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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:13:32 PM   
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You don't understand what I'm saying sorry. The bad guys probably would be French in a French film because they see no reason to cast the bad guy as someone else to win popularity to a home audience.


What a WONDERFUL way to continue your Hollywood conspiracy theory. Unfortunately, that's all it is. A theory.

Where's your outcry for the Nazi's being the bad guys in the early Jones films?

Where's your outcry for the varioud europeans being the bad guys in the Bond films? I don't think it was a British guy EVER.

Oh and by the way, Casino Royale.....the main bad guy Bond faces at the card table is named Le Chiffre. Care to take a guess where he's from?

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:21:53 PM   
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This is why it is important to try to not produce material that can be interpreted in a negative way.


I have to disagree here, FC. This shouldn't be in the mind of the artist (or hack) as they produce their work.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:23:05 PM   
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Hollywood has trotted out the next potential foreign foes for its upcoming blockbusters:
 
1- Le Beaver, from Canada, played by Celine Dion.
 
2- Kangarooney, an Austrailian that possesses the body of 60 Mintutes correspondent Andy Rooney.
 
3- The Siesta Squad, a team of Mexican super-villains.


Actually, Aussies are covered. The 'double agent' from Indiana Jones 4 was an Aussie.



Was his name Kangarooney? Those idea-stealing pricks....

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:23:12 PM   
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This is why it is important to try to not produce material that can be interpreted in a negative way.


I have to disagree here, FC. This shouldn't be in the mind of the artist (or hack) as they produce their work.


I wonder how many awesome movies that have come out over the years would not have if the writer were fearing what people might say.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:24:06 PM   
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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:27:36 PM   
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Where's your outcry for the varioud europeans being the bad guys in the Bond films? I don't think it was a British guy EVER.

Oh and by the way, Casino Royale.....the main bad guy Bond faces at the card table is named Le Chiffre. Care to take a guess where he's from?


Britain... Flemming based the character Le Chiffre ( the figure ) on Aleister Crowley a British occultist.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:27:38 PM   
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This is why it is important to try to not produce material that can be interpreted in a negative way.


I have to disagree here, FC. This shouldn't be in the mind of the artist (or hack) as they produce their work.


I wonder how many awesome movies that have come out over the years would not have if the writer were fearing what people might say.



Movies, books, paintings, songs....

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:28:13 PM   
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Even movies with no bad intentions what so ever get protested.  I still remember people picketing the reshowing of "Fantasia" because it supposedly stereotyped fat people, gays, and a host of ethnicities along with promoting drug use.....Okay, maybe it did promote drug use. 


Yeah, didn't the Wizard of Oz promote LSD? What with the flying monkeys, the little people and the golden road with the talking scarecrow and such?

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:28:39 PM   
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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:30:01 PM   
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Even movies with no bad intentions what so ever get protested.  I still remember people picketing the reshowing of "Fantasia" because it supposedly stereotyped fat people, gays, and a host of ethnicities along with promoting drug use.....Okay, maybe it did promote drug use. 


I wouldn't know, sb, I was too stoned when I saw it to notice.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 4:42:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		A major summer film costs about $150 million dollars to make and the same again to market.  The primary goal of such an enterprise is to make money and recoup such a huge investment.  A successful big film will still be lucky to make it's costs back from the domestic market (the US) alone and so will usually only go into profit when foreign sales and the dvd market and TV are taken into account.  Many of the films being discussed here will be dubbed into loads of languages and the bad guys will sometimes take on new nationalities, to better maximise profits in each territory. 

Strange as it may seem, even as resonant an image as a swastika has little meaning in some of these markets, the average cinema-goer or dvd-renter in Chengdu most often has no idea who Hitler was and can't tell a Frenchman from a German from a Yank.  It's irrelevant. What is relevant is that the hero is likeable and identifiable and that the villain is clearly the bad guy and usually, more powerful than the hero.  Basically, national characteristics don't always translate well and while the makers may indulge in them, they are a low priority.  Hollywood villains are often played by the English because the accent (in test screenings) sounds "cold" - and therefore more likely to be evil - to American audiences but there are still a plethora of positive English characters - there isn't that much of an agenda there.

That is not to say that racial or national stereotypes are not used overtly and covertly by the makers at times or that casting is an unbiased practice.  They both happen but if someone has a smash hit with a foreign accent (like Arnie) you soon see imitators (like Van Damme).  Will Smith is popular everywhere, which is why Hancock can afford to take more risks with the hero stereotype but there is far more to films than action adventure - I think Tropic Thunder is going to be extremely big and it plays some very sophisticated games with these stereotypes.

The Russians are probably screwing about the new Raiders film because they will miss out on box-office; the locals don't want it. 

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/26/2008 5:01:03 PM   
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Anyone have a copy of Pyschopathic Chainsaw Cheerleaders from the Planet Neptune? Sounds like my kind of movie.


Yeah, it's coming out on late night Cinemax real soon.  .  If you want to a great site about B-movies go here :

http://www.badmovies.org/

It's a great site for B-movie fans. 

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/29/2008 9:43:41 PM   
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I saw it LAST NIGHT and I thought the film was POOR.

Hero: Indiana Jones: (Ageless, Agile, 9-lives v. aging, less capable, and more vulnerable)

Villain: Dominatrix Style Russian KGE Agent: (Pretty, Brunette, single-minded, devoted to Stalin)

Hero's bastard son: (A 50s style rocker.)

Hero's ex lover: (Bitter x-girlfriend who aged poorly.)

Lunatic Sage: (Enables the writers to move a plot along by hocus-pocus.)

Action scenes: (Entail visual appeal but no suspense.)

No character is two dimensional, and old formula of IJ action seems pointless and silly throughout.

Ending is a jungle-location ripoff of the FIRST MOVIE.

Other irritations: Movie trivializes nuclear weapons, likens the earth and nature to a theme park, and confuses the PAST with historical props.

For me to be more engaged, the adventure has to have some sense reality, history, and adult tensions to it.


It was awful- I'll grant you that it was just a terrible movie.  But Karen Allen is still beautiful.  Her smile was one of the few redeeming features of this movie. 

I turned to the friend I was watching this with at the "snake scene" and said "Wouldn't the pulling have pulled the snake apart?"  She turned and looked at me and said "Of all the improbabilities currently flashing before our eyes, THAT is what you are focusing on?"

Sigh.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/30/2008 3:07:39 PM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080523/film_nm/russia_indianajones_dc

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ST PETERSBURG, Russia (Reuters) - Russian Communist Party members condemned the new "Indiana Jones" film on Friday as crude, anti-Soviet propaganda that distorts history and called for it to be banned from Russian screens. 


Is this all the commies in Russia have to do these days?  OMG, this is just too funny. 


no, they are rebuilding their army and are growing towards an oil and gass supplier.
I don't like their presidents, bu the last one put Russia on the map again...and in a few years...they are a world power again.
propble they don't complain about movies any more..lol

weird that they didn't complain about this movie;
Valley of the Wolves - Iraq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Wolves_Iraq
but that s about bad americans in Iraq
rediculous movie btw.....but sadly giving a real disturbing picture about Americans. Wouldn't be supprised if it had russian supporters ;)


Russian Military isnt growing its shrinking, along with their population...

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/30/2008 3:23:24 PM   
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Tell me about it. If a person constantly needs to put down others, what does it say to you about their sense of self-worth?

And which nation puts down other nations the most ?


Russia

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/30/2008 3:26:20 PM   
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Why are you observations more accurate than mine I don't understand? You are talking about the nation that beat you to space and produced a nuclear bomb with a fraction of the resources you had through cunning.


You mean the nuclear bomb that they compied from the Americans?


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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/30/2008 3:28:01 PM   
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You'll find the majority of Russian's wouldn't change what happened in 1990, it made a lot of Russian's super rich and a lot of them poor. The rich Russians are the ones you hear complaining about the Indiana Jones film.


No its the other way around. Poor Russians complain.

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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/30/2008 3:29:36 PM   
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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/30/2008 3:33:57 PM   
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RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red - 5/30/2008 3:35:54 PM   
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No its the other way around. Poor Russians complain.


The poor ones were bad off in either situation the rich are the ones that hypocritically get lost in the romance of the past. The media is run by a select few and the poor don't get a voice so if you listen carefully you may hear the squeak of a mouse, that is the poor complaining in that society.

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