don't you share your nuggets of wisdom with the rest of us?


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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:38:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are not on Gor, so I would appreciate your not giving out orders to me - nobody's fooled by your transparent attempts at pushing forward the agenda that Iran is the new universal enemy.

It would have gone down better had you simply posted: "Iran is a country of bastards and they should all be nuked." At least, it would have been honest.

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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:43:09 AM   
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Can anyone name the countries in the Middle East that have democratically elected officials?

Palestine.


That is one I found, not to mention Lebanon and Israel.

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Can anyone name the countries of the Middle East that are run by those that believe in a fanatical ideology?

Israel


How is their ideology fanatical? I don't see it yet. But it does relate to one of the things that seems to align with 1938, and that is many people putting sole blame on Israel.

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What type of military and economic power do these countries have?

Depends what weapons you have sold them
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Can anyone name the countries that wish the Jews removed from the Middle East or dead?

No but I can name some key figures that have never spoken for all of their people


A ruler or head of a government, does speak for the people. Try to ignore the nits.
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Are the Israeli people being blamed more today than they were 30 years ago?

A state formed by terrorism has no real argument against terrorism


Many countries were formed by what some would call terrorism. So I take it you feel that Israel is to blame? Good illustration of what I have been reading so far.
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Are there any other countries meddling in the Middle East, besides the United States?

Yes everyone is for some reason beyond my understanding, maybe because they hate to see people waste their lives


Besides the US, who else do you see as major meddlers in the Mid East?



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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:43:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		It would be funny if it wasn't so sad because on the one hand he argues Iran has no democracy and on the other he states everyone in Iran hates Israel. How does one square those two contradictory standpoints? Who speaks for the people of Iran to say everyone there hates Israel? There is a lot of paranoia in the middle east that is the biggest problem.

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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:44:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm starting to think that serious discussion on these boards is dead, Orion. Gone to hell, for some unspeakable reason.

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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:46:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know I am not on Gor. If the chip on your shoulder is so large, you cannot recognize a request, don't blame me. Instead I will just use the report function when you wish to hijack and stir shit. Problem solved.

Your telepathy is not working because I do not believe Iran is a country of bastards and should be nuked. That comment of your just shows that you just want to stir up shit, and your moral superiority and personality flaws prevent intelligent discourse with you. Rather than be side tracked, I will just remove you from my reality.

Thanks for proving some of my points concerning you. I offered discussion, and you returned with what?


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You are not on Gor, so I would appreciate your not giving out orders to me - nobody's fooled by your transparent attempts at pushing forward the agenda that Iran is the new universal enemy.

It would have gone down better had you simply posted: "Iran is a country of bastards and they should all be nuked." At least, it would have been honest.


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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:47:22 AM   
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Israel excists 60 years now..was always hated by the Arabs....guess as much as 30 years ago..

What countries do meddle in the Middle East?Russia (ex-Afghanistan/Supporter of Syria and Iran)...the UK(Israel, Syria/Persia)...Turkey(Irak)

What type of military and economic power do these countries have?
Iran (nukes..soon), Oil (equals economic power), strength in numbers.
Saudi Arabea ; Oil and protection of the USA
Syria; economical  no clue actually, armed with old Russian weapons.
Irak; oil..and occupied by the USA and allies. More an internal fight then WW3 issue
etc etc


Who is Glen Beck?

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  That is one I found, not to mention Lebanon and Israel.

You always should wonder how free...are free elektions in the East and Africa.
OFten it goes similar like it went in Russia a month ago. They already knew who would win.


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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:48:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Where did I say everyone in Iran hates Israel? Iran is not a democracy. I take it you do not have any answers to the questions.

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It would be funny if it wasn't so sad because on the one hand he argues Iran has no democracy and on the other he states everyone in Iran hates Israel. How does one square those two contradictory standpoints? Who speaks for the people of Iran to say everyone there hates Israel? There is a lot of paranoia in the middle east that is the biggest problem.


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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:50:22 AM   
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Who is Glen Beck?



A loudmouth conservative cretin

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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:50:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Who is the Great Satan and must be destroyed? Do you believe that the religious fanatcism will just be contained in the Mid East should everyone but Mid easterners withdraw? What do you believe Iran may do if they gain nuclear weapons? Why do you believe they want them? How do you feel about democracy in the world?


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isn't everything afther WW2 ,  pre-WW3 ?  ;)

Israel excists 60 years now..was always hated by the Arabs....guess as much as 30 years ago..

What countries do meddle in the Middle East?Russia (ex-Afghanistan/Supporter of Syria and Iran)...the UK(Israel, Syria/Persia)...Turkey(Irak)

What type of military and economic power do these countries have?
Iran (nukes..soon), Oil (equals economic power), strength in numbers.
Saudi Arabea ; Oil and protection of the USA
Syria; economical  no clue actually, armed with old Russian weapons.
Irak; oil..and occupied by the USA and allies. More an internal fight then WW3 issue
etc etc


Who is Glen Beck?


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RE: Pre-World War 3 - 5/10/2008 8:52:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tend to agree. I rememember just a few months back, having disagreements with you and we never went for personal attacks, and usually ended with agreeing to disagree.


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I'm starting to think that serious discussion on these boards is dead, Orion. Gone to hell, for some unspeakable reason.


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