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Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 12:39:41 AM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080523/film_nm/russia_indianajones_dc

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ST PETERSBURG, Russia (Reuters) - Russian Communist Party members condemned the new "Indiana Jones" film on Friday as crude, anti-Soviet propaganda that distorts history and called for it to be banned from Russian screens.

Is this all the commies in Russia have to do these days? OMG, this is just too funny.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 12:47:27 AM

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Slaveboy, I havent seen the film and have no time for authoritarian commie. governments but surely you must agree that a lot of Hollywood's output is just that.....propaganda. Idealising the American way. NO?

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 1:03:56 AM

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Sure a lot of what Hollywood puts out is propaganda. I don't like the fact that most of the world gains their knowledge about our culture through movies. Most of the United States isn't like Los Angeles or New York. Those of us in the middle of the country get made fun of all the time in Hollywood movies. But I don't worry too much about it, and I certainly don't want them to start banning movies.

I haven't seen it yet either, but I liked the 3 other ones. I don't remember them being tools for propaganda. I knew there were a few communists left in Russia, but you'd think they'd have better things to do then get a movie banned. What they said in the article was just ridiculous. Of course there weren't Soviet spies running around the U.S. fighting over crystal skulls. But the Soviets don't have much room to talk. They used to make all sorts of propaganda films about the U.S. and the U.K. I saw one once, and it was hysterical. It made it look like the whole of our societies lived in poverty, while evil capitalists in top hats ruled the world from behind the scenes.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 2:23:37 AM

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They obviously don't understand the concept of fiction. I watched the movie. I thought it was entertaining. I did not leave believing that the russians were here in '57 looking for a crystal skull. I understood that it was just a story. Of course after reading the news this am, I now believe there are some screwballs over there. But they can't blame that one on Indy.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 2:42:20 AM

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Oh Czar Putin and his KGB buddies understand the power of fiction very well. The stories they tell...

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 3:32:02 AM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080523/film_nm/russia_indianajones_dc

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ST PETERSBURG, Russia (Reuters) - Russian Communist Party members condemned the new "Indiana Jones" film on Friday as crude, anti-Soviet propaganda that distorts history and called for it to be banned from Russian screens.

Is this all the commies in Russia have to do these days? OMG, this is just too funny.

no, they are rebuilding their army and are growing towards an oil and gass supplier.
I don't like their presidents, bu the last one put Russia on the map again...and in a few years...they are a world power again.
propble they don't complain about movies any more..lol

weird that they didn't complain about this movie;
Valley of the Wolves - Iraq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Wolves_Iraq
but that s about bad americans in Iraq
rediculous movie btw.....but sadly giving a real disturbing picture about Americans. Wouldn't be supprised if it had russian supporters ;)

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 4:22:31 AM

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Never mind "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Cash Cow", I can't wait to see "W".

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 4:50:07 AM

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Slaveboy, I havent seen the film and have no time for authoritarian commie. governments but surely you must agree that a lot of Hollywood's output is just that.....propaganda. Idealising the American way. NO?

As always, no. They are idealizing the Robin Hood myth set in new costumes.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 7:12:49 AM

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The Indy Jones films are two fisted tales of pulp adventure. Like Doc Savage, or The Shadow, or any number of other "weird heroes" that were pumped out during the depression era. As such, they require melodramatic villians. In the last three films, it was Hitler and the Nazis who filled that role. In this film, set in 1957, the villians are the reds. I think what's upsetting them is the fact that we remembered all too well what they were like, 50 years ago.. (and in many ways, still are...note Putin's propensity for poisoning people who disagree with him) But, comon, saying Indiana Jones is insulting Russia is like saying James Bond is insulting to women. It's a fantasy. And a pretty pre adolecent one at that.

This kind of stereotyping exists on both sides. I remember watching some soviet science fiction film at a convention a few years back, which was pretty apolitical up until the stalwart hereoes discocered a derilect spacecraft. Going inside, they discover that the capitalist cew and passengers killed each other off for their life support after the ship's engines broke down, and instead of solving their common problems, they were too busy drinking, fucking and fighting to fix the ship. So they all died. Nukes were onboard, aparently to weild power over some poor, unsuspecting soviet colony world.

(the room erupted in laughter at the clumsy stereotypes.)

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 7:35:26 AM

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I seem to remember the bad guys in Temple of Doom being not Nazis but a cult of Kali worshippers in India who wanted the blonde heroine to be their queen ...or something like that, anyway. Although my passport says UK, so it's possible that this entire post does not even exist.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 7:36:20 AM

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And I thought Indy was just gonna be another big adventure film.

Of course, maybe they're just upset because we know about the crystal skulls and they want them for themselves. They're afraid that we'll beat them too them again .... Thats it!!!! (Brief insane moment. sorry.)

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 5:43:02 PM

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Those arnt commies that are rebuilding Russia today...those are authoritarian capitalists.

Like Putin once said:
"Those who do not miss the Soviet Union have no heart. Those that want to go back to it have no brain."

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 5:46:32 PM

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The Indy Jones films are two fisted tales of pulp adventure. Like Doc Savage, or The Shadow, or any number of other "weird heroes" that were pumped out during the depression era. As such, they require melodramatic villians. In the last three films, it was Hitler and the Nazis who filled that role. In this film, set in 1957, the villians are the reds. I think what's upsetting them is the fact that we remembered all too well what they were like, 50 years ago.. (and in many ways, still are...note Putin's propensity for poisoning people who disagree with him) But, comon, saying Indiana Jones is insulting Russia is like saying James Bond is insulting to women. It's a fantasy. And a pretty pre adolecent one at that.

I particularly liked the quote in the story about how people born these days don't have any knowledge of what happened 50 years ago. I'm thinking "damn, don't y'all have a history class in your schools over there?"

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 5:51:15 PM

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Too busy learning how to put an AK47 together or some such myth.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 7:44:39 PM

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I particularly liked the quote in the story about how people born these days don't have any knowledge of what happened 50 years ago. I'm thinking "damn, don't y'all have a history class in your schools over there?"

Nope. They are using the time for sensitivity training, and spent the money for books, maps, and globes on English as a second language programs and metal detectors.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/24/2008 8:02:16 PM

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Nope. They are using the time for sensitivity training, and spent the money for books, maps, and globes on English as a second language programs and metal detectors.

I was talking about the Russian schools, not American.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/25/2008 4:44:34 AM

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Slaveboy, I havent seen the film and have no time for authoritarian commie. governments but surely you must agree that a lot of Hollywood's output is just that.....propaganda. Idealising the American way. NO?

In a way you're right and in a way you're wrong. You're wrong because one film is neither here nor there. Indiana Jones is just pulp fiction with cardboard cut out characters. There are no three dimensional characters in the film at all but then there aren't supposed to be, its just an old fashioned rollicking adventure, you go with it or you don't.

Where you are right, is the sheer amount of idealizing of America that comes out of Hollywood and which floods the world due to the money behind Hollywood films. An American friend told me that the three American films voted the most overated films of all time in America were, Easy Rider, The Graduate and Midnight Cowboy. All great films but all make a critique of America so I guess that is saying something about the world in which Hollywood operates.

I've got several east European friends I've known for years since my travels around eastern Europe when I was in my early twenties. All have said that western freedom has proved to be similar to having sex for the first time and finding it awkward, deeply disappointing and overated. As one said, you still have to go to work everyday and do things you'd rather not do, the only difference that has changed, is who is telling you that you have a wonderful life. In the east it was the party, in the west, its the entertainment industry.

The Russian communist party is going to have to get used to being an anachronism that will die with its members. Its pointless clinging to the past, even one that is over idealized because of the uncertainty of the present. If they had a future, they would just laugh off this Indiana Jones nonsense and understand it for what it is, a two dimensional comic book world where people don't have to think.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/25/2008 5:13:06 AM

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The Indy Jones films are two fisted tales of pulp adventure. Like Doc Savage, or The Shadow, or any number of other "weird heroes" that were pumped out during the depression era. As such, they require melodramatic villians. In the last three films, it was Hitler and the Nazis who filled that role. In this film, set in 1957, the villians are the reds. I think what's upsetting them is the fact that we remembered all too well what they were like, 50 years ago.. (and in many ways, still are...note Putin's propensity for poisoning people who disagree with him) But, comon, saying Indiana Jones is insulting Russia is like saying James Bond is insulting to women. It's a fantasy. And a pretty pre adolecent one at that.

I saw the film and it really didnt even bash communism all that much. It never really got political at all. It was just showing what was typical American psychology of the Soviet Union during the peak periods of the Cold War. There was a lot of paranoia and anxiety. The movie took place in 1957 which was just coming out of the McCarthy era.

It's easy to make a story where the Nazis are the bad guys. 99% of people arnt going to take offense to that. But when you get into movies where you have two different sides and neither one was particularly "evil." You wont be able to make both sides happy. In fact you are likely to get bashed by both.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/25/2008 5:23:34 AM

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Now, for Hollywood to move on from the narrative based on the 'good guy/bad guy' dichotomy... it's soooo boring, and it's pervaded through absolutely everything (see: international relations).

Oh, no, forget it: it would mean making movies at an adult level.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/25/2008 6:11:08 AM

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Now, for Hollywood to move on from the narrative based on the 'good guy/bad guy' dichotomy... it's soooo boring, and it's pervaded through absolutely everything (see: international relations).

Oh, no, forget it: it would mean making movies at an adult level.

Oh c'mon, there are plenty of movies that don't use the good guy/bad guy formula. I think they have gotten better about that in the last 20 years. I remember all those ridiculous action movies they put out in the 80's. Occasionally I will watch one of the movies from my youth and wonder to myself why I liked it so much. But the answer is always right there....oh yeah, I was a kid. I think my biggest gripe lately is the use of comic books for story ideas. Every summer, I fight a losing battle with my friends to go see something other than the new comic book based, computer effects saturated blockbuster. I can't stand those movies. But I don't get snobby about it.

I have no room to talk, I love horror and science fiction B-movies. I'm fanatical about movies like that; I have even attended B-movie conventions. If I see a movie with a title like, "Pyschopathic Chainsaw Cheerleaders from the Planet Neptune" I feel compelled to investigate. I embarass the hell out of people when they go to a video rental place with me. So there is something for everyone when it comes to entertainment.

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