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RE: Guns or gas? - 5/24/2008 1:42:12 PM

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Do you know what the odds are of having to skin a deer with a knife inorder to survive? It's not going to happen.

The hunter gather period is long over and there is no way people could survive on hunting in the modern age. There is simply too many people.

Here is my survival list:
Tins of food.
Bottled water.
Car with fuel.
Mental map of how to leave the city .
Passport.
Small barbeque.
First aid kit.

If I was going to add a gun to the list, I would go for a .38 sp snobnose revolver.

Far too simplistic for my tastes. What my survival kit consists of depends on which one... I wont get into the cabin, cause up there I have a year of food, 1000 gallons of water, etc...

However, living in houston where we could get a hurricane I have a Sig 226 (my regular carry piece) and a Baretta 92 both in 9mm, a mossberg 500 mariner 12 ga, and an AR-15 with 10 loaded 30 round clips. I also have five coils of barbed wire in the garage so that I can set a perimeter fast if I need to. That and a remington 700 in 308 with a night scope will keep my home safe from maurading refugees - anything in the wire is tresspassing... To ride it out I have generators, pumps, MRE's to last for two weeks, a water purifyer, antibiotics, etc...

In terms of practical survival stuff - Up in the attic; I have a chain saw with a carbide chain, an inflatable raft, an EPIRB, a gps reciever, a couple of old flight suits - complete with harnesses, inflatable life vests, and survival vests (that has a strobe, smoke, flares, etc) I also have an aviation band transciever.

See unlike the idiots from Katrina - I could saw my way out of the attic right through the roof and either deploy my raft or call for help. The airband transciever, flight suits etc is BRILLIANT. None of this waiting three days for pickup shit... Climb out on the roof, activate the EPIRB, then tune the aviation transciever to 121.5 or 243.0 "Mayday Mayday Mayday, Coast Guard Helo require immediate extraction at (gps coordinates)." Sit down have a smoke and an MRE while I wait 20 minutes for the helo and when I see them its a simple "Roger that, I see you two miles out to the southwest, I am popping smoke, confirm orange smoke and drop the penetrator..." Sit down, strap over the shoulder, clip on a caribiner and viola Im out of there

Rescue swimmer doesnt even need to get out... See its all about being prepared...

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RE: Guns or gas? - 5/24/2008 2:00:13 PM

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Guns being given away doesn't bother me. Nor would it bother me if they were giving away chainsaws. Or bullwhips. What bothers me is that they may be giving these things to people who have NO IDEA how to use them.

SB4U,

We were talking about Arkansas earlier on another thread. My opinion of Arkansas in general is pretty low, but I do respect them in one way: parents really seem to know how to teach their kids about firearms. The first fall we were down here after having moved from Denver, we were a bit worried at the sight of kids walking up and down our country road, with rifles slung over their shoulders. Is this going to be a problem, or a danger to us? But in the seven years we've been here, we have never had a window shot out, or had anyone come hunt on our land without asking permission first. (One of them was even nice enough to share some of the deer steak with us for allowing them to hunt here.)

Guns are tools.

My idea of gun control is making sure people know how to use their tools well, and how to take care of them.

Just as an aside: As a survivor of an apartment break in/robbery, I can tell you that guns make a great threat, but smashing someone in the face with a 2X4 is much more satisfying.

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RE: Guns or gas? - 5/24/2008 2:01:29 PM

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Then going to the gun shop, having a background check done and still having to chip in the extra to get any sort of quality gun. Personally I've never used a gun in a crime (not coming to a full stop at my corner stop sign requires no weapons) but if I were going to I would just go buy one. Hmm then I'd have to register it so maybe I'd go steal one? Cept I don't know who to steal one from..Oh hell you're right.This is the easy way.

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Records for misdemeanour crimes of domestic violence
Fourteen States and the District of Columbia do not have
the ability to check records for misdemeanour convictions for
domestic violence because such records are either incomplete
or not fully automated.
An additional eight States indicated that flags are needed
on the conviction transactions to identify the conviction as a
domestic violence incident.
Nine States indicated that resource constraints inhibited the
identification of such offenders, and seven States indicated
that the Federal definition of relevant domestic violence
convictions was problematic.

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Mental health records
Fourteen States do not have the ability to access mental
health records for purposes of a background check at the
time of a firearms purchase.
Among States that are capable of checking records of
mental commitments, 24 States and the District of Columbia
utilize court records for such checks.
In most States, court records are the primary source for
data on those found not guilty by reason of insanity or
incompetent to stand trial.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/bcft04.pdf

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Firearm retrievals
The NICS and several State systems
do not prohibit a Federal Firearm
Licensee from transferring a firearm to
a buyer, when the dealer has not
received a response within 3 business
days of requesting a check (termed an
"open" by the NICS). A checking
agency may continue to research an
incomplete record even after a transfer
has occurred. If a disqualifying record
is found at a later date (termed a
"delayed denial" by the ATF), the
dealer will be contacted to determine if
the applicant completed the transaction
and received a firearm.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/bcft04.pdf

Great system. It seems it’s not so black and white so why do people think the system is perfect and no bad person can own a gun after seeking a license?

I hope these problems have been ironed out since 2003/4 but I can't find the latest information so I don't know.

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RE: Guns or gas? - 5/24/2008 2:10:32 PM

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At $4.09 right now and climbing i will take the gasoline.

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RE: Guns or gas? - 5/24/2008 2:45:41 PM

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Ok folks, knock off the personal attacks please.

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RE: Guns or gas? - 5/24/2008 3:13:40 PM

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Guns or gas?

Well if you think about it. It almost depends on your personality.
Take for example: A taker would want a gun, so they could hold you at gun point for your gasoline. A giver wants things to share with others.
Realisticaly, end of the world situation, I'd take the gun. Not to hold people up for their gas. More for protection of what I have, and the ability to hunt. Add a reshelling kit, a knife, matches and that is all you need. There may not be much game anymore, but when your starving. A stray dog looks good.
Alot of people knock the gun, untill they are forced to use one. I'm sure if that day comes, if everything fell. Anyone/everyone is gonna wish they had a rifle, knife, and bullettes. Especialy if they see something to eat that runs away. Horses, llamas, cows.........maybe even people. Hard to tell what you would do, untill you're there.
Just a question to anyone that choose the gas. Do you know how to grow food? Becuase if you don't, and you won't hunt, then starvation is in your future.....in that highly unlikely event of an end of days guns or gas dilema.

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Makes me glad I am not stupid enough to eat meat, that I have never met. LOL Sincerely so glad to be country smart.

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RE: Guns or gas? - 5/24/2008 3:20:52 PM

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It's interesting to read surivialist websites. They tend to be gun nuts. yet they miss obvious things that can help you survive. For example a passport is a must have if you want to escape the country.

I think a jerry can full of fuel will get you further than a firearm in an emergency. Look at New Orleans. It was better to leave than stay and fight it out with a pistol.

Absolutely. Everyone I know who is ready to split at a moment's notice has the Pass ready and waiting, and a way to get money out of the country.

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RE: Guns or gas? - 5/24/2008 5:03:01 PM

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       As for the notion that this promotion is going to lead people to buy a car, so they can get a gun to go commit a crime, how freaking ridiculous can you get??? They are going to part with a lot more money at signing for the car than they would ever save at the gun shop.

       Prejudicial verbiage aside, of course there is a relationship between the two dealers. Chances are, those certificates are wholesaling at 10-30% less than face falue, based on getting customers into the gun shop. You don't just buy a gun, you accessorize as well. Tack on the carry case, trigger lock, holster, extra clips/speedloaders, and a customer feeling good about how much money they are saving, it's a win-win.

       The United States government does not have the right to deprive the citizenry of arms. That might change this summer, but I doubt it. Expect Republicans to take the White House and completely control Congress next year if it does.

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