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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 7:35:18 AM   
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*hugssssssss Gwyn*
 
I hope the same for you.
 
A question for any wishing to answer....... is being with someone you enjoy, but isn't a "soulmate" settling, or is it enjoying what you have, while you have it? What if that "one" shows up...... this brings to mind Bridges of Madison County..... do you bite the bullet, like Streep did, or try for what might be the ultimate relationship for yourself?
 
Things like this make me wonder if the poly folks might have the right idea....

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 7:38:44 AM   
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So I guess my question to you all is.. have you or *do* you have some pre-concived notion of how love, or your romantic life is supposed to turn out that has held you back, or might be holding you back now?

What did you do to overcome it?

I'm home alone tonight, pet is out of town on business, so I guess I'll take a trip down melancholy lane with you.

I spent 15 or 20 years of my life looking for a 'soul mate.' A woman who'd be my perfect match. I let a wonderful woman walk away because I wouldn't compromise on having kids. I spent 5 years trying to get a woman I adored to enjoy enough power exchange to let me not have that need bothering me all the time.

I've had to accept that I'm not likely to find that perfect match. I have to learn to accept the really good match and be happy but I'm really having trouble with that.


I think that is all of our problems.. what is *enough* love? what is "The Perfect Match"

We find decent people that we share our lives with... our beds, our homes. Sometimes have children, or decide not to.. and when we get fidgety about things we think.. "Is this all there is" as the song goes.

I could never commit to my girl because I was not in love with her. I honestly loved her.. but I cared for her more as a parent then as anything else.

I have an friend from church who is in the middle of a crisis in her marriage of "Is this all there is" because she is unfulfilled on many levels with her husband.

I do not wish to Settle for someone who is totaly wrong for me.. but according to my stellar track record *chuckles a bit* I do not wish to pass up all of the good ones either.

Where is the happy medium?

I have never been a casual dater. I have been one of those *time to gasp in horor folks* Old fashioned gals who like a long courtship. None of this it has been 3 dates, time to put out silliness... who the fuck invented that? YUK! I am not so free with the Punani... you got to work at it. It is some *quality punani* Dontchya know!

*chuckles*

So I guess this whole set of questions is what drives so many to divorce, and break ups.. not to mention just being alone.

I am glad I brought this up. It was painful.. sort of like a hairball... but it needed to be brought up I think.

Gwyn,
Yeah I use humor to defuse situations.. so sue me. *winks*


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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 7:49:09 AM   
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*pictures Gwyn doing that scene in Shrek*  *snicker*

I know that I have a tendency to sabotage relationships, hurt them first before they hurt me.  yeah, I'm broken.  But at this age, who DOESNT have baggage?
I know I've missed / run off some potentially awesome partners because of this. I also recognize that I have sometimes chosen partners that were all wrong for me, so that I  could feel self-justifed in running them off.
but the key here is that NOW I am AWARE of these flaws in myself. I haven't gotten the broken parts fixed, but I am now usually aware of it so that I can say..hey, I'm having a broken moment - and hopefully, my partner will stick around and helpme through it.
As far as 'settling'... I don't see it as settling if both people are content within the relationship.  Nobody is perfect, we all have our flaws and idiosynchrasies, as wellas baggage.  The trick, IMO, is determining whether the person you are with is worth dealing with /overlooking those things. 
Not sure if this addressed your OP,Gwyn, but it's what spewed out (probably heavily flavored by my own situation at the moment..LOL)


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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 7:53:24 AM   
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Big hug to the OP..

I turn 42 in July this year.

Of this:

The first 17 years spent in fears and confusion...
The first 32 years never really knowing who I really was.
A little over 41 years of being afraid of myself, of showing everyone the real me.. and living the right way for me..

So much of this hidden within.. masks are useful..

It was the news of my death of my father last year and the subsequent permanent separation from half of my family which released me from the fears of rejection and emotional blackmail.. and the clarity of vision which brought that realization that I never once3 challenged, I never once questioned, and I held myself deep inside an an emotional hostage and prisoner all those years.

I deceived myself, through this others, most saw through this of course, but I could never find the words to explain what I felt inside, what I was afraid of.. when it was platonic it was okay, but when they got so close I felt unsure, scared, stifled, and I left.

I gave so much, but often didn't give the right things, find the right words.. Leaving broke a few hearts.. I never gave enough chances to others. It was good, but it could have been better.

Part of me feels so stupid for writing this.. maybe I should delete it.. But no.. So many here know what's been going on, and a few have been giving me support on the other side, for which I am truly grateful.. No more hiding.

Even since last November things have been difficult, but they're better, I'm rebuilding, I feel better than I have ever felt, I know I need to reach out more, give people more chances, come out of myself more, somehow try and find that confidence.

You see for so long I've been looking for support from someone else, thinking that it would make things easier for me, for her, for us. Support here in the emottonal support sense, and I would go off, find someone, anyone, just for that support. But maybe that support isn't support, but validation? What then? If it is validation, then am I really overcoming my own fears or simply kidding myself that I am? Who's fooling who here?

My support has been staring me in my face for so many years, for so long, it is my work, my artistic work. It is my creativity, it is my stability in my instability, my consistency in my inconsistency, and having realized this, things have changed, I'm still building, taking it slowly, but I know every step is a step in the right direction.

I've been waiting for that better me to emerge, but hey, I'm me, I'm the imperfect me, that's how it is, and how it will be.

What have I done to overcome it? By giving and sharing myself more, and also:

I put my belief in tomorrow
Though in my yesterdays I once felt pain
I put my belief in love
Hoping it will touch me again
I put my belief in believing
Though I know my heart has been broken
I put my belief in trust
Waiting for gentle words to be spoken
I believe in myself
And know there is much I can still achieve
I believe in my value to others
That''s why I can still believe

Edited due to the letters being too damn small to read what I was typing.. apologies for typos


Oh sweetie *Big Huge Hugs*

Things are hard for all of us in the whole love catagory.. but none so much for the GLBT and esp. T segment sometimes. I am sorry about your family. My girls family was awful.. and I never understood how anyone could be like that. I was *blessed* beyond understanding with my mother's continual love and guidance while she lived. I wish I could pass out one of her to every one who did not have an understanding parent in the GLBT community. It would heal so much.

One of my ex-girlfriends was transitioning so I know some of the ordeals. I wish you luck on that. It is very hard all the way around. Just know there is a shoe for every foot, and to never give up the faith.

As to the masks... I think we all for a time wear them.. they protect us, make us feel safe. But sadly in the end they actualy do more harm then good becuase the people who could love you and have those deep conections with you as friends or lovers will never see the real you or get to know the real you until you step out from behind the mask.

Years ago when I was so unhappy and going through changes in my life of moving away from every firend I had known ( negitive infulances) I had put up masks by my door to be a mental trigger to remind me to don my emotional one before I left each day. To put on that fake dazzeling smile I can have.. and to "act normal and happy" When I realized how damaging it was to me I burned them ( burning feathers smell awful BTW) and never again tried to do that.

I hope you become more comfortable with yourself.. and never question who you are but simply be.

Those who are comfortable in thier own skin are rarely questioned.

*hugs you again*

Be well my friend

Gwyn

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 7:57:00 AM   
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This was a very nice post, Gwyn.  i am hoping that your self-realizations will help you to have what you are seeking.  As for me, where matters of the heart are concerned, i have never been a very practical person.  i have always thrown myself into a relationship, given it all that i had to give, and hoped for the best.  Unfortunately, that technique hasn't usually paid off for me, in terms of finding that one true and everlasting relationship.  Although, now, i really think that my efforts might finally being working, as my Master and i are over the two-year mark and are now looking at houses.  That, and He has told me recently that He has decided to rescind my option to be able to ask Him for a release.  That tells me that He wants to keep me around.
 
As far as searching for that ideal mate goes, several years ago i was engaged to marry a nice guy, and he decided to call off the wedding.  When i asked him why, his answer was, "I'm worried that I will marry you and then the girl of my dreams will come into my life."  So, instead of having someone who would do whatever he wanted, he got nothing.  Well, maybe by now his 'dream girl' has come into his life.
 
And, as my Master said to me, "Sometimes we look for something that is impossible to find, and when we least expect it, something else comes into our lives and we find there is always new love in our hearts."
 
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I wonder how many times people have walked away like that ya know?

Your Master is a very smart and blessed man. His quote is wonderful. It realy spoke to me. it sumed up everything I tried to say. Thank you for that. Congratulations on your 2 year mark. *smiles*

Gwyn

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:02:50 AM   
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*hugs* I love tats that have meanings to it..

that passage I have always liked.

This is for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEUWFvT16f8

My personal fave angel.

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:14:08 AM   
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I think a lot of people who have had some seriously bad exp. have a there is no such thing as love outlook.

I am sorry that happened to you. I really am. It is not pity. Honestly no one gets pity from me.. it is a wasted emotion in my book.

but.. people do naturaly fall in and out of love. and as silly human creatures we often fool ourselves thinking we are in love.

We are oft times just *in love with love it's self* I love the concept of having a pretty woman on my arm. I am used to it. I feel sorta sucky going to events and galas with out one. I am the bloody token Lipstick Lez at most events. If I do not have a date on my arm folks wonder what is up.

In society we often equate our self worth with our arm candy, or our realtionship we are in.. Other equate us with our mates.. It is just how it is.

I think if you did a self invatory of the kind of girl you dated, and where it went wrong.. maybe you could bypass some of the drama.

Realtionships never work when either person is selfish. If that was the type of people in the realtionship.. then something has to change.

Communication is also key.

Good luck on this, or on your gaming.. how ever it turns out. *hugs*

Gwyn

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:17:19 AM   
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My strong need to protect myself from possible emotional pain has also meant that I have prevented myself from experiencing love. 


I think there has to be a balance... no risk no gain.. but then.. I dont want to be "shit all over the road sloppy in love" on the first date either. LOL

There is emotional pain no matter what we do. It is "the Human condition" it would seem. Some times it just hurts more.

as they say all knowledge is good to have. at least with relationship pain sometimes it teaches us lessons if we are smart enough to learn from it.

Good luck out there sweetie.

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:28:22 AM   
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So I guess my question to you all is.. have you or *do* you have some pre-concived notion of how love, or your romantic life is supposed to turn out that has held you back, or might be holding you back now?



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My strong need to protect myself from possible emotional pain has also meant that I have prevented myself from experiencing love. 


That's from where my realization has come. It was my hobble for many years. I went to therapy. That helped some. But the main way I overcame it was to step out of myself and look at myself from someone else's pov (thanks, King).

I realized that I am just fine by myself, being alone is better than settling, and that not everyone is going to like me ... which is totally ok! The kick is, though, that I have to be open to love when it happens instead of trapped in the notion that it's only going to hurt. For me, that means being strong in who and what I am, taking pride in who and what I am, and letting the rest fall where it will.


Oh you are wicked smart.. and a total doll. ( btw your email isnt working dear)

Love does hurt when it ends.. or it isnt equal.. but it is grand while it lasts.. and it is always a good lesson to get us to the next step.

I think we all have to some how gird up our courage.. and make a pact with ourself to be fearless in the face of love at times. ( not stupid mind you.. just fearless )

I for one and sick and tired of being scared of being hurt. I have already been as crushed as the universe can crush me with Rael.. so wtf is left?

If I can hop onto the back of a huge steed and barrel across a field in armor with a sword to go bash on people.. I can bloody well do this. ( and so can all of you )

Boudica,
er.. I mean Gwyn...


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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:31:45 AM   
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I am a piece of work.   Think I am fragmented thoughts on the board?  It is worse face to face.

On being kept.   No. I had a bf that acted like $20 was holding the world up.  I would not want that to be needed.

Where I errord, in my 30s I was aggressive  at dating.    Men have a way of asking one out with out saying those words. I was too dumb to say yes.

Back to me.  Out of 100 guys,  maybe 3 would be mentally stimulating, masculine enuff to be attractive, but gay enough to be fun.

So Gwen,  you missed dirty socks thrown everywhere.   Let someone else do his laundry.   There is beauty in enjoying self. :-)



*smiles and chuckles*

Oh no honey.. I would bust someones ass over laundry being on the floor. I am a clean freak. OCD style. You have no idea.

*chuckles*

You couldnt pay me to be a gay male.. I am one picky biotch when it comes to my mens.

Gwyn

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:37:46 AM   
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*hugssssssss Gwyn*
 
I hope the same for you.
 
A question for any wishing to answer....... is being with someone you enjoy, but isn't a "soulmate" settling, or is it enjoying what you have, while you have it? What if that "one" shows up...... this brings to mind Bridges of Madison County..... do you bite the bullet, like Streep did, or try for what might be the ultimate relationship for yourself?
 
Things like this make me wonder if the poly folks might have the right idea....


I did find my soulmate.. but the bugger is married. We thought about giving it a go.. tried to get his wife on board.. but the shrew wouldnt go for it.. and threatened all sorts of unpleantness if we stayed even friends. He currently lives within walking distance of my new place. ~ it was a driving point of my reflections last night.

I couldnt hurt him by having to put up with her crazy routine.. and he didnt want to hurt her. We love one another beyond all reason. But unless she sets out infront of a city bus.. it is a no go. For a while there I had Acme on speed dial for a anvil air drop delivery. but I simply gave up. My soul mate for this go round is taken up by an awful woman. I am screwed.

Maybe we get more then one? the universe couldnt be that cruel could they?

Gwyn

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:39:26 AM   
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My strong need to protect myself from possible emotional pain has also meant that I have prevented myself from experiencing love. 


I realized that I am just fine by myself, being alone is better than settling, and that not everyone is going to like me ... which is totally ok! The kick is, though, that I have to be open to love when it happens instead of trapped in the notion that it's only going to hurt. For me, that means being strong in who and what I am, taking pride in who and what I am, and letting the rest fall where it will.


How very true Batshalom.  My belief is that I needed a long time to heal from hurt that I experienced in an early relationship and I have used this time to get to know myself and to learn to love myself. Now I am ready to be one with the world....smiles

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:39:28 AM   
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Hmm what scene in shrek? ( love the movies.. I got the red hair ya know! )

and yes honey that did answer it... *hugs*

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:43:07 AM   
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There is emotional pain no matter what we do. It is "the Human condition" it would seem. Some times it just hurts more.
as they say all knowledge is good to have. at least with relationship pain sometimes it teaches us lessons if we are smart enough to learn from it.
Good luck out there sweetie.
Gwyn


smiles...thankyou Gwynvyd.  I like to think that maybe up until now I wasn't ready to open myself up to all the universe has to show me.... now not only am I ready but more importantly, I am willing to experience whatever life has to offer.

This is a beautiful and life-affirming thread.  Thankyou Gwyn.

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:44:38 AM   
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Hmm what scene in shrek? ( love the movies.. I got the red hair ya know! )

and yes honey that did answer it... *hugs*

Gwyn


Where Puss in Boots is going to fight with Shrek...but has to stop tohack up a hairball....*LAUGHS*  my favorite scene (you can't tell me Antonio has never lived with cats, after THAT scene!)


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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 8:53:00 AM   
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*hugssssssss Gwyn*
 
I hope the same for you.
 
A question for any wishing to answer....... is being with someone you enjoy, but isn't a "soulmate" settling, or is it enjoying what you have, while you have it? What if that "one" shows up...... this brings to mind Bridges of Madison County..... do you bite the bullet, like Streep did, or try for what might be the ultimate relationship for yourself?
 
Things like this make me wonder if the poly folks might have the right idea....

For a long time I thought of it as settling and wouldn't do it. Then I met a woman who I loved beyond all reason. The hangup was she was sexually very vanilla. So I decided I would try and make a go of it. For 5 years I tried to suppress my needs in this regard and one day I found myself fantasizing about not just dominating my lover but beating her savagely. I was shaken to the core by the realization that I was coming to hate her for what I knew she could never give me. The hardest thing I've ever done is leave her.

So I went back to 'no settling for me' and that got me some years of loneliness and unhappiness. Ultimately I've come to realize that I have to accept some 'imperfections' in my relationships in order to be happy. I guess you just have to know what you can live with and what you can't.

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 9:08:15 AM   
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i realize im too sexy to wear bra's
i realize my boobs are too small for them anyway a lowsy B and an A
i realize my hair makes people melt
i realize doctors dont know shit...after all im 37 and they said i'd die by age 20!
i realize my tattoo's are hot looking just like i am
i realize that you are staring at my boobs right now...perv!



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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 9:49:35 AM   
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right now in my life everything is coming to a head and it is all going to have to squeeze through that tiny pinhole to get to the other side of what is in store for me next.  i have no idea what is in store for me, i'm trying like hell to climb this hill to see over the horizon and it's almost killing me.  i will do it though.

i've had years of self doubt that hold me back and i dont' want to do that anymore.  i've let so many good men walk away becuase in the back of my mind i was thinking that they wouldn't want me anyway, so i might as well not bother to try it at all.  last night i said enough to this after reading your post Gwynn. your post and a certain man i've been talking with have made me realize a few things.

i'm going to go for it and work as hard as i can to get these walls down becuase im' tired of being lonely and this next part of my life isn't going to be filled with loneliness if i can help it.  i'm trying so hard to get out of the sabotaging thoughts and think forward and have hope.  it almost hurts mentally it is so challenging for me.  it is such a new way of thinking for me, but this kind of pain feels good...an emotional growing pain of sorts.

i'm almost 42 and even though i plan on living forever lol, i know it's time to get that ball rolling.
no more hiding in the corner, to shy to talk or be seen. 
i'm done being the wallflower,
i'm done being the hermit,
i'm done hating myself,
i'm done being afraid to extend a hand in friendship in fear it might turn into something else. 

i'm ready to live again.
hope is a glorious thing.

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 9:54:52 AM   
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*hugs* Christine..good for you :)

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RE: Realizations - 5/11/2008 10:00:26 AM   
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*hugssssssss Gwyn*
 
I hope the same for you.
 
A question for any wishing to answer....... is being with someone you enjoy, but isn't a "soulmate" settling, or is it enjoying what you have, while you have it? What if that "one" shows up...... this brings to mind Bridges of Madison County..... do you bite the bullet, like Streep did, or try for what might be the ultimate relationship for yourself?
 
Things like this make me wonder if the poly folks might have the right idea....


I did find my soulmate.. but the bugger is married. We thought about giving it a go.. tried to get his wife on board.. but the shrew wouldnt go for it.. and threatened all sorts of unpleantness if we stayed even friends. He currently lives within walking distance of my new place. ~ it was a driving point of my reflections last night.

I couldnt hurt him by having to put up with her crazy routine.. and he didnt want to hurt her. We love one another beyond all reason. But unless she sets out infront of a city bus.. it is a no go. For a while there I had Acme on speed dial for a anvil air drop delivery. but I simply gave up. My soul mate for this go round is taken up by an awful woman. I am screwed.

Maybe we get more then one? the universe couldnt be that cruel could they?

Gwyn


You listen to me, and listen good *smiles*...... I can ASSURE you that there is more than one. Promise.
 
I know I'm prying, but why won't he leave her?

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Fake the heat and scratch the itch
Skinned up knees and salty lips
Let go it's harder holding on
One more trip and I'll be gone

~~ Stone Temple Pilots

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