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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 7:18:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		You don't have to vote for or even support someone to know when the other pathological liars running against him are being unruthful in their extreme rhetoric...it's called critical thinking.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 7:25:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Libertarian party is looking better & better as Obama inches closer to the nomination. 

If the parties really wanted to be fair, they would allow all the states to vote at the same time for their candidates.  The voter count from those that vote for those who drop out of the race, really represent voters that ultimately don't get a vote on either of these two. Totally, undemocratic, in my opinion.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 7:30:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Critical thinking? Listening to Obama talk like a preacher is not critical thinking. His speeches are amazing due to the fact he can go on for an hour talking about absolutely nothing and the people cheer likes he's the messiah. Makes me sad to think these people are actually voters.
Critical thinking and being an informed voter means doing your own research. And the more research I do on Obama the less I like him.

Everyone wants to vote Obama because they want CHANGE. Yet you ask one voter what CHANGE means and they have no idea. They just want CHANGE. For some reason people fail to realize that you could end up with someone much, much worse than George W. Bush. With McCain we will get more of the same. But with Obama, I think he will be worse than Jimmy Carter. Presidents who refuse to take a tough stance against Americans enemies were either soundly defeated or were assassinated. They are very, very weak presidents (Carter, Nixon, JFK). Presidents who are strong and win wars and take a tough stance become great presidents (Lincoln, FDR, Reagan). Obama is going to be weak. He will be an appeaser. And he will be the next Jimmy Carter. And under his administration, we will have at least one new nuclear power in the mid-east to cause more problems.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 7:33:44 PM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		Except that so far you have primarily regurgitated every obviously false bit of agit prop you can... that isn't research, that is blind faith.

By the time you get around to making a point, like the Carter one, very few people except the faithful are paying attention, because you have cried 'Wolf!!! too many times.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 7:50:58 PM   
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Does A/anyone think Clinton will litigate the DNC's decision, giving the delegates half votes, to regain a chance at the nomination?

Okay. If Hillary and Obama each got a half vote for each delegate pledged to them and then Hillary litigates and wins and Hillary and Obama each get a whole vote for each delegate pledged to them... how is she mathematically any better off? Seating the delegates closed the margin but half or whole doesn't really make a difference.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 7:55:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Highly unlikely that Hillary has any chance or any intention of getting the courts to order the party to apportion votes a certain way... I suspect the plan is to drum up resentment against her 'scary' opponent for 'robbing her', and stage a 'comeback' on the convention floor...with Fleetwood Mac just coincidentally waiting in the wings ready to resume playing 'Don't Stop'....

Not that anyone would ever fall for that one...

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 7:58:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't it amazing how some white people, especially white men, are terrified of Obama?

Just between us, though, I saw John Stewart directly ask Obama if he intended to enslave the white race if elected, and Obama emaphatically answered "no."

But as you see here, it will be quite a task for Obama to garner the shithead vote.

Non Sequitor: Austan Goolsbee, the economist who is the senior economic adviser to Obama, is likened by the New York Review of books to be something akin to a paternal libertarian. Its an economic theory based on influencing the behavior of people in a certain direction without issuing requirements and bans on individual choices. For example, regarding the mortgage crisis, the proper way to regulate such a thing is to require lenders offer greater disclosure about their loans and to inform borrowers with better information about financial management. With a little help and a nudge, economic outcomes can be improved by better economic decision-making in the market.



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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 8:00:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know one thing.  If these two don't come to an "understanding" (Obama and Hilary), the dnc will be a cat fight.  I am already worn out from watching the circus that appears to be evolving right before us.
This is history in the making.
 
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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 8:02:16 PM   
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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 8:08:37 PM   
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I know one thing.  If these two don't come to an "understanding" (Obama and Hilary), the dnc will be a cat fight.  I am already worn out from watching the circus that appears to be evolving right before us.
This is history in the making.
 
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No, this was history in the making...

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/programs/pauleyg/voices/fhamer.htm


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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 8:15:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cyberdude - relax Obama has zero chance of becoming president. Seriously, its a gimme to mccain... Obama has less chance of winning the general election than mickey mouse as a write in candidate. Various polls have him down by 300+ electoral votes. Add in all the redneck racists in the democratic party, the southerners who would  never elect a black man, the angry hillary supporters who feel disenfranchised, the republicans and those too smart to fall for Obamas "we need (mystery) change" rhetoric and he has not got a prayer of being elected.   

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 8:16:24 PM   
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Critical thinking? Listening to Obama talk like a preacher is not critical thinking. His speeches are amazing due to the fact he can go on for an hour talking about absolutely nothing and the people cheer likes he's the messiah.

compared to Bush, he is the messiah.

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Critical thinking and being an informed voter means doing your own research. And the more research I do on Obama the less I like him.

Example please!

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Everyone wants to vote Obama because they want CHANGE. Yet you ask one voter what CHANGE means and they have no idea. They just want CHANGE. For some reason people fail to realize that you could end up with someone much, much worse than George W. Bush.


My cards are betting that Obama probably on the better-than-Bush side of the spectrum.  And does that person exist???  Being worse than Bush???  That's like the Devil himself.  Oh wait, Bush is still worse, he doesn't have superhuman powers and can't stay sober while committing the most hideous crimes the world has ever seen.

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With McCain we will get more of the same. But with Obama, I think he will be worse than Jimmy Carter. 

Obama takes tough stands.  That's just the same tactic rehashed from 2004.  Trying to make the democratic presidential nominee look like a wimp.  First, Obama has trashed Mccain throughout this election so far no matter what political game he tries to throw at him.  I think Obama is tough because he rigidly sticks to his principles.  If Obama were Louis Farrakan, then Chicago would be in trouble now... Fear mongering, fear mongering..  He's been so open and objective, and precise about everything.  If anything, he'll be a very tough principled leader who'll get us out of the mess called Iraq.  The world will once again respect the U.S. for doing what's right and trashing the Republicans.  A world that doesn't hate the U.S. is a much safer world to live in.

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Presidents who refuse to take a tough stance against Americans enemies were either soundly defeated or were assassinated. They are very, very weak presidents (Carter, Nixon, JFK).

JFK was a weak president?  LMAO   how bout the Cuban Missle Crisis??
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Presidents who are strong and win wars and take a tough stance become great presidents (Lincoln, FDR, Reagan).


Let's see Bush is a LOSER he lost the Iraq war...ehrm  maybe because he's STUPID and CAN'T MANAGE THINGS?   Reagan, managed to stop the cold war by being smart...using sound judgement actually having negotiating skills (have you ever seen Not a gung ho, gun-totting, jingoist...like *ehrm* Bush.   Bush talk sensibly with another world leader?   He's just covering up his lack of intellect and negotiating skills by saying, "oh, i don't need to negotiate, that's weak."  Negotiation is part of being a world leader....talking sensibly to other world leaders you may not disagree with.  Not wrecklessly and thoughtlessly spending trillions blowing up everything you see in sight, and pissing the rest of the world off.

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Obama is going to be weak. He will be an appeaser. And he will be the next Jimmy Carter. And under his administration, we will have at least one new nuclear power in the mid-east to cause more problems.

Obama has been very strong against John Mccain (the supposedly strong one) this election.  As far as nuclear weapons.... none in Iraq.  And weakening Iraq, gives Iran a much greater advantage in the balance of power... and an edge in developing nuclear weapons.  Bush needs to think before he acts.  He's an idiot.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 8:23:06 PM   
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Cyberdude - relax Obama has zero chance of becoming president. Seriously, its a gimme to mccain... Obama has less chance of winning the general election than mickey mouse as a write in candidate. Various polls have him down by 300+ electoral votes. Add in all the redneck racists in the democratic party, the southerners who would  never elect a black man, the angry hillary supporters who feel disenfranchised, the republicans and those too smart to fall for Obamas "we need (mystery) change" rhetoric and he has not got a prayer of being elected.   


Obama's a shoe in.  America's better than Bush, not a bunch of idiots to be manipulated by random polls and republican games.  I think people of typically wouldn't vote for Obama here him speak, and he strikes to the cord of the American people.  He knows what they want, is ready to give it to them, and the American people can sense that.  Look at IOWA.  Hillary was supposed to be a shoe-in for the nomination early in the primaries.  But people got to know Obama, and see what he's about.  Games come and go.  But a great man, with a great capacity, a great track record, and a great American vision doesn't.  Can you say the next Ab Lincoln?

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 8:24:28 PM   
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JFK was a weak president?  LMAO   how bout the Cuban Missle Crisis??


The cuban missle crisis is the stupidest most retarded thing an American president has ever done.... So there were soviet ICBM's based in Cuba - BIG FUCKING DEAL. Certainly nothing worth taking us to the brink of war over. There were soviet SLBM's (Submarine Launched Ballistic Missles) a hell of a lot closer than Cuba! A SLBM can be three miles away from any major American coastal city  and we would never know it. Kennedy created a "crisis" that didnt have to exist because those ICBM's in Cuba were less dangerous to us than the SLBM's. In fact, thanks to Kennedy's fiasco the soviets went to more Boomers resulting in us playing a deadly game of cat and mouse for generations... Not to mention that thanks to Kennedys stupid policies and blockade of cuba I cant even get a decent cigar or a top notch vacation without going by way of Canada LOL. Cuba is a GREAT tourist destination that we miss out on because of his stupid blockade / embargo...

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 8:41:14 PM   
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JFK was a weak president?  LMAO   how bout the Cuban Missle Crisis??


The cuban missle crisis is the stupidest most retarded thing an American president has ever done.... So there were soviet ICBM's based in Cuba - BIG FUCKING DEAL. Certainly nothing worth taking us to the brink of war over. There were soviet SLBM's (Submarine Launched Ballistic Missles) a hell of a lot closer than Cuba! A SLBM can be three miles away from any major American coastal city  and we would never know it. Kennedy created a "crisis" that didnt have to exist because those ICBM's in Cuba were less dangerous to us than the SLBM's. In fact, thanks to Kennedy's fiasco the soviets went to more Boomers resulting in us playing a deadly game of cat and mouse for generations... Not to mention that thanks to Kennedys stupid policies and blockade of cuba I cant even get a decent cigar or a top notch vacation without going by way of Canada LOL. Cuba is a GREAT tourist destination that we miss out on because of his stupid blockade / embargo...


JFK definitely never should've been President so you can smoke your stogie.    
This narrow-minded, selfish vision is what got us into the Iraq mess we're in, in the first place.  If the only thing you're concerned with is a new vacation spot... then let me just say OMG.. lol

If JFK never took that tough stance, another crisis would've been imminent in the future.  The Soviets were toying with the U.S. and pushing us like a kid testing the boundaries of his parents discipline.  The Soviets were testing us, and JFK called their bluff.  For JFK to have taken such a strong stance, shows courage, greatness, and inner-toughness.  Few mean could see this, act on it, and survive all the criticism.  Bush was a wanna-be and never lived up to JFK in any way, shape or form.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 8:44:09 PM   
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Presidents who refuse to take a tough stance against Americans enemies were either soundly defeated or were assassinated. They are very, very weak presidents (Carter, Nixon, JFK).

JFK was a weak president?  LMAO   how bout the Cuban Missle Crisis??


JFK was a joke. And there is two reasons why:
1. Bay of Pigs
2. Cuban Missile Crisis.

In both cases, America lost. Castro stayed in power.
The Bay of Pigs failed because Kennedy changed the plans and then blammed the loss on the CIA. Many think this is what really angered the government and why he was ultimately assassinated.

The Communists around the world celebrated it as a victory. They were emboldened. And Khrushchev got everything he wanted....including the Berlin wall which was a total disregard to international treaties and international law. JFK stood silent and let them build it.

I applaud what JFK did with the space program. But he was a weak president and did more harm than good. Just ask the Cubans in Florida. They all HATE the Democratic party today because of JFK. Cubans all vote Republican in every election.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 8:58:21 PM   
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Presidents who refuse to take a tough stance against Americans enemies were either soundly defeated or were assassinated. They are very, very weak presidents (Carter, Nixon, JFK).

JFK was a weak president?  LMAO   how bout the Cuban Missle Crisis??


JFK was a joke. And there is two reasons why:
1. Bay of Pigs
2. Cuban Missile Crisis.

In both cases, America lost. Castro stayed in power.
The Bay of Pigs failed because Kennedy changed the plans and then blammed the loss on the CIA. Many think this is what really angered the government and why he was ultimately assassinated.

The Communists around the world celebrated it as a victory. They were emboldened. And Khrushchev got everything he wanted....including the Berlin wall which was a total disregard to international treaties and international law. JFK stood silent and let them build it.

I applaud what JFK did with the space program. But he was a weak president and did more harm than good. Just ask the Cubans in Florida. They all HATE the Democratic party today because of JFK. Cubans all vote Republican in every election.


JFK is a great leader who stood up to the communists and made our country strong and proud with the space program.  To link past failures of leaders with national parties.... let's see who lost the Vietnam War and stubbornly refused to bail out?  That hurt our country for years and years and years beyond....   Who launched and is really screwing up the Iraq War, and has plunged us in a multi TRILLION dollar debt? (sure to hurt the U.S. for years and years and years to come). 

Bottom line, the Republican party does not care for this country.  They would rather blow up other countries than look back into the country and uplift the entire nation like a great natural leader does.  They get their kicks by blowing up other countries.  It's what they do.  Now some sensible republicans, like Schwarzenneger and Reagan, actually truely care about the well being of this country and have the patience, and charisma to pull it together.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 9:05:28 PM   
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Damn, McCain assiduously courted prominent members of the Religious Right, some of whom are not too tightly wrapped (Hagee in particular).  He didn't reject the endorsements until the YouTube videos were posted - and they haven't had the airplay that the Wright videos had.  If you don't give a damn for what comes out of Obama's mouth, why do you keep starting threads about him?  If all politicians lie, let's hear about McCain, or Ron Paul for that matter.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 9:19:55 PM   
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Trinity is a racist? What precisely does that make Jerry Falwell and his Thomas Road Baptist Church? He supported Maddox, Wallace and the Apartheid regime in South Africa (including famously urging his followers to buy Krugerands to support that regime. That would also be the same Jerry Falwell who was a major advisor and supporter of Reagan and GWB. So I guess by these standards Reagan was a racist and GWB is a racist. Good to know.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/1/2008 9:24:58 PM   
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Obama was PART of Wright's church for 20 years....

There is a difference.

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