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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 4:52:24 PM   
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Legally known as Chattel ?  I am perplexed as to how you can own someone without consent of said person and its legal ? 



Obviously to some individuals, property is more important and valuable than humanity. It's fucking abysmal, they're not even apologetic in the least  .

Given the nature of the CollarMe website, this is an extraordinary piece of irony, no?



We`re not talking about consensual bdsm here. We`er talking about slavery. So i dont see whats uironic in the slightest.

No, of course not......


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 4:53:12 PM   
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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 4:53:25 PM   
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No, it isn't, not in the context of this thread. Perhaps you have missed the posts that politesub and myself alluded to? Go back, it's illuminating.

I did...it wasn't


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 4:55:38 PM   
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I agree. Or why the fucking Kennedy family was allowed aboard a Naval Vessel for the burial at sea of their fuckup "pilot" JFK, JR. My dad was buried at sea from aboard a Navy vessel and I was not present - despite being a commissioned officer on reserve status....


Oh yeah I agree with that too.  He had absolutely no right to be buried at sea from a Naval vessel. 

I agree  he didnt earn that kind of honor. I also am deeply sorry you got dicked on your dad's funeral. It amazes me that they probably used some technicality like your reserve status I assume.

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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 4:55:59 PM   
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Whatever, man...

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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:02:05 PM   
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Legally known as Chattel ?  I am perplexed as to how you can own someone without consent of said person and its legal ? 



Well as for the legality of it, thats up to ya'll over there in the UK. You brought the slaves here while we were still a colony and set up the whole system.... Remember, the people who signed the declaration of independence were slave owners and at the time BRITISH COLONISTS. So dont try to dump that one on us - you folks brought the practice of slavery to the New World, you folks established the legality of the practice, and our law (except in Lousiana) is based on english common law... So its legal because - you brits made it legal, and it remained legal until the constitutional ammendment barring it.  

HOWEVER, as I originally said I was not debating the morality of slavery I was debating the unconstitutionality of emancipation without due process and compensation for the property seized. I am NOT saying slavery is right, I am saying at the time under the laws existing at that time they were chattel property and the southern slave owners were deprived of that property. There should have legally been a buy back program in which lincoln purchased the freedom of the slaves and then freed them. That would have avoided a lot of resentment, hatred, violence, and we probably never would have had a KKK form - which would have saved countless lives over generations.

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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:07:59 PM   
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Eye check? Conscience check?

Eyes are fine.  Conscience is right where I left it....

Yep, both check out.

There's nothing creepy being discussed on this thread.  Most of it is just American History 101.


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:11:42 PM   
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Lincoln SAVED the republic from those who would attack it and reduce our country down to either have the north and national government surrender or sue for peace under a nation with slavery spreading out as one if its paramount social values.

And if Lincoln had not been elected, the south would not have seceded.



Another example of boneheaded thinking, imo.


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:13:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dont expect me to condone Britains part in the slave trade, as that was equally abhorent. At least we abolished it in 1807.

You mentioned due progress, and as i said before, Lincoln was able to act against the south, and not the north, as the southern states refused to recognise the State.

Level, i am sorry for straying off topic.


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:17:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		DA, I really don't give a shit where your beloved daddy is buried. Nor do I care where anyone else is buried. They certainly don't care where they are buried either.

The point is that nobody is perfect. People are fallible and make mistakes. I'm sure you daddy did too, although his mistakes weren't covered by the press or recorded in history books. Why can't we respect and honor the memory of those imperfect human beings who served the country to , imo, the best of their ability and wish them R.I. P. ?

Mr. Rogers, my remarks re Lincoln were sarcastically made. You've heard of sarcasm and satire in your neighborhood, haven't you ?

And, slaveboy/celticlord? I have nothing to say to either of you because that ( and y'all) are hopeless, imho.

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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:24:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have her blocked so I dont get to see what she is saying except what is quoted in reposts. However, she is clearly on another tirade again and taking my words out of context in her unholy crusade against me etc...

Once again - I did not say emancipation was wrong. I said it was HANDLED ILLEGALLY and Lincoln ran roughshod across the constitution. I said that it was MORALLY RIGHT but LEGALLY WRONG in that the owners, who were in full compliance with the laws of the time, were denied property they had paid dearly for without compensation.

Again - had lincoln followed the law in emancipation there would have been due process and compensation under fair market value such as when a govt exercises emminant domain to seize real estate. This would have prevented generations of bitterness, saved countless lives, and probably prevented a group that spread decades of terror - the Ku Klux Klan - from ever forming.

To reuse my Bush emancipates the Ford Explorer analogy - if you take away my explorer and write me a check for what tis worth Im content and fine. I will wave to it as it drives by me. However, if you take away my Ford Explorer - give me NOTHING for it and Im out $38,000 well then Im seriously pissed and will take my wrath out on every Explorer I see even if it means putting on a hood and going out at night to ruin Ford Explorers wherever I find them... It sounds far fetched but even though morally wrong, under the law of the land at the time, the slaves had the same legal status as a Ford Explorer. They even came with a bill of sale / title when you bought them... They were whether you like it or not, legally considered property and until the 13th ammendment were legal to own.

If the matter was handled better, legally, instead of by proclamation the slaves could have been freed and much hatred, violence, and bloodshed averted. Now how is that so bad to say except that someone has a special hard on for me???

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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:24:05 PM   
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Lincoln SAVED the republic from those who would attack it and reduce our country down to either have the north and national government surrender or sue for peace under a nation with slavery spreading out as one if its paramount social values.

And if Lincoln had not been elected, the south would not have seceded.



Another example of boneheaded thinking, imo.


No, knowledge of history. Immediately after the election returns of 1860 were certain, South Carolina held a special convention specifically for the purpose of secession.  The election of a Republican President was the specific and immediate catalyst that initiated the southern states seceding.

Had the Republicans NOT won the election of 1860, South Carolina would not have seceded in December of that year. 


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:31:15 PM   
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And, slaveboy/celticlord? I have nothing to say to either of you because that ( and y'all) are hopeless, imho.

Don't know why you would say that.  I have an abundance of hope.


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:34:41 PM   
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Why can't we respect and honor the memory of those imperfect human beings who served the country to , imo, the best of their ability and wish them R.I. P. ?




Thank you Cjan....well said.


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:38:33 PM   
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No, knowledge of history. Immediately after the election returns of 1860 were certain, South Carolina held a special convention specifically for the purpose of secession.  The election of a Republican President was the specific and immediate catalyst that initiated the southern states seceding.

Had the Republicans NOT won the election of 1860, South Carolina would not have seceded in December of that year.
 

The usual blah, blah, blah from m'laird.

Wtf does that have to do with anything, relevant that is being dicussed here dude ? Imo, you just try to impress people with shit that you've read but, obviously don't understand or put to good use. Btw, it's not working for ya.


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:39:04 PM   
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Dont expect me to condone Britains part in the slave trade, as that was equally abhorent. At least we abolished it in 1807.

You mentioned due progress, and as i said before, Lincoln was able to act against the south, and not the north, as the southern states refused to recognise the State.

Level, i am sorry for straying off topic.




Politesub, you're doing fine, no worries.

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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:41:12 PM   
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And, slaveboy/celticlord? I have nothing to say to either of you because that ( and y'all) are hopeless, imho.

Don't know why you would say that.  I have an abundance of hope.



Well, some folks are just dumbasses, imo.


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:42:12 PM   
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No, knowledge of history. Immediately after the election returns of 1860 were certain, South Carolina held a special convention specifically for the purpose of secession.  The election of a Republican President was the specific and immediate catalyst that initiated the southern states seceding.

Had the Republicans NOT won the election of 1860, South Carolina would not have seceded in December of that year.
 

The usual blah, blah, blah from m'laird.

Wtf does that have to do with anything, relevant that is being dicussed here dude ?

It is the correction to your factual error about my comment on secession.


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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 5:55:42 PM   
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And, slaveboy/celticlord? I have nothing to say to either of you because that ( and y'all) are hopeless, imho.


When I stop crying, I'll try to get over the loss of your words.  You come on here and call people dumbasses because they disagree with you.  Way to win an argument, btw. 

If you'd actually take the time to READ a little about history, you'd know what we were talking about.  I have a BA in history from a pretty good university, and I graduated in the top 10% of my class.  So I don't really need validation from you.  Your opinions are misinformed.

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RE: In Memory of Bobby - 6/1/2008 6:05:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slaveboy, if you want to compare education credentials anytime, I'd be glad to oblige. You won't like the comparison though. Btw, see my signature and pay attention if you can.

The fact is that "education" and book learning can only take you so far. One has to learn to use one's head for something better than a hatrack.


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