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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:27:33 PM   
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I don't see it as any more bigots there than I do anywhere else in the U.S.

There are people in every state in the US who didn't vote for Obama because he's black or because they fear he's Muslim, etc.  No one talks about NY'ers, Floridians, Californians, Texans, etc. who feel that way.  But if a poor white WV'ian says it, well who wouldn't have known that anyway.  They're all uneducated, racist inbreds.  It's just a sign of their own ignorance when they say/think such nonsense.  Here's to WV, slaveboy.................luci


Texas is EXTREMELY racist, to the point where many of them dont even realize they are doing it. This isnt inbred trailer trash either, a lot of these racists have doctoral degrees and seven figure incomes. I have a guy that I provided some insurance company mandated training to in his personal Pilatus PC-12. (Basically before they would cover him to fly it alone - they required him to have 50 hours with an instructor - for which I charged him $200 per hour). This is a very expensive turboprop aircraft that has a direct operating cost of over $550 an hour, which is his personal toy, so this guy has some serious bucks.... He saw a black man preflighting a Cessna 310 and said "well fancy that a flying coon"... The African American man in question I recognized as a  NASA astronaut, and I pointed out that he was a space shuttle pilot. Rather then being embarassed my student remarked "I thought they were done shooting monkeys into space before they sent John Glenn up." I was in a BBQ resteraunt in Vidor, Texas when two cops, one white the other black, pulled in for lunch. (Vidor is a sunset town) The white DPS officer (Texas equivelant of a "State Trooper / Highway Patrol") was told "You can stay but yer ape has to stay out in the car..." Surprisingly both cops left - with nobody arrested.  `Pasadena PD will literally beat you to death if you piss them off, a few months ago nooses have been hung in Pearland HS as their statement on the Jenna Six incident, there was the dragging death in Jasper a couple of years ago, last year there was the kid up in either Spring, Conroe, or the Woodlands (I forget which) buttfucked with a patio umbrella at a graduation party for kissing a white girl,,.. As recently as 1981 - several hundred armed Klansmen openly descended on Kemah and Seabrook to drive the Vietnameese shrimp fisherman out. (Hence the Bruce Springsteen song "Galveston Bay") So West Virginia by no means has a corner on the racism market and I think that if the white west virginians wont vote for Obama there are probably 10 times more racists in Texas. Then of course there is Lousiana (home of David Duke and where the Jenna Six incident happened), Arkansas where the Natl Klan is headquartered, Mississipi, etc.... I REALLY do not think Obama is the least bit electable! That aside however, I DO believe he is a muslim. Even his "Christian Preacher" is awfully chummy with Farrakhan of the "Nation of Islam" (Note thats not "the nation of baptist" ;)                     

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:29:23 PM   
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Cross West Virginia off the list of possible swing states if Obama is the Dem nominee, the state will stay red. The state which has two Democrat senators and a Democrat governor, was a Bush state that the Democrats were targetting for November.

But in a shocking exit poll in the primary, more than 20% of white, middle and lower class Democrat voters in West Virginia admitted to pollsters that they will never vote for Barak Obama....not because of any one issue....but because he is black.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=4844868&page=1

Obama is going to have a lot of trouble in November in rural areas of the country.


I'm surprised that 20% of the West Virginian whites actually admitted that they don't like Obama because of race.  Usually they'd just HIDE that ACTUALLY being a factor, and TRY to attack you on OTHER character attributes that are NOT race-related, eventhough race IS INDEED the motivation for disliking him...and NEVER admit that they are uncomfortable being around a non-white that is superior to them in so many things such as character, career, etc.  (Not that I'm totally pro-Obama due to his lack of experience, but you gotta admit he is doing pretty good for himself, eventhough he is a member of the most-chastised minority group of one of the most historically racist countries in the world...that takes a lot of strength.  I can only imagine...  And these uneducated rednecks having less excuses at failure being part of the majority race, wallowing in their own vomit and not in control of their lives, narrow-minded, insecure, not in control of their own destiny.. I tell you this redneck country is going down the tubes!)  Guess it's too much for their little minds to accept, I mean they've been brought up in a dirt barn and taught to feel that whites are superior in every way.  Their only experience with other races is by watching movies, which perpetuate stereotypes.  God help these narrow-minded rednecks who desperately need edumacation if their tiny little bubble be burst!     I suppose West Virginia is Redneck enough that 20% actually can openly proclaim their racism out in public without repercussions from the non-whites around.  I'd be interested to see how the actual vote comes out, 20% or much greater than 20%.  In my opinion, rednecks will be digging their graves this November, as voting for Republicans will only further worsen their lower to middle class asses situation.     This country is going down, I tell you.  And it won't be because of the more educated and enlightened populations of the states that typical vote Democratic.  (new york, ehrm, california, ehrm).  I'd start preparing myself to move to China,etc. or some of the up and coming world players.  This race issue is so dead.  Get over their racism, give up the stereotypes, or suffer the consequences of another Republican term. bye bye America's future.  Bush really fucked all of the lower to middle class rednecks over.  Funny how stubborn and stupid they still are.  LMAO

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:30:42 PM   
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I'll be nice and do your homework for you:

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I was drawn to the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change. Out of necessity, the black church had to minister to the whole person.


From his self-congratulatory "The Audacity of Hope."  Apparently, white churches are only about Sunday services.



And apparently in your view, going to an African American church makes one black? 


You've certainly done our homework for us... but you aren't going to like what it adds up to.





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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:31:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only thing that is surprising to me here is that more people don't admit this.

I give West Virginians points for being unusually honest about how morally repugnant humanity is.


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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:31:08 PM   
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Not trying to hijack, but what's pretzel logic? (It sounds marvellous, by the way.)


Exactly what the two words together imply....twisted out of shape, stuck loosely together, and half-baked.

You have me confused with your run of the mill Democrat....


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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:34:47 PM   
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The only thing that is surprising to me here is that more people don't admit this.

I give West Virginians points for being unusually honest about how morally repugnant humanity is.



Hate to say this, but it was almost refreshing in the old days when racists just came out and bragged about it, instead of hiding behind sophomoric debate tactics, and pretending that 'they aren't racists buuuut'...

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:34:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		From a white republican West Virginian isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?  pun intended. 

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The whole idea that black voters shouldn't vote for Obama on the basis of his skin shade rests on the notion that the voters in question have to be somehow more 'deserving' than their white counterpart. It's as if the white whiners expect the black electorate to show a higher level of ethics when they vote, which is, of course, absurd.

Edited because.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:36:51 PM   
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And apparently in your view, going to an African American church makes one black?


You've certainly done our homework for us... but you aren't going to like what it adds up to.

*Yawn*

If you are done being silly, perhaps you'll care to actually read the words.  The unavoidable implication is that the "black" church does something the "white" church does not.  Churches are indeed a laudable support system in all communities.  Black churches are not remarkable in this regard.


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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:38:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		By the way, I would vote for Obama before Clinton, because I hate Hillary Clinton.  I wouldn't vote for Obama in any other case, because he is the most liberal Senator we have.

Now, to counter all those who say that white republicans are all racist, I would just like to say: my dream candidate is Condi Rice.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:41:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it is possible that some areas in the south are still racial; however, this has also worked to Obama's advantage in reverse.
If we do not unite soon, we are going to have another Republican President in the white house.
 
I am not sure how I am going to vote.  I am a woman and have flip flopped back and forth between all three of them.   Hilary's momentum picked up too late largely due to Bill's involvement in the campaign.  In my opinion, he really hurt her.
 
Only time will tell.
 
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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:44:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		put condi rice and colin powell on a ticket and they'd probably do pretty well in the office.  i honestly don't see why anyone is remotely surprized by this outcome.  i'm white, three of my kids are black and in this supposedly enlightened day and age we get it from all sides.  whites that think they should have been adopted by "their own kind" and blacks who tell my kids they're not black enough because they have white parents.  until humans stop breathing, someone will always be prejudiced against someone else for some stupid reason.
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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:45:13 PM   
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And apparently in your view, going to an African American church makes one black?


You've certainly done our homework for us... but you aren't going to like what it adds up to.

*Yawn*

If you are done being silly, perhaps you'll care to actually read the words.  The unavoidable implication is that the "black" church does something the "white" church does not.  Churches are indeed a laudable support system in all communities.  Black churches are not remarkable in this regard.



That 'implication' isn't unavoidable to an open mind, any more than having a father from a Muslim country unavoidably implies that one is a 'Moozlim terrist'.... sorry you have chosen to opt out of being open minded.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:49:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Him talking about his heritage and the choices he made growing up does not in any way approximate "the race card."

On the other hand, Obama's opponents who mine his black past and black associations to scare "white voters" or to impute Obama with an ethnic agenda --- are playing "the race card." (Guilt by association.)

Obama doesn't talk about his past to gain an advantage or to put whites on the defensive, he talks about it to reveal who he is. Naturally the revelation is going to be, "I'm a black man."

The question is, can white voters realize he's a black man and still vote for him? WV suggests that uneducated whites can't.

Your response is a swing and a miss here, because you have evinced no fundamental understanding of what the "race card" is.

Obama is not running as a "black" candidate or with a "black agenda" or with an anti-white bias --- he's running as a black man. This simple immutable fact is why he lost in WV, that and the fact that Clinton has played the race card against him (Reverend Wright). The opponents of Lincoln, when he ran for President used a similar tactic to spook voters, claiming that Lincoln "supported" John Brown.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 8:53:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because 20% of dems in WV said that they wouldn't vote for him because he's black doesn't mean that white people wouldn't vote for a black man.

That's very weak logic.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 10:52:50 PM   
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Brrrrr (wasn't Deliverance set in Georgia?).



Not kinda sorta really but mostly...

Some of the artifacts in the movie, like the town where Dickey himself had a cameo as sheriff (Sylva), and the family name of Queen are straight out of Western North Carolina.

The river footage is definitely north Georgia, and the famous 'Dueling Banjos' was from Juilliard. 





The River footage is indeed North Georgia, and more specifically, sections four and five of the Chattooga River. The sliding waterfall section is the famous Tullulah Gorge { Tullulah River}.

And I just want to mention.....I spent about seven months in VA/WV back in 1986-87 after I got out of the Marines, and to this day remember all the good people and hospitality I met/received while there. The whole ignorant hick thing is a sham/way over-blown. If I was going to move east....it would be in that region.






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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/13/2008 11:17:26 PM   
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Keep in mind though that this is a state that has kept electing a former Klansman for the past 50 years... Senator Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK in his youth. And carried a pretty high rank in that group being a leader of one of the KKK's chapters. Yeah, i know he says today it was a big mistake and was a victim of his youthful ignorance. But still he's the only active member of Congress that has ever been directly a part of the KKK.



Is this the Senator Robert Byrd who is a Democrat?

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 12:55:43 AM   
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Lets hope the other 80% arent so racist. A persons colour or gender has nothing to do with their ability.


Racism has nothing to do with it.  Obama chose to run as a hyphenated American (Black-American, African-American, what ever the PC label is this week).  I'm not a Caucasian-American, or even a Celtic-American; I am an American, no more, no less.  My President will likewise be an American, no more, no less.

Obama put the race card in play.  He should not complain that it does not work in his favor.



Saying " I wont vote for candidate X because he is black " is racist. Try and spin that all you like, but it wont wash.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 1:10:23 AM   
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Lets hope the other 80% arent so racist. A persons colour or gender has nothing to do with their ability.


Racism has nothing to do with it.  Obama chose to run as a hyphenated American (Black-American, African-American, what ever the PC label is this week).  I'm not a Caucasian-American, or even a Celtic-American; I am an American, no more, no less.  My President will likewise be an American, no more, no less.

Obama put the race card in play.  He should not complain that it does not work in his favor.



You're right there.
He's the one who injected race into the equation.
And as well as W. Vir. Mass won't vote for Obama either with the exception of Boston/Cambridge.
Just because that fat drunken slob Ted Kennedy endorsed him it won't help him.
If *you* were running for office would you want Wet Brain Kennedy endorsing you?
After he endorsed Obama Massachusetts voted for Hillary! lol
And after all the Clintons did for the Kennedy family Wet Brain stabs them in the back! What a fuckin' scumbag he is!
I'm tellin' ya, Obama is walking into a landslide slaughter!
Oh he'll go down in history all right!

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 1:18:45 AM   
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The only thing that is surprising to me here is that more people don't admit this.

I give West Virginians points for being unusually honest about how morally repugnant humanity is.



Hate to say this, but it was almost refreshing in the old days when racists just came out and bragged about it, instead of hiding behind sophomoric debate tactics, and pretending that 'they aren't racists buuuut'...


Yeah, now they just hide in the Democratic Party, the ACLU, and other "liberal" groups! Colleges and Unis.
"Hey! We're "Liberal" but we're not THAT liberal!"

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 2:14:38 AM   
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Saying " I wont vote for candidate X because he is black " is racist. Try and spin that all you like, but it wont wash.


Actually while I think that racism will play a major issue in the south and rural areas of the country... As I think about it I have to say that in light of present circumstances I would not vote for a female or Jewish candidate either for reasons of legitimacy rather than racism. Thats not to say I am a mysoginist or an antisemite - my first wife was both female and Jewish but we are at war with various radical islamic factions and we are poised on the brink with serveral other radical islamic factions.  The cultures of our enemies dont take women very seriously, and the Jewish thing goes without saying....

Consider for a moment the Iranian reaction to a Hillary / Lieberman administration? A Jewish president or vice president would be immediately labled a puppet of Isreal blah blah blah and I dont think a female would be taken very seriously even if she was President of the United States and had the clout of the US Military behind her. I mean I could just see that idiot in Iran spewing how "the Great satan thinks a woman can tell us we cannot have nuclear weapons. The wrath of allah on this country ruled by women" blah blah blah....

By comparison they know McCain is a Naval Aviator and while they may not like him - they know that he is a stone cold killer who will gladly slaughter them by the thousands, then come back to the ship and laugh and sing songs about the nights carnage with his buddies over breakfast. McCain carries an aura of "how big are your balls, just try me" whereas I think they would defy Hillary simply to prove they wont back down from a female....  

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