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Missokyst -> She is a bitch (5/14/2008 10:27:36 AM)

I have seen this on a number of threads.  "She is a bitch"  "My ex is a bitch."  "His ex wife is a bitch"

I have been around a while.  I think in my life I have met maybe.. 2 women I would classify as genuine bitches.  I am pretty sure one of them was bi-polar, as she occasionally had good days.  And the other just loved being unpleasant.  These were the type of women who would call the cops if you parked in the public space in front of their house.  Or would have screaming matches with someone if they dared to disagree.  And good grief.. the frivolous lawsuits were yearly events.  In general people walked on egg shells around them, if they dared to come near them at all.  And they would be well known around town for their bitchiness.  I would call those women genuine bitches because if 9 of 10 people share that opinion, it is probably true.

But I often see people refer to their ex, or his ex, or her ex, as a bitch.  Why?  Very few people I have met are jackasses.  Most people have pleasant and unpleasant sides.  Everyone I know has a reason to not be so nice to someone (unless you internalize it).  My thought is that if someone refers to their ex as a bitch.. how do you know that if you are with them, someday you might be "that bitch"?

Do you ever pay attention to how someone might refer to their ex and take a step back?  Or do you accept that everything said is the truth and of course THAT woman must be a bitch?
Kyst




Dnomyar -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 10:40:03 AM)

If you met my ex that would be the third woman you would classify as a certified bitch. That aside. Who you would calssify as a bitch to someone else they would  be a great friend.  




KatyLied -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 10:50:01 AM)

I always wonder what he did to turn her into a bitch!




OmegaG -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 10:56:09 AM)

I'd say that they are exes for a reason and generally the reasons aren't pleasant.  Breakups are hardly ever dignified and they tend to bring the worst out of people.  So from the raw emotion perspective, the exes are bitches.

Now, my ex called me a bitch the last time he was in my house and he was right, I was a bitch at that moment and proud of it, then again, if I'd stood up to him 19 years ago like I did just recently our lives might have taken a different path.




CalifChick -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 11:00:02 AM)

I saw the thread title and thought you were calling me out.  When my ex tries to push my buttons, and yes, succeeds more often that I like to admit, I become a person that I don't like very much.  People think I can be sarcastic and a bit cutting here, but holy cow, you ain't seen nothing till you've seen me and the ex! 

Cali




lusciouslips19 -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 11:13:09 AM)

Many only fall for bitches. Not sweet wittle girls like me!


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sirsholly -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 11:14:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Many only fall for bitches. Not sweet wittle girls like me!


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*cough*




LadyRainfire -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 11:34:24 AM)

I know for a fact that I have my times when yes, I can be a right royal bitch. Especially around my ex-inlaw's. Otherwise they just stomp right over me and treat me like dirt. Likewise my ex won't do a thing he says he will unless I stand up and get "forceful". I've also worked in jobs where I had to be strong and take charge of the situation (EMT, customer service, manager, legal, things like that) so it's part of who I am. I'm not always a bitch though and sometimes I'm seen as a bitch when I'm not. People mistake my quietness, solitude, shyness and formality as being bitchy. (holly, watch yer mouth here!) Nope, nothing further from the truth - I just don't know what the heck to say and don't want to push where I'm not wanted while making assumptions.

As for making assumptions, no, I try not to. I try to keep an open mind until I can see things for myself. However, if someone I trust and love, somone who has never lied to me or given me any reason whatsoever to doubt them, says so and so said or did something bitchy or horrible, I have no reason to doubt them, thus colouring my perception of that person. But they can always show me they are better than that and earn my respect. It just may take a little longer. The flip side is that it will take a lot shorter time to lose what little they may have had...

(edited to add a missing word.... *sigh*)




ownedgirlie -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 11:35:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

I saw the thread title and thought you were calling me out.  When my ex tries to push my buttons, and yes, succeeds more often that I like to admit, I become a person that I don't like very much.  People think I can be sarcastic and a bit cutting here, but holy cow, you ain't seen nothing till you've seen me and the ex! 

Cali



You hit on something I relate to.  For a long time my ex was bringing out someone in me who I didn't like very much.  Since having to sit through negotiations with him, my Master coached me on keeping my cool while still not taking shit from him and that helped greatlyl.  Until then, I would leave our interactions not liking myself at all.

I have known a few people whom I thought were bitches.  Most, when getting to know them, were not bitches at all, but were behaving as a result of issues going on in their lives or were misrepresenting themselves.  Off the top of my head, I can only think of one person I really think poorly of, and I tend to think of her as a cunt, rather than a bitch.  [;)]

A lot of people hate my ex.   I've heard him referred to as every name in the book (my mother refers to him as "the disease").   He's a sociopath, and that's what I refer to him as.  Sociopathic people tend to not be very kind to others around them. 

I know there are people who think I'm a bitch.  Of course I think they're misinformed.  [8D]




Missokyst -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 11:35:30 AM)

LOL I almost fell out of my chair too.
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Many only fall for bitches. Not sweet wittle girls like me!


[sm=laundry.gif]


*cough*





Missokyst -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 11:42:39 AM)

I honestly do not see that as being a bitch.  You both were reacting to circumstance.  One does something, someone does something else, and between the two, you have bad energy.

My ex husband was not good for me.  I tend to internalize anger so I could not be a bitch to him.  Instead, I got hives because I could not speak up.  But, my ex-husbands second wife often referred to me as the bitch.  I have no idea what he told her about us, but lol it was clear it was not good. 
I detested my ex-husband, but tried to keep that from my friends and family.
Interestingly, when wife number two became his new ex, he referred to me as his good ex wife and her as the bitch.  And having spoken to his wife #3, I know she referred to his wife 2 as the bitch.  I don't know about wife #4, as we only met once.
Kyst



quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

I saw the thread title and thought you were calling me out.  When my ex tries to push my buttons, and yes, succeeds more often that I like to admit, I become a person that I don't like very much.  People think I can be sarcastic and a bit cutting here, but holy cow, you ain't seen nothing till you've seen me and the ex! 

Cali





Missokyst -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 11:46:38 AM)

I don't see standing up for yourself as being a bitch.. I see it as self preservation. 
It does make me wonder what your ex thought of himself during those times, and now.
I have been angry, I can now mostly stand up for myself.  But I rarely say I was a bitch, or my ex was a bastard because it was the circumstance which made us act as we did.  He may have saw me as a bitch,  his wife number two may have saw me as a bitch, but really, I was just fine with everyone else. 
Maybe circumstance is the bitch?
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG
if I'd stood up to him 19 years ago like I did just recently our lives might have taken a different path.




tsatske -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 11:54:02 AM)

quote:

I always wonder what he did to turn her into a bitch!


Yep. But this is not the core of it for me.
One of the most important questions i ask someone i am considering going out with is, 'tell me about your ex(es)'
They think, 'she wants to hear that i am not carrying a torch - that i won't go back to her, that it is over.'
Not really. I don't mind if you are grieving, as long as you are far enough along to be ready to move on.
What i want to hear is - do you have issues left with him/her? do you have issues with women in general.
Here's a clue - if the last 10 women you dated were bitches who took you for a ride - the only thing they have in common is YOU. i need to think twice about going out with you. because, to be honest, if it is several of them in a row, no, i do not belive the common factor is that you only pick out bitches. i believe you see women as bitches, turn women into bitches, or fail to take responsibility for your own behavior.
What do i want to hear to 'tell me about your ex?' how about, 'lovely woman, really - if she wasn't, i wouldn't have fallen for her, right? but, we didn't work out together. at least as much my fault as hers. i hope i've learned something from that. i hope you don't want to know more - i don't like to talk out of school about her.' then i'm sold, right then and there.




Missokyst -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 12:21:08 PM)

Oh hell yes! 
I would take a step back if someone I was interested in referred to an ex as a bitch.  I would step back and want to know if that is how  he saw all his ex's before I could get closer to him. 
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: tsatske


Here's a clue - if the last 10 women you dated were bitches who took you for a ride - the only thing they have in common is YOU. i need to think twice about going out with you. because, to be honest, if it is several of them in a row, no, i do not belive the common factor is that you only pick out bitches. i believe you see women as bitches, turn women into bitches, or fail to take responsibility for your own behavior.
What do i want to hear to 'tell me about your ex?' how about, 'lovely woman, really - if she wasn't, i wouldn't have fallen for her, right? but, we didn't work out together. at least as much my fault as hers. i hope i've learned something from that. i hope you don't want to know more - i don't like to talk out of school about her.' then i'm sold, right then and there.




gypsygrl -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 12:48:47 PM)

quote:

My thought is that if someone refers to their ex as a bitch.. how do you know that if you are with them, someday you might be "that bitch"?

Do you ever pay attention to how someone might refer to their ex and take a step back? Or do you accept that everything said is the truth and of course THAT woman must be a bitch?


I don't have good filters when it comes to relationships, and this is one issue I realize I need to pay attention to.  Yeah, ex's are ex's for a reason, but if the person is still angry at their ex's and can't distance themselves from it and look at it quasi-objectively, chances are we're emotionally incompatible.  Its not that I worry about it coming back to me at a later date (though I recognize that it will) but that I don't operate that way and can't sympathize.  Pretty much everyone I've been with have a place somewhere in my heart, even the one who still carries a vendetta against me and I kind of expect everyone to be that way.  In my mind, at some point you have to just have to say "we just weren't good for each other" and chalk it up to experience with no hard feelings.  Anything else seems irrational.

I guess I want to focus on making good memories and not bad ones.




Mercnbeth -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 1:11:31 PM)

quote:

...I'm a bitch, I'm a lover
I'm a child, I'm a mother
I'm a sinner, I'm a saint
I do not feel ashamed
I'm your hell, I'm your dream
I'm nothing in between
You know you wouldn't want it any other way...Meredith Brooks


this slave believes we all have "that bitch" potential, and it isn't necessarily a bad thing.
 
to be that way all the time, to everyone, however, would be an incredibly awful existence and this slave hasn't met anyone that qualifies, under that description.
 
some have come close, though!!![:)]




subdevra -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 1:46:13 PM)

and one person's "bitch" is the next person's sweet little submissive.
actually i think "bitch" is probably one of the nicest things my soon to be ex would like to call me.

devra




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 2:01:30 PM)

I hate the world today
You're so good to me
I know but I can't change
tried to tell you but you look at me like maybe I'm an angel
underneath
innocent and sweet
Yesterday I cried
You must have been relieved to see the softer side
I can understand how you'd be so confused
I don't envy you
I'm a little bit of everything
all rolled into one

Chorus:
I'm a bitch, I'm a lover
I'm a child, I'm a mother
I'm a sinner, I'm a saint
I do not feel ashamed
I'm your health, I'm your dream
I'm nothing in between
You know you wouldn't want it any other way

So take me as I am
This may mean you'll have to be a stronger man
Rest assured that when I start to make you nervous
and I'm going to extremes
tomorrow I will change
and today won't mean a thing

Chorus

Just when you think you've got me figured out
the season's already changing
I think it's cool you do what you do
and don't try to save me

Chorus

I'm a bitch, I'm a tease
I'm a goddess on my knees
when you hurt, when you suffer
I'm your angel undercover
I've been numbed, I'm revived
can't say I'm not alive
You know I wouldn't want it any other way




lusciouslips19 -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 2:23:09 PM)

I know this may be hard to believe but I didn't make all the best choices as a new sub. I got with this Dom that called his ex a bitch and still talked in anger. They had been divorced for 20 years. he also said to me,"All the women I have been with go crazy,likely you will too." Guess what, he did bring it out in me too. i was a bitch as I pounced on him for hurting my wrist and then calling me a liar and a baby for calling yellow. yes, I was a bitch as he called me names including insane as stupid. Until i fled from his house while he was yelling to me to "fuck off and die." The man was 50. Too old to act like that. But then again, so was I .




kiwisub12 -> RE: She is a bitch (5/14/2008 2:31:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I have seen this on a number of threads.  "She is a bitch"  "My ex is a bitch."  "His ex wife is a bitch"

I have been around a while.  I think in my life I have met maybe.. 2 women I would classify as genuine bitches.  I am pretty sure one of them was bi-polar, as she occasionally had good days.  And the other just loved being unpleasant.  These were the type of women who would call the cops if you parked in the public space in front of their house.  Or would have screaming matches with someone if they dared to disagree.  And good grief.. the frivolous lawsuits were yearly events.  In general people walked on egg shells around them, if they dared to come near them at all.  And they would be well known around town for their bitchiness.  I would call those women genuine bitches because if 9 of 10 people share that opinion, it is probably true.

But I often see people refer to their ex, or his ex, or her ex, as a bitch.  Why?  Very few people I have met are jackasses.  Most people have pleasant and unpleasant sides.  Everyone I know has a reason to not be so nice to someone (unless you internalize it).  My thought is that if someone refers to their ex as a bitch.. how do you know that if you are with them, someday you might be "that bitch"?

Do you ever pay attention to how someone might refer to their ex and take a step back?  Or do you accept that everything said is the truth and of course THAT woman must be a bitch?
Kyst



Has anyone else noticed that nice people usually know nice people, and angry people know angry people, and caring people know caring sorts, and so on and so on.

We tend to see in others what we see in ourselves.

Myself , for example, know a lot of really rich, super intelligent, humble, compassionate, over-achieving, and humerous people - who like to read, and quilt.    Go figure! [:)]




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