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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 2:21:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would like to say, you're welcome and thank you for remembering us. Why wait for a federal holiday to thank a vet? For me, any day of the week is just as good, if not better, to say thank you. 
HippieKinkster is right. Veterans Day is the official day set aside to thank a vet. But I don't see any reason why we can not thank those who died and those who remember them, any time we want to publicly thank them. Although dead, their memories are kept alive by those who loved them. So let me say thank you to all the family members/friends who have lost a loved one. Mothers and fathers, a grateful nation owes you so much for your sacrifice of a son or daughter. May you find peace on this Memorial Day.
 
 
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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 2:25:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Veterans Day is the official day set aside to thank a vet.... unless you are a medium, you cannot personally thank those for whom Memorial Day is intended,.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 2:33:31 AM   
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Veterans Day is the official day set aside to thank a vet.... unless you are a medium, you cannot personally thank those for whom Memorial Day is intended,.


If this was meant for me, which seems to suggest it is, you will notice that I also gave thanks to the Fathers and Mothers who lost a son or daughter to war. I give thanks to the dead on Memorial Day, out of respect for their loved ones who are still living. I also said that Veterans Day is the official day to give thanks to a Vet. Read my post again. I can thank anyone I want to today. Whether I am a Medium or not.
 
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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 6:02:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

As a veteran I would like to thank you for turning a polite and touching tribute to the men and women who have served into a political slam on "Bush and his minions" and an endorsement of "Pres Obama"....


Some people can't create a post without throwing in a slam about Bush (or the left if said poster is riding on the right side today)

I think it is some kind of illness and wonder if they dream about the guy in their sleep also.

On to the OP:

I think this is a wonderful thread. I salute them also.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 6:08:26 AM   
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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 6:59:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

As a veteran I would like to thank you for turning a polite and touching tribute to the men and women who have served into a political slam on "Bush and his minions" and an endorsement of "Pres Obama".... (As his fellow democratic candidate aptly pointed out, he hasn't lived to November, much less been elected so that title is a bit premature.)

For the record - lets add some special thanks to two distinguished Naval Aviators -

LT. George H. W. Bush, USN - winner of the Distinguished Flying Cross, three air medals and a Presidential Unit Citation.

and

CAPT. John Sidney McCain III, USN Ret. - whose 17 decorations include the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Bronze Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, Purple Heart, and Navy Commendation Medal. 

Let us also not forget to thank another man who served his country honorably in the cockpit of an F-102 as one of the elite 147th - "The Guardians of the Gulf"...  

1st Lt. George W. Bush, Texas Air National Guard.

Gentlemen, as veterans and fellow pilots, I raise a glass of Jerimiah Weed in your honor - FOX TWO!



Ok, now that Memorial Day is over let's get to some serious slamming.  Regardless of whether I agree with their politics, the elder Bush and McCain were heroes and deserve a salute, but to include the Coward-in-Chief does a disservice to those who have died in our wars. 

This "man" used his family's political connections to get an Air Guard slot in the middle of a war that's difficult to get even in peacetime.  In the process he stepped over more highly qualified people in order to avoid the draft. 

By all accounts he was a vocal proponent of our presence in Vietnam yet that didn't translate to him seeking out combat duty.  Now he has the audacity to send another generation to their deaths in a questionable war when he didn't have the courage to put himself on the line when it was his opportunity. 

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 9:02:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		What connections did our former draft dodger-in-chief use to avoid the war?

The guard, believe it or not,has NEVER been the way to avoid going to war.  Guard soldiers did serve and die in Vietnam.  Units of the Maryland National Guard went in with the earliest troops sent "officially" into Vietnam.  Was it safer than going active duty?  Sure.  Was it somehow less honorable than running to Canada or running around doing drugs and waving signs while others went to die in your place?  Exactly the opposite.  I will vote for any former military member twice before I vote for one of the cowardly bastards who spat on men like my father when they returned home.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 10:01:58 AM   
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Lest we forget, "Memorial Day", or "Rememberance Day" as it is called in Canada and the UK, was begun to commemorate those who died in WWI. It is called MEMORIAL DAY because we remember those who died. DIED. We don't commemorate the living. That's what VETERAN'S DAY is for.

Before any of you swinging dicks piss your panties, I got my DD214.


Yes, it was originally called "Armstice Day."  It was originally a day to remember the end of the "war to end all wars."  But it was later changed to Memorial Day to remember all the fallen. 

That being said, there isn't anything wrong with extending thanks to those that served and lived to tell about it. 

Armistice day is what we now call Veteran's Day, Nov. 11th "The eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month" which is the anniversary of the armistice that ended WWI. The British and canucks honor this day as well.

Memorial day is the holiday that emerged from various Decoration Day celebrations around the nation intended to honor the Civil War dead. Decoration as in putting flowers and flags on headstones. This is a strcitly US holiday.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 10:08:05 AM   
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The guard, believe it or not,has NEVER been the way to avoid going to war.  Guard soldiers did serve and die in Vietnam.  Units of the Maryland National Guard went in with the earliest troops sent "officially" into Vietnam.  Was it safer than going active duty?  Sure.  Was it somehow less honorable than running to Canada or running around doing drugs and waving signs while others went to die in your place?  Exactly the opposite.  I will vote for any former military member twice before I vote for one of the cowardly bastards who spat on men like my father when they returned home.

Then you shouldn't have voted for GWB.
The F-102 was pulled from Vietnam service before he joined the squadron. The squadron was well known to exist strictly to keep the sons of the wealthy and the connected from going to Vietnam without having to actually resist the draft.

Your father and everyone who served while that squadron was used to protect those men had a little less because our military budget had to include these men. Did those diverted dollars result in casualties? I don't see how the question can be answered but my gut says taking funds away from the real military to support a bunch of cowards did harm.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 10:13:04 AM   
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.  Was it somehow less honorable than running to Canada or running around doing drugs and waving signs while others went to die in your place?  Exactly the opposite. 



People conveniently forget that not only were draft exemptions far from egalitarian in their distribution, but that initially Canada actively screened out black males from the US when offering 'asylum'... Sending others into harm's way on the basis of elitist and racist loopholes is nothing to be bragging about.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 10:15:17 AM   
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LEST WE FORGET THE SPECIAL PURPOSE OF THIS DAY, I TAKE THIS MOMENT TO SALUTE THOSE AMONG US WHO HAVE SERVED IN UNIFORM WHETHER OR NOT YOU WENT TO WAR! iF NOT YOU WERE SIMPLY FORTUNATE.

THIS SALUTE APPLIES TO THE "D"'s AS WELL AS "S"s

tHANK YOU!

cp


Hey Guys....unbunch your boxers and try to remember what the thread was about, please?



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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 10:18:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

LEST WE FORGET THE SPECIAL PURPOSE OF THIS DAY, I TAKE THIS MOMENT TO SALUTE THOSE AMONG US WHO HAVE SERVED IN UNIFORM WHETHER OR NOT YOU WENT TO WAR! iF NOT YOU WERE SIMPLY FORTUNATE.

THIS SALUTE APPLIES TO THE "D"'s AS WELL AS "S"s

tHANK YOU!

cp


Hey Guys....unbunch your boxers and try to remember what the thread was about, please?

You mean the incorrect premise that the people who are honored on Memorial Day could read a posting on the internet?

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 10:20:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thread was about the fact that people can't even be bothered to figure out what Memorial Day is for, and persist in trading glib platitudes about 'thank a vet' as a slap in the face to the war dead.  That fits hand in glove with the revisionist position that sending poor and minorities to wear a uniform, with the risk of getting killed in one's place is a good and noble thing.

Both notions deserve to be excoriated.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 10:27:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		let me tell you something Ken. Before i remarried i was the widow of a veteran who died of his combat related injuries. This is HIS thread. CleticPrince did not write it for him, did not know anything about him, or me...but this is HIS. It is also the thread of every Veteran who gave his/her life for their country. It was written as a thank you to them.

And you are correct that they are not reading this...but guess what? Their widows are...their sons...their daughters, their parents....
If you have so little respect for the heros who lost there lives, at least have respect for the unsung heros who still bear the scars of losing their loved ones.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 10:40:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well said Sirsholly and my apologies for going off the track.

edited because my typing stinks.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 11:49:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

let me tell you something Ken. Before i remarried i was the widow of a veteran who died of his combat related injuries. This is HIS thread. CleticPrince did not write it for him, did not know anything about him, or me...but this is HIS. It is also the thread of every Veteran who gave his/her life for their country. It was written as a thank you to them.

And you are correct that they are not reading this...but guess what? Their widows are...their sons...their daughters, their parents....
If you have so little respect for the heros who lost there lives, at least have respect for the unsung heros who still bear the scars of losing their loved ones.

Nice try Holly but you're wrong as is usual. Here's the original post in this thread:
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

LEST WE FORGET THE SPECIAL PURPOSE OF THIS DAY, I TAKE THIS MOMENT TO SALUTE THOSE AMONG US WHO HAVE SERVED IN UNIFORM WHETHER OR NOT YOU WENT TO WAR! iF NOT YOU WERE SIMPLY FORTUNATE.

THIS SALUTE APPLIES TO THE "D"'s AS WELL AS "S"s

tHANK YOU!

cp

Nothing in there about service related death. It was specifically about thanking vets alive today for their service. Which is a great sentiment but not what Memorial Day is for.

Try and remember that people can actually go back and read things in a thread so it is terribly unwise to actually make up your own facts about previous posts.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 11:57:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		So the original point of this thread was to pay respect ..... I think holly's probably a bit closer than we've been.  Its a day to remember who and what we've lost.  For some it was just their innocence.  For others it was their lives.  For others it was their minds.  Who are we to put down ANY sacrifice no matter how small?  It takes a tiny insecure little person to have to do that.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 12:02:02 PM   
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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 12:03:26 PM   
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So the original point of this thread was to pay respect ..... I think holly's probably a bit closer than we've been.  Its a day to remember who and what we've lost.  For some it was just their innocence.  For others it was their lives.  For others it was their minds.  Who are we to put down ANY sacrifice no matter how small?  It takes a tiny insecure little person to have to do that.

Who's putting anyone down for their sacrifice? I and a number of others have pointed out who is really supposed to be comemmorated on Memorial Day we certainly did not put anyone down for their sacrifice. You might want to try climbing down off that high horse you're trying to mount and start reading what people have posted.

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RE: A Salute to Some - 5/27/2008 12:10:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have read what you posted.  You posted that our president is a coward for his service.  Apparently niether he nor anyone else in that unit deserves the respect you claim to have shown.  This thread should never have been used to spew proBush or antiBush propoganda.  THAT in itself was an insult to the sacrifice it was meant to honor.

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