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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 12:38:21 PM

Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
The fact that they posited doing something highly illegal as part of WIITWD, and then vanished is entirely their choice, and leaves behind an impression that is quite frankly, worthy of ridicule.

First, I agree that this is way beyond my comfort zone in regards to risk and that I do not like the implication that something that could leave someone paralized with just the slightest of mistakes is in anyway part of edge play. I think this is best left to a highly skilled professional and only if absolutely medically necessary. My mom had one done but only because she was slowly dying and they were trying to figure out why.

I am curious as to why you consider this highly illegal as opposed to other things done in BDSM that are also illegal. Why is this a law that shouldn't be crossed and crossing others is okay?

Knight's Kyra

Because it is a untruth that I have refuted many times to say that consensual BDSM or alternative sexual practices are illegal.

Pedophilia, non-consensual activities, and performing actual surgery without a license are illegal, and I have no trouble making the distinction.

Anyone who cares to defend such things is welcome to their opinions.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 1:48:41 PM

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You can't find it because you can't spell it. And your comment about edge play is downright stupid - edge play is extreme, but presumed to be legal. Lumbar punctures are medical procedures, that can by law only be carried out by medical doctors in hospitals. Anyway, if you feel this is edge play, have the lumbar puncture, and don't forget to let us know how you like your new wheelchair.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 1:50:01 PM

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And no profile, of course, I shoulda known.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 1:50:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: angelicbitch

I understand its Edge Play... But Lumbar puncture's HURT .....not a pleasant thing .... ~just my two cents~

Actually, with a local anesthetic, they don't. I've had one. They do, however, feel really, really creepy.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 1:52:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

If he spelled it as lumber puncture, I doubt he has the training to do it.

I actually disagree...perhaps to just disagree. I'm a horrible speller due to dyslexia. I have even mispelled Fire as Frie. I left it 'cause I thought it was funny. I'm also have a physics background and still have to look up when to use doppler and dopplar.

Spelling, however, doesn't make the practice safer!

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 1:54:51 PM

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You are all such wimps. Growing up in Wisconsin, we did "lumber punctures" all the time...only we called it "fucking a knot hole". It is what you do when the sheep is uncooperative.

I think the OP had us all on in this one *smile*.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 1:56:57 PM

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I'm not quite sure why I'm so fascinated by this thread...the responces of people are really interesting (I have no interest in the actual topic).

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ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey
thats not even RACK

Yes, it is if all parties know the risks and consent. That's what RACK is about. It says nothing about safety or sanity. EVERYTHING falls under RACK if the two conditions of knowledge and consent are met.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 2:03:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: LPslittleclip

lumbar puncture is NOT! play if anyone is or has done this they need to be stopped. reported to AMA and sent to prison. no one in their right mind would want to do this. I'm a pain slut and a nurse and this just scares me. if any Dom or Top suggested this to me i would run away fast.

I'm in no way condoning this thread but...your reasoning as to not do it isn't quite valid. Fear is what feeds a lot of people and I've seen a lot of medical play in the scene...stuff better left to professionals (they were professionals). I don't understand why someone would want to do something so risky, but if everyone wants to do it, well, who, really is going to stop them from being stupid and doing it? We only get them after the fact.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 2:11:05 PM

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While everyone else has added thier two cents, I still need to throw mine in!

I know you said, "this is edge play," but I think - and it seems others agree - this goes beyond what constitutes normal edge play.

I smell a Darwin Award coming up!

Oh, and, um, good luck with that! Really!

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 2:15:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

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ORIGINAL: angelicbitch

I understand its Edge Play... But Lumbar puncture's HURT .....not a pleasant thing .... ~just my two cents~

Actually, with a local anesthetic, they don't. I've had one. They do, however, feel really, really creepy.

Master Fire

Yeah, my um had one when he was about 3 and I was at his bedside the whole time. He wasn't in any pain.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 3:06:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

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ORIGINAL: angelicbitch

I understand its Edge Play... But Lumbar puncture's HURT .....not a pleasant thing .... ~just my two cents~

Actually, with a local anesthetic, they don't. I've had one. They do, however, feel really, really creepy.

Master Fire

Yeah, my um had one when he was about 3 and I was at his bedside the whole time. He wasn't in any pain.

As I said in a post earlier on this thread, I have had 15 of them done. When they are done properly, they do not hurt, but as MFM said....they feel REALLY creepy. That is when they are done perfectly. In about half of the one's I have had done the needle has come up against nerves. When that happens you get searing hot pain that shoots down your legs and into your toes. That makes it very difficult to hold completely still, which is imperative to do. For that reason they usually have several people in attendance to hold you down....not to mention that you have to get into a tighter ball to have the test done than your body really wants to do. Contact with the nerves is not necessarily a product of the skill level of the professional performing the test...it has more to do with the very small space in which they are working. On the one occassion that the needle actually penetrated the nerve I can tell you that it was a doggone good thing that I had 4 people holding me in that tight ball position. THAT was pain to the 10th degree!

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 3:08:53 PM

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gosh erin that was hard to read....i am sorry....glad you are better....

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 3:14:57 PM

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i had one done at 9.5 months pregnant. squeeze into as small a ball as you can, they said. how do you squeeze yourself into a smaller ball than the massive tummy?? i bit his shoulder. hard.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 3:34:49 PM

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I'm guessing yours was probably an epidural rather than a spinal tap???

And suddenly...a light goes on about the possible nature of this thread....and I think I might actually feel sicker at that possibility.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 3:58:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

As I said in a post earlier on this thread, I have had 15 of them done. When they are done properly, they do not hurt, but as MFM said....they feel REALLY creepy. That is when they are done perfectly. In about half of the one's I have had done the needle has come up against nerves. When that happens you get searing hot pain that shoots down your legs and into your toes. That makes it very difficult to hold completely still, which is imperative to do. For that reason they usually have several people in attendance to hold you down....not to mention that you have to get into a tighter ball to have the test done than your body really wants to do. Contact with the nerves is not necessarily a product of the skill level of the professional performing the test...it has more to do with the very small space in which they are working. On the one occassion that the needle actually penetrated the nerve I can tell you that it was a doggone good thing that I had 4 people holding me in that tight ball position. THAT was pain to the 10th degree!

Very similar to the experiences had by someone I know well. I was there for some of them... a dozen or so over a few years time, more than one agonizing, one let all of the cranial fluid out...I don't even like to think about them as a neccessary medical procedure, much less as 'play'

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 4:26:59 PM

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If you let all the cranial fluid out, you end up with a herniated brain stem and stop breathing permanently. There really are valid reasons why only doctors do lumbar punctures- not nurses, not paramedics, not Joe Isusu who slept at the holiday inn express last night!

heck, if a dom is going to do a lumbar puncture, then he needs to have a go at trephenation (sp?). Before there were doctors, people had the evil spirits let out of their heads by trephenation, and actually survived. So - really, there isn't any good reason why an overly ambitious dom shouldn't have a go.

I'm thinking of a list of things doms could do that wouldn't necessarily kill their subs. They might end up looking a bit odd, but then , that could be a good thing.
breast implants - seen some doctors botch these up , so surely a dom could do as equally a good job.
tonsillectomy - all he/she would need really is a pair of pliers to grab those tonsils and rip them out. If he/she does a good enough job, then there is a fair chance that the sub won't bleed to death.
removing ingrown toenails - same as the tonsil - apply pliers and give a good yank.
circumcision - been done for hundreds of years by nonprofessionals. Not too many complications really.
lumpectomies - you know, lipomas, areas of fat necrosis, unidentified lumps - all fairly superficial, and probably wouldn't cause death or major deformities.
dermabrasion - use the old drill with a wire brush attachment to abrade away those old acne scars . what fun
myringotomy - putting an opening in the tympanic membrane of the ear. Usually a tube is put in when done in a hospital, but for the purposes of what we do, just putting a hole in the eardrum would be enough fun.

i'll do some thinking and could probably come up with some more things an amatur could have a go at. After all, as subs we are supposed to let our doms do what ever they choose to do without regard for common sense. besides, all these things would help with the household budget, since you wouldn't be paying someone qualified to do them. You could spend the savings on the trip to Mexico.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 5:02:31 PM

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You end up with the brain literally resting on the inside of the skull for several days until the hole in the fascia shrinks and the body replaces the CSF. To avoid a herniated brain stem you spend a long time in a hospital bed propped up at a crappy angle on PCM, which barely dents the pain.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 5:46:09 PM

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I have had epidurals and spinal taps.

I don't reccomend either one.

Oh, and HM is a dr. twice over, and if He wanted to do this, I'd direct Him to the next available sub...

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 7:57:18 PM

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Yeah, thanx for all that ppl.

I deleted my profile because of the abuse. Thanx for that too.

My Dom has a sick sense of humour, rather than look stupid in front of him with his Mind Fuck.... I guess we all have.

P.S. At some stage I might decide to tell him about this thread, he would be immensely amused.

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RE: Edge Players Only - 6/1/2008 8:07:34 PM

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Lol, what?

If you ask about sticking needles into your spine, you are going to get a lot of tongue in cheek answers. I give the same kind of answers to the guy that demands that I burn his balls off with a welding torch.

I don't have the medical training to remove parts of peoples anatomy, and I doubt your dom has the knowledge on where to stick that needle. If he was fucking with you.. then I don't understand the point of the thread, unless you were looking for sympathy.

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