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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 4:55:37 AM   
SweetNika


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If trust is broken there is no relationship at least not a healthy one regardless of it being M/s, D/s or nilla. If your questioning his faithfulness (which you obviously are) then perhaps there are other issues,underlying issues such as communication. Again without communication there is no relationship at least not a healthy one.
 
Slavery and submission is based on conscent you can revoke that conscent anytime. In the end even if it is about honour, it should only be about your personal honour. Can  you live with yourself, look yourself in the mirror if you walk?  Can you live with yourself, look yourself in the mirror if you stay? I strongly beleive that IF someone stops protecting me he has broken our contract thus I don't need to beg for anything yet alone release. And in my eyes if someone is making me question their faithfulness, myself, my status or asking things of me that I know are simply impossible or unhealthy then they are not protecting me.
 
Good luck to you.
 
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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 7:07:21 AM   
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It sounds to me very much like he has broken the boundaries of the relationship. He has no more right to go looking for someone on a paid site than a nilla boyfriend or husband would and if thats not part of your relationship than it is a monumental disrespect.

Respect is the word we are looking for here and its important that he have it for you and you have it for you. If not then thats an issue.  Based on what you have said, I would leave but thats me and thats based simply on the information given.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 7:39:43 AM   
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By all accounts I see you having two options in this.

1) You search deep inside yourself and if you want to salvage your relationship then do what needs to be done to save it.

2) Turn and walk away.






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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 7:54:52 AM   
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WALK away?  Shoot, I would run.  Like the WIND.  Someone thinks you are not the goods anymore because you're not a breeder?  OkeyDOKEY!  Then goes to hit on your SISTER?

eeeh.  Maybe run, but cut the crotches out of all his pants first. 

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 7:57:01 AM   
Maya2001


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I don't believe non consensual slavery is legal in Australia..... which means if you choose ...you can walk away at anytime and accept another Dom's collar if you want....he cannot enforce perpetual ownership over you as he has no legal standing

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 8:12:00 AM   
Evility


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quote:

ORIGINAL: darkeangelique
He won't - says i took an oath of ownership by Him forever.


Did you? Did you mean it? Did it include conditions?

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 8:16:12 AM   
SweetNika


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evility

quote:

ORIGINAL: darkeangelique
He won't - says i took an oath of ownership by Him forever.


Did you? Did you mean it? Did it include conditions?



Let me play devils advocate for a moment.
So what if she did take an oath and make a committment didn't he as well?
If you place your collar on someone aren't you taking an oath or giving your word (weather spoken or not ) to them to do certain things like master them, protect them, fulfill their needs, ect?
 
Blessed be,
Nika

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 8:19:01 AM   
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In making a reply, I should caution you that I don't believe in One Twue Way of BDSM. Rather, I approach the matter believing that certain principes hold true for all relationships, lifestyle or vanilla. A relationship is formed by some meeting of the minds between two people and requires the ongoing commitment of both parties in order to survive. The actions of one party may break the relationship by violating it's general principles in some fundamental sense, as where a husband abuses his wife or where either party cheats on the other. A D/s relationship may be broken where agreed-upon safewords or clearly negotiated limits are ignored. Only you know whay parameters were agreed upon in your situation: if he agreed to a committed monagomous relationship irregardless of your childbearing capability it would seem he has broken a fundamental assumption (and an important one in a world of dangerous STDs). It remains for you to decide how you wish to respond.
You express concern that a continuation of the relationship would give you a lonely existence. For myself, I would sacrifice happiness for honor but could never abide a breaking of trust.
Best of luck to you.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 8:29:59 AM   
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Has he got a gun to your head?  For heaven's sake, put on your big girl panties and do what you need to do.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 8:31:53 AM   
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I guess, as usual, I have a bit different take here than just "release yourself and run like the wind right now."  First of all, you say:
quote:

ORIGINAL: darkeangelique
i am really after some advice here. i have asked my Master for relase as i cannot give Him what he wants (a child)

Did you know this before you entered into the relationship?  Did you just find out?  Does your master feel that simply because you "cannot give him" a child that this is worth ending your relationship over?  None of this is mentioned.  Lots of people "can't give" children to their mates.  That doesn't mean they have to part ways.  There are alternatives and options.

Secondly, you say:
quote:

i don't want to be His nilla  partner any longer as i was devastated to find out that He has belonged to paid dating sites for the last 8 months and has been chatting on msn with a variety of women in explicit ways, and intuition tells me He has been seeing someone else also - but i have no proof of real contact

Again, what was the agreement in the beginning?  Before he became your owner, did he say something like: "I am giving you power to decide who else I have involvement with.  I will never chat with or be interested in other women.  I vow this."  If not, maybe running like the wind at the first hint of his interest in someone else isn't the wisest, most adult and mature choice.  Perhaps it wasn't mentioned at all and you just ASSUMED since he has you, he would no longer remember there are other interesting women in the world.  Assuming is always bad, ya know?  Did you assume or did he explicitly promise monogamy and then violate your trust?  Big difference.  I know in our particular M/s relationship, I don't exercise power over who He chats with, plays with, fucks or loves.  Not my choices to make for Him.  But that's just us.  We both agreed -in the beginning and BEFORE He owned me - that this is what we both wanted.  What did the two of you agree to?

Next, you say:
quote:

He won't-says i took an oath of ownership by Him forever

As Evility asked, "Did you?"  If so, you have some thinking to do.  It always amuses me how people enter into "life-long, forever and ever slave status," agreeing to be owned till death and then as soon as something doesn't go smoothly, they're trying to back out.  People do the same in "vanilla" marriages, of course, and it's just as hard to figure out then.  In my opinion, it's because (in both "vanilla" marriages and owner/slave dynamics and relationships) that people are willing to vow anything and jump in with both feet, never thinking times might get a bit rough and real compromise and change might actually be necessary.  God forbid.  If you agreed to become his owned property and you vowed to be owned by him forever, do you really think it's appropriate to decide to "release yourself" at the first sign of discontent?  Maybe you do.  But then, IMHO, you never planned to be "owned" at all, let alone for life.  It sounds way more romantic than it is as does "vanilla" marriage.  It's not all roses and love songs.  Sometimes it takes work and compromise.  Somtimes it takes accepting things you might not want to.  If you aren't willing to do that, then by all means, take the advice of the majority and release yourself and run like that wind they mentioned because your heart obviously isn't in it to start with.

Lastly, you ask:
quote:

What is my status?

As I just said, obviously it's what you want it to be, not what your "owner" thinks.  Decide for yourself and do what you want.  Sounds like you're already heading down that path anyway.  Good luck.................luci

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 9:00:36 AM   
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Definitely some problems here- Dark presumes that because she cannot become pregnant that this is such a completely pervasive issue that it negates all other possible fulfillment as a slave and requires her release.  She is not only deciding what her master will be fulfilled with, but how he will react and what the proper course needs to be about it.

Onto the dating stuff- there's obviously a lot of mistrust and hiding and issues going on here, it may well be best for everyone to just take a step back and figure it out on calmer ground. 

But then to go and immediately begin searching for another master suggests desparation and complete lack of self awareness as well so there's little hope for that.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 9:14:25 AM   
Evility


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quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetNika
Let me play devils advocate for a moment.


I was simply being facetious in my post. Anyone who would come into a forum and ask the kind of question that the OP posed here probably should not be left unattended for long periods of time. After reading these types of threads it is no mystery to me why society at large thinks we are all whacked.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 9:15:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveluci

I guess, as usual, I have a bit different take here than just "release yourself and run like the wind right now." 


And as usual, I loved your post.  Really well thought out, and along the same lines as I was thinking.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 9:56:03 AM   
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Remember: you always have the right to decide to stay or go.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 10:08:36 AM   
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my opinion on this topic aren't very popular, but here it is anyway:

humans, as a general rule, are not by nature monogamous. it is a learned or trained response put upon us by religion and emposed upon us by government. but, if it's not your cup of tea...move on...that is everyone's choice.




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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 10:10:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evility
Anyone who would come into a forum and ask the kind of question that the OP posed here probably should not be left unattended for long periods of time.


Maybe you were being facetious, E, but I wasn't when I said the OP should stay forever.  If an adult has to come here and ask if they must stay forever because they agreed to at some point, then they really aren't safe being out in the world all alone.

So my advice is... stay forever.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 10:11:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus


eeeh.  Maybe run, but cut the crotches out of all his pants first. 



now that made me laugh!  thanks LadyH!

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 10:25:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveluci

I guess, as usual, I have a bit different take here than just "release yourself and run like the wind right now." 


And as usual, I loved your post.  Really well thought out, and along the same lines as I was thinking.

Thank you, ownedgirlie.  Coming from you (my idol) that means a lot................luci

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 10:28:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

If an adult has to come here and ask if they must stay forever because they agreed to at some point, then they really aren't safe being out in the world all alone.

So my advice is... stay forever.



That's right - keep the damage confined, and noone else need get into trouble. - Thanks for the laugh! (I needed it badly right now also - just had one of those CM weird pm moments...)

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 10:34:51 AM   
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He does not own you. If your not happy, leave.

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