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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 10:42:18 AM   
Maestro66babycak


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ORIGINAL: darkeangelique

Hi all.

i am really after some advice here. i have asked my Master for relase as i cannot give Him what he wants (a child) and i don't want to be His nilla  partner any longer as i was devastated to find out that He has belonged to paid dating sites for the last 8 months and has been chatting on msn with a variety of women in explicit ways, and intuition tells me He has been seeing someone else also - but i have no proof of real contact.

So, i have requested He release me. He won't-says i took an oath of ownership by Him forever.What is my status? While part of me still loves Him, and He is a wonderful Dominant most of the time, i have lost respect for our relationship. What should i do?

Darke


Sweety, pack your bags and get out now before he starts making you believe his cheating is your fault. I speak from experience. Your situation mirrors mine except I know for a fact that Master cheats on me with other women.
You are so beautiful you could have any man you wanted...unlike me (troll fodder) ... I hope you do find happiness and soon.
Good luck sweety...
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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 11:15:40 AM   
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quote:

i am really after some advice here. i have asked my Master for relase as i cannot give Him what he wants (a child) and i don't want to be His nilla partner any longer as i was devastated to find out that He has belonged to paid dating sites for the last 8 months and has been chatting on msn with a variety of women in explicit ways, and intuition tells me He has been seeing someone else also - but i have no proof of real contact.

So, i have requested He release me. He won't-says i took an oath of ownership by Him forever.What is my status? While part of me still loves Him, and He is a wonderful Dominant most of the time, i have lost respect for our relationship. What should i do?

Darke


darke,
As was brought up by another, your profile appears to be a little premature. As to the appropriate course for you more info would be helpful. How long have you been with him?
Was your designation slave or submissive? If submissive there is no question that you can walk upon your own initiative. If a slave, a little more difficult.
Din you infact take a lifelong pledge? if so in writting or verbal or on line?
Are you two 24/7?

In the end, you can walk away as a free person but if your part of an organized group down under you may suffer some reputation damage if you took a slave oath and broke it.

good fortune.

CP

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 11:25:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: darkeangelique
He and i will never be together again, for a variety of reasons His and mine, if He refuses to release me and i am to be bound by that, i have a very lonely future.

Does a sub have the right to demand release, and have it granted, when a relationship goes pear shaped?


The person I was 25 years ago is, in no way, qualified to make choices (or committments, vows etc) for the person I am today. With growth and introspection, I have to make new choices, meet new challenges that weren't part of my life back then. Who I was will always be with me .. that part hasn't gone away, but that person is only 'part' of me now .. all this new stuff has to be taken into account as well and all that new stuff may very well mean that old connections have to be severed in order for who I am now to thrive. Whether or not someone else wants to acknowledge that or allow it is beyond the scope of my ability to change. I can't force someone else to act or react based on who they want me to be as I can only act or react based on who I am now .. a quite different, more mature, more knowledgeable and self-reflective person than I was at some past time.

Is it the same way for you?

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 11:37:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: darkeangelique

What should i do?



Depends on how you feel about the situation but personally... If I wanted to leave I'd leave, regardless of it he released me or not. With very few exceptions, I have an extremely low opinion of those who choose to not release or try to force people into staying with them when they want to go. I couldn't serve someone I had such little respect for.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 11:38:17 AM   
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say bye-bye

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 12:18:23 PM   
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You may want to leave but I have to ask was his saying "no" to releasing you more to the point that your not being able to give him a child did not matter to him?  I think you need to talk this out with him.  Then if you still want to leave, go ahead and do so.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 12:23:02 PM   
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Going against popular opinion...

Beg release. If you don't receive it, suck it up and stick it out. you made the commitment. Stand by your word.

CD

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 12:54:46 PM   
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Three thoughts/issues.

First, I think if you are going to discuss the issue of your oath to him, you should remember back and determine if monogamy was an oath he took to you. Honestly, this should ALWAYS be discussed and never ever assumed. Assuming things in a relationship situation (indeed, in any interpersonal situation) is a surefire recipe for heartbreak of one kind or another. I believe that it is best to be clear and discuss every aspect and possibility up front. It's worth the effort. In my experience, the most awkward and difficult conversations are the ones that end up creating the strongest bonding in any relationship.

Second, submission is empowerment. Every moment of every minute a sub or slave is choosing submission. The one thing we each own beyond all others are our choices. A submissive/slave irrevocably owns her choices and her resulting behavior. Every moment. The Ms. Abernathy slave training books discuss this in depth when the esteemed author writes about 'mindfullness'. I feel that if a submissive or slave does not own her choices, there would never be any reason for correction or punishment.

Lastly, any slave or submissive can always walk away if harmed or mistreated in a way that violates the agreement or the good faith of the relationship. Asking for release is a formality to be used whenever possible and reasonable. Doing so shows respect for the M/s culture. But ultimately, you own this choice too.

IMHO, you need to ponder these issues and then make (and own) your decision.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 12:59:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darkeangelique

Hi all.

i am really after some advice here. i have asked my Master for relase as i cannot give Him what he wants (a child) and i don't want to be His nilla  partner any longer as i was devastated to find out that He has belonged to paid dating sites for the last 8 months and has been chatting on msn with a variety of women in explicit ways, and intuition tells me He has been seeing someone else also - but i have no proof of real contact.

So, i have requested He release me. He won't-says i took an oath of ownership by Him forever.What is my status? While part of me still loves Him, and He is a wonderful Dominant most of the time, i have lost respect for our relationship. What should i do?

Darke


It is my belief that no human can own another human if that one wishes not to be owned.
Lost respect.  You have your answer.
You already know know what to do.

< Message edited by RealSub58 -- 5/26/2008 1:03:49 PM >

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 3:34:26 PM   
purepleasure


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My concern is more of in what way does your Master want you to provide him with a child?  As in offspring or as in a way not accepted by society?

Either way, you know it's over... catch the next train to "Happyville" and get on with your life with someone you can trust.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 3:41:50 PM   
uliveonce


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quote:

ORIGINAL: CruelDesires

Going against popular opinion...

Beg release. If you don't receive it, suck it up and stick it out. you made the commitment. Stand by your word.

CD


Oh please,

So one should stand by their word no matter what.  When the other party is the one cheating and dishonoring the commitment.  PUH - LEASE.  I don't care if she is a sub, is a slave, was rescued by this "man" from a bunch of Great White Sharks.  The bottom line is, he and she have no future together.  WHY drag her through the mud and damage her (more) being by keeping her tethered to someone who only (it appears) wants to keep her to rub her nose in it.

I say vote with your feet.  Be the better person.  Be civil, be honorable, but be gone.  Life is too short.

Marriage is forever and we have a 50%+ failure rate.  Why should D/s relationships be any different.

Cluebat -- they aren't different.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 4:15:20 PM   
KatyLied


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Dear Op:

Paul Simon has answered this for you:

The answer is easy if you take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle to be free
There must be fifty ways to leave your lover




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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 4:30:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darkeangelique
So, i have requested He release me. He won't-says i took an oath of ownership by Him forever.What is my status?


I run a TPE Dynamic... but it still requires consent, that means there is one decision I can not take for her.... she can at any time remove consent and leave. The Law of the land is such that again no-one can hold you against your consent.

What is your status?.... that is upto you. The oath isn't a binding one, unless YOU consider it so. If you don't and you wish to be free... pack your bags and walk out, call the police if needed, you can't be held against your consent. However if that is a road you baulk at then you are blowing hot air here, if you baulk at doing that if you have to then you are still in submission and choose to stay.


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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 4:53:05 PM   
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If monogamy was established early in your relationship and if either parties cheated on each other, then that would negate his demands from you being released. 

I feel you can sign any lifetime contract but legally, there is not one thing he can do to you to hold anything against you because you would be with him "forever" and I would tell him his contract would be null and void.  From what you have stated, this relationship is obviously not healthy for you. I would be out the door. 

In addition to what Katy stated about Paul Simon lyrics:

Just slip out the back, Jack
Makin' new plans, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me.
Hop on the bus, Gus,
Don't need to discuss much!
Just drop off the key, Lee
AND GET YOURSELF FREE! 

I cannot believe I still remember these lyrics and it is an old song. 

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 5:38:30 PM   
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First, I will say your profile and your question seem to have certain discrepencies that  belie the validity of a sincere need for advice.  There is some part of me that says your post was a bait for the Dominants out there who would be thrilled to have a submissive with your seemingly level of commitment and concern for breaking an oath, despite the fact it appears you are doing exactly that by simply implying you are free to be searching in the first place (as your profile implies).  Ok, that little disclaimer done, and my apologies offered if  I have wronged you with an unfair assessment.

Now, to the giving you the benefit of the doubt part.  I know that things are not always as simple up front, as walking away as others might suggest, even if I think they are right in their assessment.

I left my husband 11 years ago, but when I say that doing so was hard - I can't begin to express how much of an understatement that was.  I believed whole heartedly that I had vowed before my family, before my god and before my husband that I would love honor and obey him till death do us part.  I believed that I had entered into a Covenant with him and God and to leave would be the deepest betrayal.  Most of the Pastors who preached on the subject all said the same thing.  Only one spoke up and said something that made a difference in my life, and yes I believe whole heartedly saved it.  He said, "If you truly believe that you have submitted yourself to your husband, and given him authority over you, then you must believe that it is He who has the responsibility before god to uphold the Covenant made with God.  If he has failed to love, honor, cherish and protect you as HE vowed to do then HE has chosen to break that Covenant and because he is the Head of the Household, the consequences of His failures fall upon him.  You cannot betray an oath that you do not own, once you have given the ownership of it over to another. "  I did find validation in those words.  I found, for myself, a release (some might call it a loophole hehe).  Now, others may have a different view on D's and M's etc. and some might even be offended by my correlation between Marriage/Covenants & BDSM, but I'm not sharing this information for their benefit.  I'm sharing this information to bring into focus that sometimes our sense of honor, integrity, ethics and morality are stronger by fair than even our self-preservation instincts.  All of my self-preservation instincts at that time, demanded I leave, but my heart and my soul found it harder to escape. 

All that to say, sometimes it isn't as easy to hit the road jack, as one might wish.  Now, under different circumstances, different outcomes arise.  As is often the case, I leapt from the frying pan into the flames and found myself a year later back in a similar situation with a different man.  Except this time, it didn't last 10 years.  It lasted less than 6 months when I told him, "I may have promised before god, my family and my husband to love honor and obey him till death do us part, but I didn't promise YOU a damn thing!"  And I was gone that day.  Again, there is always a lot more to the story than the simple snippet I provided but pfft, I doubt anyone wants to read the book.

At any rate, whatever choice you make, I wish you the best.

Winsome


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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 5:46:29 PM   
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Personally i would walk. Im not the type to stay where im miserable too long.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 6:18:21 PM   
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He took an oath also but he failed to live up to that. Once that trust is broken the release has been done. No one can make you stay, you have to do what is best for you. Words cannot make me stay with someone I do not want to be with and do not care for or love anymore.

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 8:27:18 PM   
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To the OP...it seems there are many quite valid and variable suggestions and advice..IMO..any relationship needs 2...as far as I can see, there seems to be one missing, possibly 1.5 missing..:0)...you are definitely the 1..he the .5 as he has refused your release..I would question him as to why the refusal.??..what does he forsee as any reasonable way to reclaim this dynamic?.Once again poor communication, poor negotiation,poor understanding of ones self and partner seems to be alive and well within this pairing....Tempting

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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 8:54:45 PM   
darkeangelique


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Thanks for your honesty.

We did agree on a monogomous relationship - if He wanted to play with another He just had to be open about it. It was not place to make those decisions. That being said, He also wnated a tradition partnrship, marriage and children, in which case i think i have the right to be upset at his seeking other realtionships.

i did say forever, as a submissive. When i talk about lonliness or coming here to ask the question i originally posed, it was about my submission. i have no issues with seeking and living a nilla life and partnership, he was cheating.

i do not want to lose my 'honour' , for want of a better word, in the community. If it is felt that i have done the wrong thing setting up a profile and seeking a new D/s relationship, like marrying again when already married, because i gave my word and He wont give it back to me, then i will remove it. BDSM is an important part of my life - i dont want to give it up, but will if it is the right thing to do.




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RE: Release request denied - 5/26/2008 9:00:02 PM   
darkeangelique


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i do apologise, the question was certainly not bait. i am feeling quite embarrassed now, and do now think that it was a strategically poor move to raise the question - as someone else suggested, i been reflectng and i suppose i just wanted some affirmation of the decision i had already made, in my heart.

thanx

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