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slaveluci -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:09:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou The reason so many people there don't have college educations, is because the ones that graduate from college leave. Most of my family has left there Exactly. The economy, unemployment, etc. is so horrendous there that I myself and many, many others have been forced to leave to make a good living. (I left this time by choice but I've left and gone back several times before). It's a beautiful, peaceful place unlike any other in which I've ever lived. The fact that people who would die before making a disparaging comment against other races, religions, orientations but find it humorous and cute to make sickening, disparaging comments about poor whites (who make up the majority of WV) is mind-blowing to me. Typical but sad nonetheless. quote: I don't see it as any more bigots there than I do anywhere else in the U.S. There are people in every state in the US who didn't vote for Obama because he's black or because they fear he's Muslim, etc. No one talks about NY'ers, Floridians, Californians, Texans, etc. who feel that way. But if a poor white WV'ian says it, well who wouldn't have known that anyway. They're all uneducated, racist inbreds. It's just a sign of their own ignorance when they say/think such nonsense. Here's to WV, slaveboy[image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/buddies.gif[/image].................luci

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:14:56 PM)
quote: their own ignorance when they say/think such nonsense. Here's to WV, slaveboy[sm=buddies.gif].................luci Cheers! I am going back up there this year for my cousin's wedding. He's living in Maryland now, but he chose to have it WV. I'm looking forward to it. I haven't had a real pepperoni roll in a couple of years.

lronitulstahp -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:18:55 PM)
slaveluci...you have mail

Imperiella -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:25:35 PM)
I prefer Obama as a candidate but this is probably a sign that he is not the most effective front runner. I imagine that republicans are even more racist than dems so if 20% of dems in WV say race is a factor then at least 30% of repubs across the nation are going to feel the same way.

Alumbrado -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:36:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Brrrrr (wasn't Deliverance set in Georgia?). Not kinda sorta really but mostly... Some of the artifacts in the movie, like the town where Dickey himself had a cameo as sheriff (Sylva), and the family name of Queen are straight out of Western North Carolina. The river footage is definitely north Georgia, and the famous 'Dueling Banjos' was from Juilliard. [:D]

TheHeretic -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:39:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Imperiella I imagine that republicans are even more racist than dems Whoop! There it is!

celticlord2112 -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:42:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Lets hope the other 80% arent so racist. A persons colour or gender has nothing to do with their ability. Racism has nothing to do with it. Obama chose to run as a hyphenated American (Black-American, African-American, what ever the PC label is this week). I'm not a Caucasian-American, or even a Celtic-American; I am an American, no more, no less. My President will likewise be an American, no more, no less. Obama put the race card in play. He should not complain that it does not work in his favor.

Alumbrado -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:45:48 PM)
Riiiight... Obama 'put the race card in play' because he let himself get so tan...[8\|]

lronitulstahp -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:48:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Lets hope the other 80% arent so racist. A persons colour or gender has nothing to do with their ability. Racism has nothing to do with it. Obama chose to run as a hyphenated American (Black-American, African-American, what ever the PC label is this week). I'm not a Caucasian-American, or even a Celtic-American; I am an American, no more, no less. My President will likewise be an American, no more, no less. Obama put the race card in play. He should not complain that it does not work in his favor. trust me on this...i would LOVE for people to see me as just an American. i think the thing is, because you aren't the type of person to allow race to be an issue for you, you can't fathom how big of an issue it is for others. Some people make sure i know every single day, i am a" hyphenated" american.

cloudboy -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:52:04 PM)
Racism is most certainly in play. About WV: .....West Virginia. The state's population is older, whiter, poorer and worse educated than most of the rest of the nation -- all demographics that have flocked to Clinton in primaries so far. This may be the state where one of the Clinton campaign's arguments about electability -- if you don't win the state in the primary, you can't win it in the general election -- comes closest to being true. West Virginia casts a bigger shadow in Democratic history than it should based on its size; John F. Kennedy's win here in the 1960 primary helped prove a Catholic could win the presidency. But candidates either connect with voters here or they don't, and right now, Obama isn't. I found this view from a WV resident to be illuminating about the above: >This nation's Original Sin (as Condi put it) still has remnants even to this day. As a black person living in rural area (but who came from a city) I am well aware of people with attitudes like this. They're typically decent folks, but they cannot get over the things they were taught all their lives. Most of them know or think its an incorrect viewpoint and maybe they're wrong but they just can't get used to it any other way.<

celticlord2112 -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:52:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Riiiight... Obama 'put the race card in play' because he let himself get so tan...[8\|] Guess again. His words did it. Even before his pal Jeremiah Wright threw him under the bus, but especially afterwards, Obama chose to speak as a Black who happened to be American, rather than an American who happened to be Black. The second would have been electable. The first is just another Democratic buffoon.

cloudboy -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 7:54:38 PM)
quote: His words did it. Pony up and show us the quote.

Alumbrado -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 8:11:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Riiiight... Obama 'put the race card in play' because he let himself get so tan...[8\|] Guess again. His words did it. Even before his pal Jeremiah Wright threw him under the bus, but especially afterwards, Obama chose to speak as a Black who happened to be American, rather than an American who happened to be Black. The second would have been electable. The first is just another Democratic buffoon. Save the pretzel logic for someone who will fall for it.

TheHeretic -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 8:12:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: His words did it. Pony up and show us the quote. Here are a couple... From HuffingtonPost, video is there as well. I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Patton's Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas. I've gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the world's poorest nations. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slaveowners - an inheritance we pass on to our two precious daughters. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America. can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother

kittinSol -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 8:12:54 PM)
Not trying to hijack, but what's pretzel logic? (It sounds marvellous, by the way.)

Alumbrado -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 8:14:35 PM)
quote: I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Patton's Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas. I've gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the world's poorest nations. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slaveowners - an inheritance we pass on to our two precious daughters. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America. can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother Oh, it doesn't get more racist than that.... now all CL has to do is prove that not one single person had ever remarked upon Obama's race before he 'put it into play', and we are all set...[8\|]

Alumbrado -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 8:17:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Not trying to hijack, but what's pretzel logic? (It sounds marvellous, by the way.) Exactly what the two words together imply....twisted out of shape, stuck loosely together, and half-baked.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 8:19:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: His words did it. Pony up and show us the quote. I'll be nice and do your homework for you: quote: I was drawn to the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change. Out of necessity, the black church had to minister to the whole person. From his self-congratulatory "The Audacity of Hope." Apparently, white churches are only about Sunday services. quote: My parents shared not only an improbable love, they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation. They would give me an African name, Barack, or blessed, believing that in a tolerant America your name is no barrier to success. They imagined me going to the best schools in the land, even though they weren't rich, because in a generous America you don't have to be rich to achieve your potential. From the 2004 Democratic Convention. What made his parent's affections "improbable"? Race, of course. quote: Race is still a powerful force in this country. Interview with the LA Time, Dec 11, 2006. Those are just the quotes from before the campaign began in earnest. Add to that his hours long Wright apology he inflicted on the American public, which dragged race front and center and nailed it there until November.

kittinSol -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 8:21:44 PM)
I like the way it sounds. Definitely something that will come in handy :-) .

TheHeretic -> RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in their vote (5/13/2008 8:23:46 PM)
Barry's genesis myth has been in play as long as I've been aware of him as a public figure. That particular speech struck a very bad chord with me though. More what he didn't say, that a potential supporter needed to hear, and as a paradigm of his approach to divisive issues.

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