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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:09:55 AM   
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Why is it I feel like I'm standing in a forest gazing though a pair of Binoculars while holding a "field guide to misogyny" in hand?



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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:12:02 AM   
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Regarding women submitting when they engage in sexusal activities, whilst I agree with Mercmbeth on a general basis, it could be argued that if a Dominant woman pushes a male down and taks control of the sexual act by riding him and has at any time many oportunities to terminate the activity, get up and walk/run away, it would or should be difficult to prove beyong reasonable doubt in most courts of law that the male raped her. In such cases it is clearly the male who is submitting to her intentions. let's be honest here lads most of us enjoy it occasionally having a naked sweating female riding you with nakid breasts swinging or bouncing close to your face..... Most blokes though will never admit that they submitting.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:12:42 AM   
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1) Women submit to sex each time they have sex with a male period,


I disagree here too.

I know women for whom performing oral sex is very much an act of dominance.




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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:12:50 AM   
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Actually, for Me I see it as Dominant as I "open" to take in what I choose--and if I don't choose, I don't "open".
 
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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:13:55 AM   
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Acts and postions are not submissive or dominant. They occur in the mind, not in the pose.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:14:00 AM   
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ahh, now rape laws are facinating (and so one sided)

There is a law professor at the university that I work at that feels that everytime a woman submits she is getting raped, that women are incapeable of wanting sex purely for the physical enjoyment, she contends that some rapes are overlooked in this society because the woman benefits by way of relationship when she is raped (as within the context of marriage).  She won't even entertain the idea that these women are whores who are selling their sex for the stability of marriage.

Anyway, she presents a lecture that is filled with venom and hate against men and one thing she has said during this lecture which I've never researched is that in this state there is a law that is never used which states that a man cannot have sex with a woman after she has had alchohol as she is then incapeable of good judgement.  This professor would like to see this law used.


Aaahhh Hhhaaaa... Living proof of that certified idiots with Degree's do exists.  Why is it people have this notion that people with a college education are smarter then the average bear?  I mean hell, perhaps, they are all bitter and Jaded because of their own regrets for having drank too much one night at college party and things got a little out of control.   Who the hell really knows.  But some people get amazing sticks up their ass, from things that happened in their life, and think they got the whole damn world figured out afterwards. 

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:15:32 AM   
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yeah, I was looking for the right words, instead of looking at the act as penetration, in can be seen as engulfing and that definately puts a different spin on who is doing the submitting.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:18:32 AM   
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LIMP DICK Theory! 

This is my own theory on the subject.  A man who is not sexual stimulated and has a lump dick can not be raped by a women.  A women who is not sexual stimulated can be raped.   Sex can only happen if the man has a hard on. Sex with a Limp Dick is not possible.   Lesbian or women who use Dildos to replace men with Limp dicks are a threat to men with Limp Dicks.

Basically sex is based on the man's ability to perform or not to perform.  This should not be confused with being DOM.  Just because you have a hard on does not mean you are in charge of everything. 

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:19:43 AM   
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truth be known a woman assumes a submissive posture for sexual acts with men or other women each time they have sex.


hate to burst your ego bubble here but in my relationship with my pet, he's the one assuming the submissive posture not me.

if  Daddy and i were to have physical sexual contact, neither of us would assume the submissive posture.






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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:26:36 AM   
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In many areas, the government would also call many of the activities in BDSM on the carpet as well.

That doesn't make the government correct.


Never said or inferred any judgmental 'correctness'. The OP doesn't indicate the perspective of his position; however he does refer to "real life". "Real life" usually involves real life consequences for actions, with the enforcing of the consequences coming in the form of punishment for breaking laws enforced by the government. The literal definition of non-consensual sex or sex that isn't submitted to is rape; and although I once saw an episode of Law & Order where the sex of the victim was male, the law is usually not applied to unless both chromosomes are 'x'.

What you point out regarding 'consensual' BDSM is correct, although irrelevant; as is the reference to government 'correctness''; which last occurred... Come to think of it - I don't know the last time that occured.

In my house, consideration to statutory requirements of 'consent or BDSM activities doesn't occur - however that doesn't mean I personally wouldn't be subject to the statutory consequences, not only if beth presses the issue but if our interaction is observed and reported to a law enforcement authority. Without a doubt, no matter what beth said otherwise, I'd be prosecuted, and most likely convicted for spousal abuse. It's possible for the statutes associated with 'rape' be applied as well.

No matter - I'll continue to live as an 'outlaw'. I was only speaking pragmatically.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:29:52 AM   
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I do not submit when I am having sex with my malesub or any male. I choose to have sex when and how I like it, even when I was doing the vanilla thing. I ALLOWED the male inside of my body in a position of MY choosening. He was submitting to what I wanted from my viewpoint, I wanted sex, I wanted it in this position, I would tell him how hard, how fast and when to stop.

So no not all women submit everytime they have sex with a male. If your going to look at it that way one could say a man submits everytime he has sex because he has to get permission from a woman to place himself inside of her body, otherwise its known a rape.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 6:46:17 AM   
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Sorry if it was discussed before I didn't see it.
But that still does not change the importance of it in many ways does it, submission is submission wheither the woman is in control of the sex or not, she still is submitting, wheither she rides or is on bottom or anything else cause she is the one opening herself up to be taken.

  I have to ask you here.. when was the last time you GOT laid?  I mean..by a female... human-variety..
 
I'm just going to think that maybe you just worded your OP poorly.  If you're thinking that positioning oneself to have sex, to accommodate genital type and accesablility is "submitting".. then you might just might a bit off the mark.  "Position is not submitting".  If you bend over to tie your shoe or take a knee to do it.. it's not submitting.. it's how you tie your shoe.  Is the only way a female would NOT be submitting to sex is if she is wearing a strap-on then?

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 7:34:58 AM   
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lol Okay I'm getting comfy, I've got coffee and I just going to sit back and watch the show


LOL   gets a refill and sits back to watch the show also....:)

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 7:41:11 AM   
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if opening ones self (phsyically) is the pretence for being submissive....if a man and a women are both have a cock in their mouths  or are into anal sex...are they both submissive?

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 7:43:07 AM   
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quote:

A woman does submit each time she has sex, no matter the type of relationship it is, because she is the one opening herself up for entry and assumming the position

Not if she's fucking you in the ass with a strap-on.


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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 7:52:22 AM   
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I really love it when a "male type" jumps outta bed in the morning, scratches his nuts and begins his day by postulating about the absolute-written-in-stone-truths of being a woman.

I realize the OP has a history of errmmmmm, "interesting" posts, but dude, get a grip. 

You are a male and you don't know doodly squat about being a woman, so run along now and go play in someone elses sandbox.

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 8:24:24 AM   
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Not to be a wise ass here in anyway, but, I see discussions of submission and sex on here always. What bothers me is this and I must admit, I think many do not realize it in real life, 1) Women submit to sex each time they have sex with a male period, wheither it is in a Hetrosexual relationship, a lesbian relationship or any-other relationship.Women I think over all think there is a difference in what they do in bed wheither they are hetro-sexual or lesbian  truth be known a woman assumes a submissive posture for sexual acts with men or other women each time they have sex.

The Only question is the degree of submission and the same goes for homosexuals of either sex also. It is the degree to which they are willing to submit or let themselves be dominated that counts and makes a difference.


I think we should test this theory out and if the OP is man enough to have sex with my beautiful partner we can find out if he is right.  First she can sit on his face and smother him for a while, then she can fuck his ass with her strap on and then once it is all loosened up, fist his ass with a hand or two.

Once he wakes up after passing out we can interview him about his theory about all sex with by a woman is submissive.  I am sure we could even further this along by collecting money to fly him out to "use" BSB!

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 8:35:10 AM   
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I have to disagree with your statement that a woman assumes a submissive posture for sexual acts with men or other women each time they have sex.

If a women throws a man down on a picnic table, unzips his pants, grabs his soft cock and works it to an erection, then mounts him and they have sex.  This anything but a "submissive posture".   However, even this act alone, one can not automatically assume either party is Dom/me or sub/slave or even Switch.   Sexual acts alone, can not define the roles that are carried out in their relationship.

It is understood, in the example I just gave, that the women took the role of topping and the guy was the bottom, in the sexual activitity.  The actual physical posture of the man was it submissive or not?  Is her posture submissive or not? Subject of debate.  What is given here, is that she was agressive and assertive in the action taken.

Assertiveness and aggression also, by no means indicates if either party is Dom or sub or even switch.  This is in terms of relationship D/s.   Now in the scope of the activitity itself, it's clear that she was the top and he was the bottom.  To gain a clearer picture of the reality one would have to Step back, and look at the relationship as a whole.

What I just describe generally falls into the Norm of what perhaps a Domme would do with a male submissive, this may or may not be the case. 

Perhaps, it was a Dom couple at play?  Perhaps it was a Dom that ordered their sub to do this?  Perhaps it was Dom that was simply allows there submissive to top them from time to time, to add extra spice to the relationship.  Perhaps it was a Domme with her submissive partner doing this all along. 

At times, many people become blind to what they see, because of how they personally relate to it in their own mindset. 

If you for instance honestly believe that all women are submissive by nature, you will only see this.  In fact you will have a difficult time in understanding anything outside of your own beliefs.   Beliefs can lead to dangerous one wayism thinking and misunderstandings.  

To the OP, many people have presented and expressed many things contrary to your opening post.  Including Smart Ass Remarks.   The smart ass remarks in themselves made to provoke further thought.   At times, the experience of humilation from smart ass remarks is done in such a manner to make another person stop and think.

At times, it what we don't or refuse to see is what gets us into trouble.  Again, even more so with one wayism thinking.  At times there are in fact many ways, no one single way being the right nor wrong way. 

For instance, would a real DOM allow a women to throw him down on a picnic table and do what I described?  This can became a rather subjective matter.   What somebody's image or belief in what a real Dom is or should be might differ from anothers.  

This is why at times, it's best to avoid calling other people fakes, wannabes, or making conclusions that so and so is not a real anything.   OK, fine, they are simply not the right person or match for you.

Now, for the most part, there are certain one wayism topics that will spark off a lot of recoil from other users.  Topics such a Female Supremacy, for instance.   If it being force feed down others people's throat as the True one wayism of the world.   Same is true for "Misogyny".  

The topic you have touched upon, is very similar in nature, hence the number of Smart Ass remarks and comments.  You made some bold statements in terms of "I think many do not realize it in real life",  meaning that you yourself have already established in your mindset what you are sharing as a ONE WAY truth.  Even again with your use of the word "period" in this statement. "Women submit to sex each time they have sex with a male period".  Again a bold statement with an emphasis that you are totally and completely right, and that basically there is no changing of your mindset on this subject.

Perhaps, I am reading too much into this.  But I believe, that many others on this message board, read into your words the same thing.

You clearly state that you are bothered that not too many people see things the way you do.  That this topic has come up before, you have read the posts.  Clearly you should have expected that your views on the matter would not be well recieved.   Have you not reconsidered the reasons why many people do not see thing the way you do?  Or Should everybody else suddenly wake up and see the world as you see it?  Again, I suspect you knew ahead of time, that your post would not be so well recieved.  Since you have read/seen previous discussions regarding "sex and submission" on here.  

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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 8:48:54 AM   
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RE: Submission and Sex - 5/16/2008 8:52:57 AM   
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If I am having sex just to get off and his cock is mearly a tool and I dont' give a damn if he is satisfied or not... 


Omega!  OH MY GOD!  You said you would destroy those sex tapes of me and my exhusband that I sent you!  Now you're spilling my secrets!!!!

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