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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 2:12:07 PM

bipolarber

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Justme,

It may not be your kink, but as long as the OP is playing consesually with their partners, and he's not actually inflicting any kind of long term damage, I really don't see where you can critisize the action.

I've played with women who have wanted me to slap them in the face, whip them until they were on the verge of bleeding, even control their breathing. (nix on the last one...too dangerous for me... call it a Dom limit.) Others play this rough all the time. I've evens seen public scenes that left me feeling a little "weirded out" by their intensity. But I didn't call the people playing assholes.

You apologized, and your reasons for having a knee jerk reaction have been explained. Let's all leave it at that.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 2:14:03 PM

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Which is why this site has specific rules that pedophelia, actual criminal acts, etc. are not covered under 'kink'...

Outside of those, this entire site is an 'agree to all', and you agreed to not call people 'assholes' for their choice of fantasies when you signed up.

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This isn't a place to insult the kinks, preferences, lifestyles, etc. of others. If you don't like what another person enjoys, rest assured that there are plenty of others out there that probably don't like your activities either. Furthermore, baiting, harassment and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

People have all sorts of other fantasies... the fantasy of being called racial epithets has been brought up, rape and kidnap fantasies, AB, scat, and many more... you don't have to approve of them to refrain from calling those who enjoy them, names.

Gladly you don't make the rules (if a MOd finds differently then I will here it, but not from you). And I find kicking in the stomach , not as bad as the examples you name, but very bad as kink.
Fantasy is just a first step...also in the examples you name....more follows often.

There for...I appoligized..but I still find it assholes..that really want to kick females in the stomach and call it kink.
So easy to hide behind "kink".

And besides who decides what is in your list of kinks and what not. To each his own. It is sure is not in mine.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 2:22:08 PM

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Those are the rules from CollarMe TOS, not from me... and you bragging about violating them makes your apology look very facile.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 2:22:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Those are the rules from CollarMe TOS, not from me...

well then I will get a message from a mod ;)
doesn't change my mind anyway

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 2:26:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Justme,

It may not be your kink, but as long as the OP is playing consesually with their partners, and he's not actually inflicting any kind of long term damage, I really don't see where you can critisize the action.

I've played with women who have wanted me to slap them in the face, whip them until they were on the verge of bleeding, even control their breathing. (nix on the last one...too dangerous for me... call it a Dom limit.) Others play this rough all the time. I've evens seen public scenes that left me feeling a little "weirded out" by their intensity. But I didn't call the people playing assholes.

You apologized, and your reasons for having a knee jerk reaction have been explained. Let's all leave it at that.

Yes I see the point.... but there is aline between slapping...fist..then beating the crap out of some one.
And we can't close our eyes for that. SOme persons think BDSM equals beat the shit of weaker persons.
Once in a while it can't harm to point that out, that not all is a kink.
I could have don't it more calm..agree. But the point still stands for me.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 2:30:07 PM

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Why don't you admit that you just don't get apache fantasies, and quit trying to pile insults and unproven innuendo on the people who practice it consensually?

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 2:32:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Why don't you admit that you just don't get apache fantasies, and quit trying to pile insults and unproven innuendo on the people who practice it consensually?

lol
I won't give you the fun of continuing ;)

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 2:48:14 PM

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I already said in a roleplay scenario I would 'pretend like I'm smacking my victim', emphasis on pretend. As in, I would never dream of actually hitting a woman. Unless she attacked me first!

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ORIGINAL: sassysexygirl

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ORIGINAL: ProlificNeeds

As towards directly kicking/punching I've heard it called 'thug-play' before. Perhaps it was merely a privately coined term.

greetings A/all

i was just thinking it sounds like "thug play" ProlificNeeds, so i do not believe it is too private a term. :)

well wishes,
gemmie

Right. I just started doing this kind of thing with someone, and he calls it "thugplay" sometimes. Other times he calls it "damsel in distress" (did). Or, even just role playing.

To the op: Please don't be put off by the negative knee jerk reactions. Its really different from the kinds of stuff I've done in the past, but its been a lot of fun and, in a lot of ways, a lot more engaging than being strung up in a dungeon and beaten. In addition to regular negotiation of limit and stuff, he also gives me a run down of the plot and my expected reactions--for example, he had to tell me to resist, because I've never resisted a beating before So, as I'm being beaten in various ways, I have to stay in character and remember my lines. It takes 'obedience' to a whole new, challenging level. Especially since when he hits, he hits to hurt.

I dunno. I wanted to give it a positive spin. Its cool and worth trying if you're interested in that sort of thing. :)

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 5:55:56 PM

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Wow, you can beat someone's ass black, but a gut punch is distasteful?

I guess I am going to have to rethink my entire moral compass.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 6:08:59 PM

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Hi

When I first saw this at Paddles in New York, in 2006, it was just called "punching and kicking". The top wore newly fashionable "vampire gloves" and the bottom told me she absolutely loved the powerful shuddering feeling right through her chest as she was slammed against walls etc

The play came to Australian BDSM clubs soon after as the "latest" fashion (BDSM public play often has fashions) and it was seen as "play domestic violence"

The first reaction by the Melbourne crowd was mostly shock. Victims of genuine domestic violence found it extremely traumatic. The majority people found it sickening to watch, even knowing it was make-believe role play being done safely.

Good public play is performance art designed to shock, so it was a smashing success

Thug play sounds much better than play domestic violence (which is quite a mouthful)

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 6:56:30 PM

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It goes back a little farther than that.

http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3aposh.htm

http://www.addisonrowe.com/American/gardner-apachedance.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s48wDOalMLw

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 7:03:39 PM

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Hahaha.... where's your sense of humor Justme?

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 8:41:39 PM

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I totally get this fetish from the recieving side, one of my fav things to do at karate was spar and wrestle, nothing like being roughed up (although i did also always know i was safe)

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/22/2008 11:55:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

Hahaha.... where's your sense of humor Justme?

Oh I have my humor Lynnxz. And courage to appologize ( you can also not post anymore and leave it cowardly be)
Don't worry. (nice from you to remind it).

btw why is good for others to be beaten and not for pro-subs? (that is what you did aim at, not?)

Many people only like to see the good things and mention them.
We shouldn't forget things can go wrong too. It is good to mention opinions that others dislike but therefor are not less common/realistic.
How many females get the crap beaten out of them under the cover of kink or BDSM?? ( I know several subs who had that)
Or do we better discuss that in an other thread and then say "leave him... the bastard..he is so bad". Well perhaps he loved the "thugg part" too.
I prefer to warn upfront then argue aftherwards.
IF you discuss things...mention both good and bad. I did. And I feel good about the warning.
PErhaps many of you think we are so much better then the "vanilla" world..and we don't need to see the bad side to things.
Fine...but that is blindness.

I hope that those of you that don't like to warn, not complain in other threads anymore how bad soem one is when a sub gets hurt. And again.. I am not saying it will happen with the OP. I did appoligized for that. But at least we can warn new people.
IF you talk about it and act all knowing..then show all sides to a subject.

oh communication doesn't equal good news only

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 4:28:32 AM

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i love a good thug scene, rape scene but domestic violence just does nothing for me.....a group a people **BRING IT ON** a rape scene where the knife nicks my flesh while cutting my clothes of...WOW.....the rest well ..is boring for me..its the thud and roll and fight that i love....the adrenaline ..the rush....but then thats just me...and its ok that not everyone enjoys it...in fact some have a hard time watching....i have been a victim of a few violent crimes...and though i felt violated (emotional) the physical pain is nothing compared to what i can take on a cross....i guess my mind just processes it differently... hugs to allpettingdragons**Master Dragons considered slave**

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 4:32:51 AM

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IF you talk about it and act all knowing..then show all sides to a subject.

Then why don't you show that you know the difference between consensual and non-consensual, instead of still trying to lump the kinks of others in with crime and abuse?

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 4:40:22 AM

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No one is saying they are better than anyone else. Likewise, no one said anything about beating girls to a pulp besides you.

The OP just said he had a fantasy from watching movies, and that he would like to pretend to slap girls around... perfectly fine imo. I've engaged in it as well, no one gets hurt, it's just a lot of flailing around and being knocked onto the bed. Besides... what does the pro thing have to do with anything? Just because I do something professionally doesn't mean I can't enjoy it in my personal life as well.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 8:02:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

IF you talk about it and act all knowing..then show all sides to a subject.

Then why don't you show that you know the difference between consensual and non-consensual, instead of still trying to lump the kinks of others in with crime and abuse?

you repeat yourself
please read back. I explained it and appologized.
I won't change my opinion. Every time there is a reply to me, I can keep typing the same. So better read back, it is eassier.
I appologized to the OP. He is the one who deserved my appology.

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Likewise, no one said anything about beating girls to a pulp besides you.

exactly, that is why I did it. Because I saw it happen, that such things ended in a bad way.
I did look soem stuff up afther I read it, like this for example
http://www.ncsfreedom.org/index.php?option=com_keyword&id=213
He can do as he pleases, and so can do others. But one can also mention that it should be done with limits, so that it doesn't end in beating the crap out of some one.
It does happen.

So in short; Enjoy, but use your mind and control it.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 8:57:43 AM

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to continue with the topic itself;
http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/01/31/the-one-with-a-lot-of-comments/
http://www.the-trades.com/article.php?id=1325

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 9:59:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: KaineD

I have a great fetish for seeing women beaten and defeated. I'm always on the look out in particular for superheroine porn where the heroine gets punched, kicked, belly punched, batons used, and other forms of beating. In a roleplay aspect I think it would be fun to pretend I'm a kidnaper and pretend like I'm smacking my victim around.

Does this "beating up a girl" fetish even have a name? Do many others enjoy the same thing?

See the "Burning Bed" with Farrah Fawcett (If that doesn't give it a name.. it'll cure your lust for it)

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