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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 10:01:25 AM   
tsatske


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mmm hard to tell..belly punching a lady.....I call those guys assholes . But that is just an opinion.


Justme,
you know what i really love? what i think is totally, completely hot?
When Master smacks my face.

Know what most vanillas call a man who smacks his lady's face?

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 12:18:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tsatske

quote:

mmm hard to tell..belly punching a lady.....I call those guys assholes . But that is just an opinion.


Justme,
you know what i really love? what i think is totally, completely hot?
When Master smacks my face.

Know what most vanillas call a man who smacks his lady's face?


just say what you try to say  ;)
punching is soemthing different then slapping. Oh ...vanilla's do slap. We not that special in many things.

But continue your post, I am back to the topic as you could read.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 12:29:11 PM   
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There's someone on this board who posted something about doing a punching demo... maybe it was a body punching demo or something. I thought it would have been an interesting scene to watch.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 12:56:33 PM   
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I have read women's profiles (on that other site) who have it listed as something they like.
I'm sorry, but being punched is a seriously hard limit. (even more so than housework!!)
But from all of the reading I've done, I do know those girls are out there. You just have to keep looking.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 2:14:42 PM   
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And, yes, there are groups in Ireland. 


Believe me, the scene here in Belfast is practically non-existent.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 3:16:44 PM   
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seesm there almost live only males in Belfast if you do a search in the profiles
and just approx 20 females.

Indeed not many.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 4:54:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

There's someone on this board who posted something about doing a punching demo... maybe it was a body punching demo or something. I thought it would have been an interesting scene to watch.

The one and only, Archer is listed to present a demo at the 2008 SouthEast Leather Fest:
 
Hit Me With Your Best Shot - Deep Impact Play by Master Archer
 
Put up your dukes and lets get down to it….punching, hitting, kicking and other forms of deep impact play. We’ll evaluate safety concerns, psychological effects, methods and materials and aftercare while providing various demonstrations and hands-on opportunities.
http://www.seleatherfest.com/scheduleWorkShops.php#WorkShop19

There is another thread about punching that ran not too long ago:
 
Punching your sub/slave?  http://www.collarchat.com/m_1122972/mpage_1/tm.htm
 
It's 21 pages long but, here are 2 posts that i found particularly interesting.  One by Archer and the other by PeggyO.
 
Deep Impact play  http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1123400
& http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1124558

Additional Infomation:
 
DSM-IV-TR (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,
Fourth Edition, Text Revision) criteria for sexual sadism include recurrent intense sexual fantasies, urges, or behaviors involving real acts in which another person is suffering psychological or physical suffering, pain, and humiliation. The victim's suffering, pain, and humiliation cause the person with sexual sadism to become aroused. The fantasies, urges, or behaviors must be present for at least six months.

The diagnostic criteria also require either that the person has acted on these urges or fantasies with a nonconsenting person, or that the person has experienced noticeable distress or interpersonal problems because of these urges or fantasies.

Sexual sadism is infliction of physical or mental suffering (eg, humiliation, terror) on the sex partner to stimulate sexual excitement and orgasm.  

Paraphilias are recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, urges, or behaviors that are distressing or disabling and that involve inanimate objects, nonconsenting adults, or suffering or humiliation of oneself or the partner.

Sexual preferences that seem unusual to another person or health care practitioner do not constitute paraphilia simply because they are unusual. The arousal patterns are considered pathologic only when the following apply:


They become obligatory for sexual functioning (ie, erection or orgasm cannot occur without the stimulus).
They involve inappropriate partners (eg, nonconsenting adults).
They cause significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
 
Most sadistic sexual behavior occurs between consenting adults. As is the case with masochism, sadism is usually limited in scope and not harmful. In some people, the behaviors escalate to the point of harm. When practiced with nonconsenting partners, sexual sadism constitutes criminal activity and is likely to continue until the sadist is apprehended.
(November 2007 by George R. Brown, MD, Content last modified November 2007, Merck & Co., Inc. 
http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec15/ch203/ch203c.html)
 
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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 5:22:35 PM   
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This being the pertinent part...

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The diagnostic criteria also require either that the person has acted on these urges or fantasies with a nonconsenting person, or that the person has experienced noticeable distress or interpersonal problems because of these urges or fantasies. 



Without that, you just have normal people enjoying healthy fantasies.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 6:45:39 PM   
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There was a couple who did a deep impact, or body punching, demo at beat me in st. louis, which Master and i just attended. it was interesting. i think there might also have been a class on it, but we did not attend - there were so many good classes, the choices were difficult.

and, justme, i did react rather over quickly to your post. i owe you an appology. I'm sorry.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 7:02:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Justme696
but there is aline between slapping...fist..then beating the crap out of some one.


Where is that line?

A presenter, who enjoys whipping his bottoms until they bleed, and has seen the three of us play a couple of years now, made the comment, "I've seen you play, and you beat the shit out of your girls..."

Most likely we cross your line every time we play and it probably crosses the line for many others.  However, he does not cross our line, the line between play and harm.  Yeah, it is intense and there have been some who found it too difficult to watch, but it is hard to argue that he shouldn't do that when Alandra and I are laughing and have big smiles on our face.

There is a line, but we can only define that line for ourselves and let others define it for them.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 7:11:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KaineD
Does this "beating up a girl" fetish even have a name?  Do many others enjoy the same thing?


We call it deep impact play or punching/kicking play.  Yes, we enjoy it very much.  However, he doesn't pretend to punch and kick.  He actually does it and Alandra and I will sometimes punch and kick back.  Though she prefers to give him an elbow into his ribs.

*edited to add... one of Alandra's favorite ways to be punched is for him to wrap a heavy metal chain around his fist and then start punching her.  It leaves nice deep bruises but you can just see the grin on her face when she feels the first punch.  I am still waiting for that pleasure...

Knight's Kyra

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 7:16:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Justme696

seesm there almost live only males in Belfast if you do a search in the profiles
and just approx 20 females.

Indeed not many.


Move beyond CollarMe.  The are a number of search engines that yield results for Ireland.  I have corresponded with a number of fans in the country, but I don't remember if any of them were from the English part of the island.



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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/23/2008 7:45:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I have read women's profiles (on that other site) who have it listed as something they like.
I'm sorry, but being punched is a seriously hard limit. (even more so than housework!!)
But from all of the reading I've done, I do know those girls are out there. You just have to keep looking.


It is true... there are those women out here that like being hit(beat)... I  am one*ss*. One of the best plays that I enjoy is when he wraps a heavy 2 foot length of chain around his fist then punches and hits me with it... on the back, shoulders, sides, legs and ass. I have had it a few time as well on the upper chest. In a play, just a couple of weeks ago I found it more relaxing and sensual then being hit by the flogger. These are not soft hits... they are ones that push me off my feet and into the cross or wall or what ever is in front of me.

The difference is that I am Consenting to this type of play that i know that this is play and not something negitive. That it is not because of negitive image that i expect this is all I am here for etc... as well as it being a non-consentual attack.  This type of play to me is relaxing... oh it hurts but i can feel myself relaxing and enjoying it for what it is too me "deep sensation play".

One persons *no fucking way* is another persons *theraputic massage*.  It all comes down too finding the partners that fit with you. both in the BDSM area as well as all other areas of ones life.

Knight's Alandra

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/24/2008 12:25:47 AM   
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and, justme, i did react rather over quickly to your post. i owe you an appology. I'm sorry.


no  ;)  no need for appoligies. I am not that easily hurt.
but thank you.



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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/24/2008 12:28:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy


DSM-IV-TR (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,
Fourth Edition, Text Revision) criteria for sexual sadism include recurrent intense sexual fantasies, urges, or behaviors involving real acts in which another person is suffering psychological or physical suffering, pain, and humiliation. The victim's suffering, pain, and humiliation cause the person with sexual sadism to become aroused. The fantasies, urges, or behaviors must be present for at least six months.

The diagnostic criteria also require either that the person has acted on these urges or fantasies with a nonconsenting person, or that the person has experienced noticeable distress or interpersonal problems because of these urges or fantasies.

Sexual sadism is infliction of physical or mental suffering (eg, humiliation, terror) on the sex partner to stimulate sexual excitement and orgasm.  

Paraphilias are recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, urges, or behaviors that are distressing or disabling and that involve inanimate objects, nonconsenting adults, or suffering or humiliation of oneself or the partner.

Sexual preferences that seem unusual to another person or health care practitioner do not constitute paraphilia simply because they are unusual. The arousal patterns are considered pathologic only when the following apply:


They become obligatory for sexual functioning (ie, erection or orgasm cannot occur without the stimulus).
They involve inappropriate partners (eg, nonconsenting adults).
They cause significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
 
Most sadistic sexual behavior occurs between consenting adults. As is the case with masochism, sadism is usually limited in scope and not harmful. In some people, the behaviors escalate to the point of harm. When practiced with nonconsenting partners, sexual sadism constitutes criminal activity and is likely to continue until the sadist is apprehended.
(November 2007 by George R. Brown, MD, Content last modified November 2007, Merck & Co., Inc. 
http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec15/ch203/ch203c.html)
 
joy
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would be fair to post this also then

The DSM, including DSM-IV, is a registered trademark belonging to the American Psychiatric Association.[1] It has attracted controversy and criticism as well as praise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders
http://www.experiencefestival.com/diagnostic_and_statistical_manual_of_mental_disorders_-_criticism

but there will be a new issue
The DSM-V is tentatively scheduled for publication in 2011. Lets wait on that one


and I hope new people wait till they have experience before they use a fist with chains on it.
Some pratice might be nice to see how it impacts. Damage is easily done with out experience.
Some damage that people can inflict will not be visible directly, but in time. Females have some important organs there. 
At least I hope we agree as adults on that. then lets enjoy.



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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/24/2008 5:16:11 AM   
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The DSM is a publication of the APA because they are the largest association in the field...

As far as your Wiki claim that 'we' should just wait until a reliable version comes out...

Criticism





The neutrality or factuality of this article or section may be compromised by weasel words, which can allow the implication of unsourced information.
You can help Wikipedia by removing weasel worded statements.



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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 5/24/2008 5:35:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
As far as your Wiki claim that 'we' should just wait until a reliable version comes out...
Criticism


The neutrality
or factuality of this article or section may be compromised by weasel words, which can allow the implication of unsourced information.
You can help Wikipedia by removing weasel worded statements.


wiki says that about all criticism. (it says they want to be neutral, criticism is never neutral....that is why)
one word has as much vallue as an other (wiki has reasons for doing this, because in the past people abused the wiki by posting things to make others look bad).
A big organisation doesn't always have to be right. I guess you didn't read the links that well.


A wiki claim can't be mine, as long as I didn't write it on Wiki. You take this way to personal Alumbrado, it is not "my" wiki claim.

here is a nice neutral piece of text.
http://www.ipgcounseling.com/psychology_and_bdsm.html
quote:

  
The DSM IV is not particularly logical in its classification or diagnostic criteria for paraphilias. Some definitions are blatantly ridiculous: you are a fetishist, for example, if silky underwear turns you on but not if vibrators turn you on (vibrators are specifically made for sexual use, underwear is not). Other definitions manage to be both offensive and socially naïve at the same time: part of the definition of a Sexual Sadist is " the person has acted on these sexual urges with a nonconsenting person, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty." In other words, you can be a sadist if you rape and torture someone OR if your wife finds out you have domination fantasies and divorces you OR if you feel personal distress because you’ve been told being a sadist is sick!
Moreover, like the Catholic Church, the DSM IV makes no distinction between fantasy and behavior….. again, the definition for Sexual Sadism only says you have to have "recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies….in which the psychological or physical suffering… of the victim (sic) is sexually exciting.." Among other things, this definition includes such a huge percentage of the population as to be ludicrous.


beside fighting over the topic...it leads to some interesting reading stuff.
which perhaps might lead to a different opinion. Well I am open to that.

and a last one
http://www.revisef65.org/cuba1.html
THE SO-CALLED "DEVIANT" SEXUALITIES:
PERVERSION OR RIGHT TO DIFFERENCE?


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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 6/10/2008 7:20:36 AM   
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Hi,
I would love to have you watch me being punched. I am a human punching bag. I love to get full force punches in my fat pot belly.

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RE: Does this fetish have a name? - 6/10/2008 10:59:24 AM   
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i don't judge other's for their kinks so long as they are done between consenting adults. As a submissive, i actually go for some of the rougher playstyles. Some of what i love might be considered a bit too intense for people but it's my kink, i consent to being treated that way, so it's my business.
To me, getting thrown around, choked, spit on, smacked, punched a little is hot as hell within a scene.
This is just my opinion, YMMV, but, calling someone an asshole because of their particular kink, then saying "I apologize for what I said. But I stand by my words." isn't truly an apology.
I understand your sensitivity towards women being abused. I have a healthy dose of White Knight syndrome in me as well, and Gods help a man that is truly abusing a woman if I see it. That being said, if there is a particularly intense scene going on, with punching and kicking involved, and the submissive is all for it, then it's none of my business, and i shouldn't be making negative comments about it, not that i would anyway, i happen to love watching rough play myself.

With respect,
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