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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/6/2008 2:16:22 PM

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copious amounts of alcohol should help with that pesky memory thing. I prefer gin.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/6/2008 2:19:40 PM

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Naw, this one is stuck in my head, Oh well,

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/6/2008 2:20:07 PM

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DA, this is what scares me. I think you are a pretty sharp guy, I mean I think yur political views are just whack, but all in all I know you have some powers of reasoning and logic. Sooooo..you either believe this insanity or you just use it to try and discredit the man. Either option is not appealing. Gitmo needs to be shut the fuck down by the way.

Aynne, do your own reasearch on Odinga. Should the president of the United States REALLY be kin to a man responsible for what is called "Kenya's Killing Fields"??? Railia Odinga needs to die... He us exactly the reason the CIA has paramilitary forces, and the US Military has snipers and "black ops" etc... He happens to be Barrack Hussein Obama's cousin. That is a fact. It is also a fact that Odinga is a murderous thug responsible for massacres and unspeakable crimes against humanity. The President of the United States should be directing the assination of people like Odinga not attending family reuninons with them. I mean lets take the race out of it - should we elect Hitlers American cousin? How about some US relative of Slobadon Milosocvich?

You may think my political views are whacked but every American, before November should find out who Odinga is and what his connection to Obama is. Its a legitimate question - Obama's half brother and his cousin want to destabilize Africa and to oust a US friendly regieme in favor of a radical islamic state. Will the President of the US let that happen. Will Barrack Hussein Obama, if necessecary, order an air strike on his own family reuinion?

Thats not whacked, thats fact. Look them up and see for yourself if those are the relatives you want the President to have....

Osama bin laden's cousins and immediate family sort of treat him as an outsider. I think just because someone's related, can't use that solely as the reason. They actually hate the fact that he's tarnishing their name and their religion with his extremist views and life. I know I don't want to be held accountable for what the black sheep of the family or some weird uncle did, while I'm busy doing my own things... Like Bill Clinton (ivy league, law school, oxford, rhodes scholar, president, self-made multi-millionaire) vs. his brother (drunk washup). Maybe they shouldn't have voted for Bill cuz he might get drunked and screw up the country? Then again look at GWB, the one who fucked up the country, and his father.... striking difference, though they look the same.

Maybe the mafia with close family ties, you can jump to conclusions about family connections. I think the opinion of the family towards the member doing such-and-such is important, like Osama Bin Laden's family not liking him..are they sincere? I'd be concerned if they actually liked him.

Hitler's american cousin might draw more eyes to him... how related are they, and how much exposure they had towards him? Did Hitler raise his American cousin? Was the cousin exposed to his extremist environment growing up? whatever to the family thing they can be good or bad, similar or disimilar, but over time you can prove the type of person you are regardless of them. Of course, immediate family or whoever you grew up with plays an important part, but I like to think people can be individuals, and not always operate as a family unit. I believe in the individual. Maybe in other countries and environments, families matter more.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/6/2008 2:26:03 PM

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DA, are you a sucker or a liar?

Odinga is not Senator Obama's cousin. Furthermore Odinga is the Prime Minister of Kenya and is certainly not trying to bring down the Kenyan government that he leads.
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp

The claims about the half brother seems to be about Roy, Obongo, and don't seem to have any substance at all.

But anyway DA are you really arguing against someone based on putative relatives who the man has only met a few times?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/05/16/kenya.displaced/index.html#cnnSTCText

CNN Hardly a slanted conservative source...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3128419.ece

In 1982 Raila Odinga was accused of plotting a coup attempt against the then President Daniel Arap Moi and was sentenced to six years in prison. He has since admitted backing the failed attempt.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/02/kenya.marktran

In the worst incident of post-election violence so far, dozens of Kikuyus - the tribe to which the president, Mwai Kibaki, belongs - were burned alive in a church by members of another tribe, the Kalenjin.
In a strong statement, the government has accused Odinga's party of unleashing "genocide". Odinga will surely reject the charges, but he has the difficult task of containing the anger of his followers who feel that victory was snatched from their grasp.

Seems you are as knowledgeable of African politics as you are of military law... As for the "are you a sucker or a liar" question - I will answer that by stating that I am not the one running around pretending to have been in the Navy but knowing absolutely nothing about it, the UCMJ, not recognizing the difference between Air Force Pilot and Naval Aviator wings, etc... I think someone is what I shall call a "Walter Mitty"...

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/6/2008 2:38:13 PM

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Ok kids, enough with the personal insults. All of the usual suspects have already been warned before, consider this your final warning.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/6/2008 2:41:57 PM

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DA, Once more do you have any evidence besides Odinga's claims that they're related? Senator Obama's close relartives in Kenya deny any relation beyond being from the same region.

Furthermore Arap Moi's government was quite corrupt and opposing it was a quite honorable thing. Post election violence after another corrupt government tried to steal an election is also understandable although nothing you presented indicates Odinga ordered or condoned the violence.

However Odinga is the Prime Minister of Kenya and is definitely not trying to topple the government he now leads. So who precisely doesn't know African politics? Why are you claiming the PM of Kenya is trying to overthrow his government? Is that like all the BS you made up to try and protect GWB until I dropped the whole story on you and you had to resort to claiming it was ok with you for people to wear military insignia and badges they didn't earn?

But once again are you condemning Senator Obama for something you counterfactually claim someone who baselessly asserts to be his relative is doing? And where is your evidence, not more baseless assertions, against Roy?

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 10:37:32 AM

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However Odinga is the Prime Minister of Kenya and is definitely not trying to topple the government he now leads. So who precisely doesn't know African politics? Why are you claiming the PM of Kenya is trying to overthrow his government? Is that like all the BS you made up to try and protect GWB until I dropped the whole story on you and you had to resort to claiming it was ok with you for people to wear military insignia and badges they didn't earn?

Hitler was Chancellor of Germany, and he certainly toppled President Hindenburgs regieme... As for Odinga, his becoming PM over 1,000 dead and countless injured is a pretty nice start to his regieme. All we need now is the night of the long knives.

Im done debating the silly "military insignia" thing with you... The President of the United States was presented a $12 name tag by the Navy. Get over it. I was actually in the Navy and actually earned a set of those wings, I dont have a problem with it. The man is President of the United States. I dont give a shit if he signs a comission for himself, calls up the SECNAV, and orders them to add "1310" to his file. I certainly do not lay awake at night worrying that the commander in chief of all us armed forces, who was in fact once a fighter pilot, wore a flight suit while landing on a carrier. Everyone I ever saw step out of a tactical jet was wearing the exact same thing he was - not once in my whole Navy Career did I see someone flying in a Navy aircraft wearing leotards and a pink tu tu.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 10:52:19 AM

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not once in my whole Navy Career did I see someone flying in a Navy aircraft wearing leotards and a pink tu tu.

So DADT is working....

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 1:19:40 PM

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not once in my whole Navy Career did I see someone flying in a Navy aircraft wearing leotards and a pink tu tu.

So DADT is working....

Exactly. No one knows what they wear under their flight suits.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 2:00:04 PM

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Im done debating the silly "military insignia" thing with you... The President of the United States was presented a $12 name tag by the Navy. Get over it. I was actually in the Navy and actually earned a set of those wings, I dont have a problem with it. The man is President of the United States. I dont give a shit if he signs a comission for himself, calls up the SECNAV, and orders them to add "1310" to his file. I certainly do not lay awake at night worrying that the commander in chief of all us armed forces, who was in fact once a fighter pilot, wore a flight suit while landing on a carrier. Everyone I ever saw step out of a tactical jet was wearing the exact same thing he was - not once in my whole Navy Career did I see someone flying in a Navy aircraft wearing leotards and a pink tu tu.

You can make up all the rationalizations you want but I know and you know you wouldn't tolerate anybody wearing wings they didn't earn. You'll keep trying to say its all ok but in the back of your head you know that you really think the same thing everyone who has ever earned a military badge or decoration thinks. We all know what Admiral Boorda thought of doing it.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 2:01:29 PM

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What are these wings you speak of? Are they the barbecued kind? I think we should be told.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 2:08:59 PM

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I wore a set of wings on my uniform too. I earned my Army Air Crew wings at the age of 18. Not really that hard to do. Our crew chiefs wore flightsuits that were exactly the same as the ones worn by the pilots. Hell, I was authorized to wear one if I bought it. When I left my guard unit to join the navy, I still wore my wings. I did it every time some asshole told me I had to wear this or that. I just had to carry a copy of my paperwork with me showing that I earned them. Most people assumed they were anything but what they were. Most also assumed that I was not entitled to wear them.
I can't say that I care what the pres decorates himself with as long as it isn't a member of my family or any of my body parts.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 2:10:32 PM

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as long as it isn't a member of my family or any of my body parts.

So my suspicions were founded? These ARE chicken wings that have been argued over?!

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 2:15:08 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7qDj1Ub8F8

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 2:17:41 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7qDj1Ub8F8

Great video! I laughed my ass off.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 2:33:41 PM

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I loved the comments below the video:

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Wtf? That's not a Red Bull ad. The pictures are obvious, they were made in Microsoft Paint and then stuck togethor in a movie program. Man!, it's really obvious that that ad wasn't made by Red Bull.

Really?

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 3:04:56 PM

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Anybody notice that when the choice was between a Democratic decorated war hero and a non veteran the right wingers made a big deal about how that experience wasn't relevant and then attacked the man's service record while now that it is a Republican decorated war hero and a non veteran the self same right wingers are putting all their stock in military experience?

Yep, American politics at its finest!

Wait, John McCain was in the Navy too. Did he ever serve on a swift boat?

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 3:22:30 PM

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Nixon was so too a veteran

As were Reagan, George H. Bush, and George W. Bush...

Guess it depends on how you define a veteran:

Ronald Wilson Reagan enrolled in a series of home-study Army Extension Courses on 18 March 1935. After completing 14 of the courses, he enlisted in the Army Enlisted Reserve on 29 April 1937, as a Private assigned to Troop B, 322nd Cavalry at Des Moines, Iowa. He was appointed Second Lieutenant in the Officers Reserve Corps of the Cavalry on 25 May 1937. On June 18 of that year Reagan, who had just moved to Los Angeles to begin his film career, accepted his Officer’s Commission and was assigned to the 323rd Cavalry.

Lieutenant Reagan was ordered to active duty on 19 April 1942. Due to eyesight difficulties, he was classified for limited service only, which excluded him from serving overseas. His first assignment was at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation at Fort Mason, California, as liaison officer of the Port and Transportation Office. Upon the request of the Army Air Forces (AAF), he applied for a transfer from the Cavalry to the AAF on 15 May 1942; the transfer was approved on 9 June 1942. He was assigned to AAF Public Relations and subsequently to the 1st Motion Picture Unit in Culver City, California. Reagan was promoted to First Lieutenant on 14 January 1943 and was sent to the Provisional Task Force Show Unit of This Is The Army at Burbank, California. Following this duty, he returned to the 1st Motion Picture Unit, and on 22 July 1943 was promoted to Captain.

In January 1944, Captain Reagan was ordered to temporary duty in New York City to participate in the opening of the sixth War Loan Drive. He was assigned to the 18th AAF Base Unit, Culver City, California on 14 November 1944, where he remained until the end of the war. He was recommended for promotion to Major on 2 February 1945, but this recommendation was disapproved on July 17 of that year. On 8 September 1945, he was ordered to report to Fort MacArthur, California, where he was separated from active duty on 9 December 1945.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 3:31:46 PM

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You can make up all the rationalizations you want but I know and you know you wouldn't tolerate anybody wearing wings they didn't earn. You'll keep trying to say its all ok but in the back of your head you know that you really think the same thing everyone who has ever earned a military badge or decoration thinks. We all know what Admiral Boorda thought of doing it.

I already told you - I bought a set for my five year old step son, put him in a little flight suit, and even gave him the callsign "Pickles". (Dill "Pickles" ____ , pretty cute if I do say so myself.) Thus, it obviously didnt bother me.

Nor did it bother the blue angels "Boss" who thought it was cute enough to give the kid a real squadron patch and to have him photographed sitting on the cockpit rim of his #1 Blue Angels F/A-18.

Nor did it bother the Blue Angels public affairs officer who obviously thought it was cute enough to put the picture on the team web site for about six months!

and, not only was my step son not a Naval Aviator, he wasnt even the President of the United States who was himself a former fighter pilot!

You place WAY too much on the wings dude, seriously. The name tag in question costs $12. The actual wings themselves were like $4 at the Navy Exchange and in some squadrons we would give them to special women (not hookups) kind of like "being pinned". I bought and gave one to a woman I dated for months when I was stationed in Fallon, NV.

Nobody I know in the Naval Aviation community has raised a single objection the the presidents visit to the carrier or his attire. In fact there was a giant photo spread on it in "The Hook" magazine which is published by the Tailhook Association.

As for the outrage over the wings I refer you to the Tailhook store - where you can buy everything from coffee cups and to womens t-shirts to necklaces and tie tacks emblazoned with naval aviator wings. https://www.tailhook.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc Thats how uptight we are about them. Stop into the ships store, spend a little money - its for a good cause.

Now on a not so good cause - there was a certain squadron - that had PANTIES printed up with the gold wings. We would TRADE THEM to the women we fucked, and would bring their panties back to hang on the wall of our bar and as "proof of a kill" so to speak. ;) Nail five or more women in one weekend, and bring back the panties to prove it, and you became an "ass ace" and drank free that weekend. I dont know if the President got any of those for Laura, Jenna, and Barbara but if he did I dont have an issue with that either. LOL

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/7/2008 3:31:53 PM

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In that case, i politely beg to differ. Mr Bush's experience as a Reservist qualified him as a veteran eligible for benefits. While he may have not faced combat in that regard, by 2004 as POTUS he was responsible for command and control of US forces against an enemy that had attacked within the US. If the primary or secondary goal was to prevent a follow up attack on US soil, i would say he did pretty well, decorations or not, and he did so without getting himself injured in combat (the requirement for the purple heart), although i do recall that he choked on a pretzel one night. Ah well, not everyone's service record is spotless.

Ok, pet rant. Can we please just say President? It won't tire you out typing the extra four letters, trust me. Look at it as a tradeoff. You won't have to hit the shift key to type POTUS.

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