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What connected you with your submissive? - 5/26/2008 6:11:38 PM   
vampchick88


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Hi everyone,

   I know everyone has particular things that they look for, special qualities, or skills that they look for in a submissive. My question is what brought you and your submissive together?

   My personal story of when pet wrote to me he was so kind, open, and very patient even when I didn't answer his emails for a few days. When I told him a lot was happening in my life he offered his phone number....I thought it was some sort of ploy that he couldn't actually be concerned about someone he hardly knew. Then one night I decided why not. I called him and we've been talking everyday since last August. pet has many qualities that I find appealing, he's very good looking, kind, sweet, sensitive, he looks at me from his knees like I'm a Goddess that floated from the heavens. He is very talented and trained well, loves rubber (Yay!!) and is muscular, along with many other skills that I can't remember how I lived without.

    I know that everyone has a different story and I'm curious as to what brings people together. Thanks in advance. ~Lorelei

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/26/2008 6:43:27 PM   
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All of the submissive men I've adored have been intelligent, terribly kind and warm-hearted.  I don't have my own submissive (yet!), but I am sure he will be as well.

This thread is going to give me a toothache, I can see that already ... (smiling)

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/26/2008 6:53:13 PM   
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Both mine were completely accidental connections.
I had been talking to Angel for about 2 months, online playtime, but no real interest in one another aside from the emotional fix. We had a lot of common interests in music, movies and computer programming. We would talk on the phone for hours a night some nights. Being so far separated, we never really considered a face to face meeting, but we also didnt think we were what the other was looking for anyway. Just someone very cool to flirt with and talk to. I had friends who were getting married in Nashville, and half as a joke I told Angel he should meet me and be my ate since I was the only one slated to go stag. He agreed :) Then, the wedding plans were cancelled on me, and I was considering canceling the trip. Angel convinced me to come down anyway and he would play tourguide for the weekend. The moment we met face to face, though, we connected. It was a great weekend, even though at the end of it we separated for a few weeks. He wasnt expecting a connection and he was not prepared for it. Several weeks later, he told me the only thing scarier than being completely controlled by me was the thought of not having me in his life. We have been together since.

For Fox, we met out of boredom. He wanted someone to chat with about the lifestyle and to reassure him he was not alone. I had just given up seeking someone new. We went out to take pictures in the park, and we just knew. We have been finding more and more things in common as the relationship grows. We have been together since that day, and we got engaged in March.


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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/26/2008 6:59:20 PM   
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I tell this story a lot around here, but the bottom line was....... he showed up.

Some friends and I were talking in a chat room about going to a public BDSM club in Atlanta.  He happened into the chat room and asked if he might go as well.  I said, sure, since it was a public club and all.  He had mentioned about wanting to meet Me, and I told him that was exactly where I planned to be the following night.  Well, people talk a good game in chat rooms all of the time, so I didn't think much of it.  Long story short, he drove two and a half hours to meet Me, even though we live ten minutes apart.

So, I guess what I'm saying is, I have more faith in people who follow through with what they say.  If you're going to show up..... show up.  If you're supposed to follow through with emails, messages, or calls..... do it.  I think there are some submissives out there who would be surprised at the good reception they would get, if they would just do the things they say they are willing to do.


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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/27/2008 6:08:45 AM   
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I'm sure many have read this story before but since it was asked again, this is the story of Fox and I.

It was early in the fall semester in 1999. I was taking a language course in the evening and would be late or missing several community events but my husband, my slave, and the current young lady I was training were attending when they could. Some of the others on the group's steering committee told me that a young man came to a munch and he seemed very polite and very knowledgeable -- both rare qualities in recent experience among male dominants. I should meet him, they said, cause he could be an asset to the group.

I came after my class to a workshop my slave was leading and at the end said young man introduced himself. My fellow steering committee members were still so young in the scene -- he clearly was not a dominant, likely not a top with much experience, he seemed to radiant submissive to me. He asked if the group was doing anything post workshop but I declined saying I was tired from German which he too was taking though not at the same level as I. I said I hoped he'd be at the next munch and then left with my slave and husband.

Feeling a bit forward, my slave took me to get my hair cut before the next munch and I dressed up a bit more than normal. Then I sat down directly across from the new boy and I could see his eyes light up. We talked about kink, German, RPGs, he was in Physics like my husband had been, and he had the same mental illness as me it turned out meaning that he had the misfortune to be a childhood abuse survivor too.

At the end the end I asked him what he was -- top, bottom, dom, sub -- and he replied submissive and I smiled. We offered him a ride back to his dorm and continued the talk.

The next day I used my privileges on the steering committee to get his email and told him it was pleasure to meet him and talk to him further. He wrote back and signed his email with his name and a tag line that intrigued me:

"Fox Wolfe
A wolf who can stand by owner without a leash but what would be the fun in that?"

I wrote back and said "So, do you have an owner?"

And the conversation began.

He came over and checked out our gaming group a few days later. Then he went through all the formal paperwork to apply for training and within a few weeks he begged me to kiss him as he knelt on my bedroom floor.

How romantic is that?

The fact is, that Fox was being himself but he was also attentive to someone who interested him -- turns out the steering committee and others had been talking me up to him as they had him to me. He was very new and very young but he swallowed his fear and dived in knowing he had a community to ask questions of.

I had one slave, a husband and a trainee. I didn't need Fox, frankly had you asked me, I would have said I wasn't in the market at all. But I allowed myself to be open to an intriguing person. Honestly thinking only that he might be an asset to the community for the first month of our interactions and then only slowly letting the possibility of more surface in my mind. I had intended to either help a new leader grow or have a fun toy to play with for a while.

We don't always get what we want, sometimes we get what we need as the Rolling Stones said.

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/27/2008 6:10:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

For Fox, we met out of boredom. He wanted someone to chat with about the lifestyle and to reassure him he was not alone. I had just given up seeking someone new. We went out to take pictures in the park, and we just knew. We have been finding more and more things in common as the relationship grows. We have been together since that day, and we got engaged in March.



Congrats!

You've probably announced this before and I may have even said "congrats" before but "Congrats" again in that case.

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/27/2008 5:40:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vampchick88

My question is what brought you and your submissive together?



My Al contacted me on another kinky personals site.  His profile was incredibly lame - one of those one-liners - and he was too far away.  I declined politely.  Being a truck driver, he really didn't see distance as an impediment.  We started chatting and I found him to be sweet, open, and charming, but I still wasn't interested.  We had a date, and it was wonderful, but I still wasn't really interested.  I broke it off with him and started dating someone else.

The fellow I started dating was a wonderful guy, but not the guy for me.  When that ended, the lovely and talented Al was waiting in the wings.  We started dating again because I couldn't think of a good reason not to.  He came to see me as often as he could, which was pretty often.  One day it hit me like a ton of bricks - this was the guy I'd been looking for.  He met every single one of my criteria, not just the "needs", but also the "wants" and the stuff that I never expected to find, and stuff I didn't even know I wanted.  I felt really and truly comfortable with him - we were becoming good friends.  He really enjoyed the bits of me that had been problematic for previous boyfriends.  My kid even liked him - that was really unusual.  She'd never liked any of my fellows that she'd met.  I was in love, and fortunately he was, too.

He moved in temporarily, until he could find his own place.  That made me really nervous - I'd lived alone for 20 years (except for the kid) and really liked it.  I didn't know if I could adjust to having someone else in the house.  He fit in as though he was meant to be there.  He was a joy to have around.  My daughter was worried that I'd chase him off because I was so bossy with him.  ;)   Within a few months of his moving in I knew I wanted to marry him.  I'd never really thought about marriage except in an omigawd-why-would-anyone-want-to-do-that way, but with him I wanted it more than anything. 

It took me about 9 months to talk him into it, but he finally agreed.  I didn't give him a chance to change his mind.  The next day I bought the marriage license, and we were married as soon as the one week waiting period expired.  We did it over our lunch hour on a Monday.  We've been married 7 years now and are just as happy as we were on our wedding day.


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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/27/2008 6:10:36 PM   
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 I am so glad to hear stories with happy endings! I might be a Domme but the female in me loves a good love story! Thanks to all who shared.~Lorelei

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/27/2008 6:34:44 PM   
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I signed up on Collarme in November of 2007, hoping to connect with models and friends.  I had visited the site before, the previous year, but hadn't made a permanent profile.  When I first signed up, I had an idle hope that I might meet someone special, and I was sincerely hoping that special someone would be a male submissive, but I had no great expectations.

I was surprised (and unduly flattered) at first by the flood of mail from male submissives that I got...until I realized that the vast majority of it was really spam that was being sent to every female dominant profile on the site, and that the men sending it had no real interest in me whatsoever.  In the meantime, I started reading the forums and writing posts, which turned out to be much more fun than sending even the most cursory-but-polite response to Slave Spam.

Within a couple of weeks, I had noticed a few exceptional male submissive posters who occasionally contributed to the Ask a Mistress forum.  There was one in particular that caught my eye; his posts were literate, humane, intelligent and funny.  Additionally, his avatar was a nice clear picture of his face--always a plus--and it was a great face  He looked young, but he had clear intelligent eyes and a sexy little crooked half-smile that immediately made me want to smile back.  And as a kicker, his signature line was a quote from Firefly, which was a show I always liked.

I clicked on his profile and read it.  Much more information there about who he was and what he was looking for.  He was much younger than I would have thought or hoped.  On the other hand, we also had much more in common than I would have thought or hoped.  His chosen profession, his taste in entertainment and some of his favorite hobbies--these were all things that I could share with him.  He had a ton of interests ticked off, and I was quite intrigued to see that his "Lives For" and "Hard Limit" lists were both devoid of sexual acts, a gesture I recognized as being simultaneously satiric and sincere.

His profile dscription was poetic, funny, chaotic, revealing.  He stated his wants and needs without being petty and small about them.  He did not make the mistake, as so many people do, of stating a preference as a moral judgment or a threat.  He was looking for someone his own age, for example, but there was also a clear statement that age was not a deal-breaker for the right woman.  Since I felt the same way about younger men, I just nodded and went on reading, whereas the same preference, stated baldly or rudely, would have stopped me right in my tracks and probably kept me from ever talking to him. 

What was more important was that he actually seemed to be interested in being friends, especially with someone who might possibly understand a few of the literary, philosophical or pop culture references that he had made in the course of his self-description.  Talking to him, in other words, was not some kind of bizarre all-or-nothing gambit where he would instantly want to be my Love Slave or find any conversation with me absolutely without merit.  With that in mind, I sent him a quickie one-line email to say something positive about his web presence.  He had a nice picture, I thought his posts were intriguing, and I was glad I had swung by to have a look at his profile--I thought he was a very interesting boy. 

I said as much.

Looking back on it now...I can see that the spark was there fairly early on.  I knew he would be a good person to know and to embrace in some way.  I did not try to force the relationship in any particular direction, though; he was only nineteen, he lived very far away, and it seemed that his goals and ambitions would never really bring him into my orbit.  So...I figured there was really no potential for the kind of one-on-one D/S intimacy I was hoping for, and I'm sure he thought the same about me.  When we talked, via email or phone, I was straightforward about finding him attractive and worthwhile whenever the subject came up--but I made no effort to "Play Domme", establish a D/S dynamic, or assert control over him.  No titles, no games, no rules or assignments, no discussion of play, fantasies or sex per se, unless it was part of a discussion of values that might relate.  Instead we conversed as friends, argued over the phone about art and literature, and kept things deliberately light.

I treated him like a person and came to care for him as a person.  When he told me his college dorm room was cheerless and ugly, for example, I sent him some of my artwork to liven the place up, along with a silly valentine's day card. He sometimes made small but very touching gestures to show that the caring was mutual, as well.  A national news cast about deadly tornados that killed several people in my state:  my cell phone rings that morning and it's the boykin, sounding very anxious and wondering if I am ok.  Always there with a sympathetic cyber-shoulder if I was having a bad time, a bad day, or a bad meal--I had a perennial habit of putting dinner on the stove while working, getting distracted, and then scorching my food, sometimes to the point of being completely inedible. 

The current of mutual attraction and flirtation flowed beneath the surface of all this and would still show its dorsal fin occasionally.  But since the romantic and sexual angle had been dismissed, I talked to other people in the meantime, still searching for a Boy to Call My Very Own.  Eventually I even went on a date with an older submissive man from Atlanta, who drove up to meet me one weekend.  Not a terrible experience, but ended poorly--it's amazing the number of men who want a woman to be All-Powerful and Supreme in the dungeon and the bedroom, but can't deal with feminism at a dinner table!  The boykin was very sympathetic about it when I told him about the fiasco, but it retrospect I think he was probably glad that my little date struck out.    

Anyhoo...eventually he asked if he could come and visit me over his spring break.  I knew I would be just a few days returned from a tiring trip to Europe, that I would be scrambling daily to catch up with my work, and that I would not be able to give him my undivided attention--but I agreed to the visit anyway.  I had come to trust and respect him enough that I believed him when he said that he would not be bored.  He wanted to cook meals, kick around with me, and model for my photography; I thought all of those things sounded pretty good, especially having someone other than me cook--I was pretty tired of Blackened Everything on the menu.  And besides, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to meet him face-to-face, when so many people on the Internet are never willing to pony up in  meatspace.

All told, it was a little over four months between the first email I sent to him and the day I stood in the bus station waiting for him to step down from the Greyhound.  Once we met in person...any and all denial of the facts crumbled in pretty short order.  He has always felt very right, from the first, and the feeling has grown stronger any time we have touched.  Even when we communicated by by email, forum or phone, this was true.

So to summarize, I guess...what attracted me was his ability to write well, his intelligent eyes and his wry smile.  What made me want to spend more time with him was our shared interests and his character, which deeply impressed me: he is an extremely honorable and positive person with more strength, maturity and decency than most men twice or three times his age.  What moves my heart to the furthest sounding is his profoundly emotional nature, which rocks him with storms of passion and need which most people simply cannot ever experience, much less master and control.  It is a powerful and sometimes humbling experience to be the eye of those storms, from time to time. 

He is an amazing man.  The fact that he now wears my collar is both an honor and a joy.

I love you, Aidan.  Being your Mistress makes me feel like this.   

< Message edited by ShaktiSama -- 5/27/2008 6:40:14 PM >


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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/27/2008 6:37:29 PM   
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Aww.

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/27/2008 9:11:33 PM   
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His sense of humor, our similarities, the way he makes me laugh, makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside but at the same time ignites that red hot passion. His sensitivity really touched me and the way he doesn't judge people. He makes me feel content something that no other man has ever made me feel.

~Lashra


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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/27/2008 10:45:04 PM   
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Shakti,

quote:

ShaktiSama
He is an amazing man.  The fact that he now wears my collar is both an honor and a joy.
I love you, Aidan.  Being your Mistress makes me feel like this. 


Last night and today have been extremely stressful days for me.  Actually, this is a *huge* understatement.  As a consequence, tonight, I'm exhausted and had no intent of posting anything on Collar Me.  In fact, I only turned on my computer very briefly.  After reading your post Shakti, there was no way I could not post.  This is one of the most beautiful, heartfelt things I've ever read.  I've enjoyed other writings of yours that are more literary and proper in nature, but none are as gorgeous and moving as this.  Bravo to you and Aidan for cherishing each other and communicating to each other the way that you do.  I'm so incredibly happy for both of you.

Elan.

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/27/2008 10:54:42 PM   
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*ahem* Ok, Shakti, you and Aidan are in direct competition with Fox and I for "Gag me they are too damn cute" status...
(a status given to me by someone already in private, but still)




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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/27/2008 11:21:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

*ahem* Ok, Shakti, you and Aidan are in direct competition with Fox and I for "Gag me they are too damn cute" status...
(a status given to me by someone already in private, but still)


Hey DV,

You can't forget the nauseating, stomach churning mushfest that is Mistress Lorelei and me!  We're so in love that we'll make anyone lose their lunch with our sappiness!  LOL...   Isn't that right, my angelic gothic goddess???

See... 

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/28/2008 12:21:16 AM   
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Oh, I think plenty of you have 'won'.  I don't think some of you realize just how much the happy stories make people smile on the other end of the screen.  There are a lot of us who enjoy hearing the success.

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/28/2008 8:32:21 AM   
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Oh, I think plenty of you have 'won'.  I don't think some of you realize just how much the happy stories make people smile on the other end of the screen.  There are a lot of us who enjoy hearing the success.


I know I never get tired hearing 'bout this one. *grins impishly*

That post is going up on my computer desk. ^__^


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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/28/2008 8:43:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: aidan

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Oh, I think plenty of you have 'won'.  I don't think some of you realize just how much the happy stories make people smile on the other end of the screen.  There are a lot of us who enjoy hearing the success.


I know I never get tired hearing 'bout this one. *grins impishly*

That post is going up on my computer desk. ^__^



I hear you on that one, dude...

Hearing and reading praise from my domme ALWAYS puts a smile on my face...it makes my subby heart beat a little faster and my subby head a little fatter!

Look at that, the five amigos all have wonderful dommes!  Aidan, darch, geoff, rubberpet, and shawn...one happy group of subbies!!!  Yay!!!

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/28/2008 9:11:12 AM   
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We didn't come out as kinked till after we were married, so it's a little different than some stories.
We met when I was living with another guy and T worked with that same guy. The ex and I wanted to play D&D, T was one of those who agreed to join in. His character and my character became a team within the larger group...he tended to follow my lead and support my decisions, which more than once went against the rest of the group. (I was a thinker, the rest of the group was more shoort first, ask questions later.) We complemented each other in the game. Meanwhile, in reality, he reminded me of an eager puppy; he loved my brains and would lap up my conversation...at the same time, I thought he was vain and immature. (He wasn't vain at all, actually. But he did have some growing up to do.) He saw me as a challenge...he saw how miserable I was in the relationship I was in and was just SURE that HE could make me happy. The ex became my ex as the D&D game was petering out...he did the dumping, not me! I tried to save the relationship, but it wasn't happening. A week after our final, formal breakup, T asked me out, afraid if he waited I'd slip out of his life. I said yes, with the caveat that I didn't actually think it'd ever work.
It was a bumpy road...not least when I carefully informed him that, oh, by the way, I'm a sadist and a dominant and I'd like to bring that into our lives...The poor thing looked like he wanted nothing more than to jump out the window and run away, but he didn't, and even went so far as to give it a shot. Years went by as we sorted out what was him and what was socialization and everything else about our relationship, both vanilla and D/s/S/m. We've actually just recently hit new levels on the D/s front, but I knew we were set when we had a huge blow-out in 2002 and he didn't try and take back the kink. :P Since then, it's just about continuous improvement. :)

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/28/2008 9:16:28 AM   
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Well ALL of you get the big AWWWWWW!!  from me!!  and an alien happy dance!

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RE: What connected you with your submissive? - 5/28/2008 11:55:13 AM   
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Shakti,

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ShaktiSama
He is an amazing man.  The fact that he now wears my collar is both an honor and a joy.
I love you, Aidan.  Being your Mistress makes me feel like this. 


Last night and today have been extremely stressful days for me.  Actually, this is a *huge* understatement.  As a consequence, tonight, I'm exhausted and had no intent of posting anything on Collar Me.  In fact, I only turned on my computer very briefly.  After reading your post Shakti, there was no way I could not post.  This is one of the most beautiful, heartfelt things I've ever read.  I've enjoyed other writings of yours that are more literary and proper in nature, but none are as gorgeous and moving as this.  Bravo to you and Aidan for cherishing each other and communicating to each other the way that you do.  I'm so incredibly happy for both of you.

Elan.


Me too!

ME

(in reply to ElanSubdued)
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