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Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:31:50 AM   
BIllCT


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Status: offline 		Not to be a wise ass here in anyway, but, I see discussions of submission and sex on here always. What bothers me is this and I must admit, I think many do not realize it in real life, 1) Women submit to sex each time they have sex with a male period, wheither it is in a Hetrosexual relationship, a lesbian relationship or any-other relationship.Women I think over all think there is a difference in what they do in bed wheither they are hetro-sexual or lesbian  truth be known a woman assumes a submissive posture for sexual acts with men or other women each time they have sex.

The Only question is the degree of submission and the same goes for homosexuals of either sex also. It is the degree to which they are willing to submit or let themselves be dominated that counts and makes a difference.
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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:37:00 AM   
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1) Women submit to sex each time they have sex with a male period,


this statement is in error. Women do not "always" submit to a man during sex. sometimes (maybe most of the time) the woman is in control of the situation, completely.


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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:40:08 AM   
BIllCT


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Status: offline 		I disagree with your reply. A woman does submit each time she has sex, no matter the type of relationship it is, because she is the one opening herself up for entry and assumming the position to allow that to occur and the completion of the sexual act period. They may act Dominante and go DOmme on you, but in fact no matter the sexual preference they have, they end up submitting to their partner to recieve the sexual satisfaction needed by them.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:41:46 AM   
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lol Okay I'm getting comfy, I've got coffee and I just going to sit back and watch the show

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:42:20 AM   
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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:45:59 AM   
cantilena


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Status: offline 		Wasn't this discussed rather intelligently just recently?

OP, if you're really interested, and not just drumming up fireworks, you might search for it.  It was a good conversation, I thought.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:46:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that that attitude comes from the archaic paradigm that women did not enjoy sex and only "submitted" to their husbands in order to make them happy.

Guess what-- women like sex, they often initiate sex and are active participants during the act.

Also, when one uses submission in the context which you do it carries a negative conotation, that someone is engaging in an activity that they'd rather not participate.  I think the way in which you are referring to submission can better be describe as active and passive participation.  Often there is one partner that is more active or assertive and one who is more passive, that has nothing to do with submission at all since both parties are willingly participating.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:46:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		you might want to get out more.... broaden your horizons and your narrow view... understand that submitting is way more than a physical act...

oh and take a look at this thread.. its been  beat to death

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1842423/tm.htm


oh yeah.. by the way YOU do not get to speak for lesbians, got it?  you only get to speak for you... I get to speak for all of dykedom around here..

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:48:03 AM   
BIllCT


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Status: offline 		Sorry if it was discussed before I didn't see it.
But that still does not change the importance of it in many ways does it, submission is submission wheither the woman is in control of the sex or not, she still is submitting, wheither she rides or is on bottom or anything else cause she is the one opening herself up to be taken.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:49:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		i agree. if a woman starts it, goes halfway though it and stops it before the male is finished...wouldn't that qualify as her being in control?

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:50:12 AM   
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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:56:45 AM   
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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 5:59:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		so do I submit to my vibrator too?

I think intent may have a lot to do with it.  If I am having sex just to get off and his cock is mearly a tool and I dont' give a damn if he is satisfied or not, how in the hell am I submitting to him?

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:00:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

One moment, I'm in the middle of figuring out if my brand of toothpaste is more D or s in type and nature.     


Rembrandt is the one true dom toothpaste.  Geez.  Everybody knows that.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:00:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		that's easy, your toothpaste and mouth are submissive, the toothbrush is the D-type

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:02:45 AM   
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Pragmatically speaking, and from a strict statutory perspective; if you insist, or force a woman to have sex who doesn't 'submit' it is called 'rape'. A woman can even wake up the next day with a hangover and decide retroactively to not submit and the consequences can be similar. Therefor as far as the government is concerned, the OP's theorem is correct. Who is in 'control' of the physical act defined as 'sex' is immaterial.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:05:02 AM   
cantilena


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Status: offline 		In many areas, the government would also call many of the activities in BDSM on the carpet as well.

That doesn't make the government correct.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:06:34 AM   
Owner4SexSlave


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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:07:51 AM   
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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:09:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		ahh, now rape laws are facinating (and so one sided)

There is a law professor at the university that I work at that feels that everytime a woman submits she is getting raped, that women are incapeable of wanting sex purely for the physical enjoyment, she contends that some rapes are overlooked in this society because the woman benefits by way of relationship when she is raped (as within the context of marriage).  She won't even entertain the idea that these women are whores who are selling their sex for the stability of marriage.

Anyway, she presents a lecture that is filled with venom and hate against men and one thing she has said during this lecture which I've never researched is that in this state there is a law that is never used which states that a man cannot have sex with a woman after she has had alchohol as she is then incapeable of good judgement.  This professor would like to see this law used.

ETA:  I personally feel that our one-sided views of rape stem from a culture where women were considered inferiour to men and incapable of equality, which is why male rape cases seldom get any serious consideration.

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Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable. Sydney J. Harris

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