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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:01:45 AM   
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Nope

I have in the past tried to hide something, but it didn't work out. Now I find it is better to just be honest.

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:06:13 AM   
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I think this is a great question to have asked, and all you people who sat in judgement should consider if you really are qualified to be casting stones.

Yes, of COURSE in a loving marriage all things are able to be communicated and worked to a mutual conclusion.  Unfortunately this is not always possible for a multitude of reasons that if you got off your high horses you would recognise.

Discovering kink for the first time is a very powerful event in anyones life, and it can be very difficult to try to reconcile that a vanilla world someone spent most of their life creating. 

Ok, rant over.  I get really short with judgemental people.

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She asked a question and people answered it. To bad you didn't like the answers, but that's life.

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:13:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: figment

I think this is a great question to have asked,
f



What makes it a great question?   Since when does cheating/ lying on anything ever work out??? 

Mystified at some of the views on here.

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Does this mean that someday he will realize it is alright to lie and cheat or does this mean someday, after someone screws him over by lying and cheating, he will be able to say it is wrong from experience? Just what is going to enlighten him?

Just when is it ok to lie and cheat?

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:16:45 AM   
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It seems it is OK to lie and cheat once you are elected into Congress 

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:21:44 AM   
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It seems it is OK to lie and cheat once you are elected into Congress 


While it certainly happens all the time, that does not make it ok.

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:23:14 AM   
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Hello Wyndrose,

Sex, lies and videotape… Lies fill our daily lives; we choose to label them with acceptable titles, little white lies, suggestive truths or necessary evils. It has been alluded to by a few posters here that you are perhaps already lying to yourself. We do get better at things with practice.

I wonder if you are really happily married or if you are just safely content. A safe relationship often appears to be, in the eyes of the needy to be a lot like love. Perhaps you are simply bored and having an internal crisis. Why in the world would you ever need to stray in a secret manner if you were “Happily Married”?

Try this…I think your husband is a useless woman hating asshole that has no idea how to handle or curb the animal lust that rages through every woman. I suggest you dump this useless turd and move out into the real world and find a man that can manage you and expose the slut that you are. Now if this didn’t make you want to hate me and in turn make you want to defend you husband to the death, well you know the rest.

Maybe it would be best to discover why it is you are telling the lies you are already living up too. Then if you can answer them to a satisfactory standard you should move on to whatever is next.

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:31:19 AM   
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It seems it is OK to lie and cheat once you are elected into Congress 



No....this is not ok. But due to an excess in societal appathy and a condition of "We are Simply Stupid Sheep in Denial Syndrome" Congress has become an excellent place for the real criminals to gather and run their scams. We are a Nation of Homer Simpsons.

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:38:09 AM   
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Hiding it will be very hard, I tried but couldnt. When I finally told my partner he understood and we now have an arangement. Maybe telling him what it means to you could help, if it is as much of an important thing in your life as it is for me im sure you will have to do something about it, its an itch you wont be able to go without scratching xxx

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:40:46 AM   
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My story is similar to the OP's. the difference is I found the right time to broach the subject with my husband. I was surprised to get the okay from him. We set some rules and I follow them. I love my husband and in a different way,  I love my Dominant. It is all about balance and compromise. I do think honesty is the best policy in this situation. I've learned one person cannot be everything to another person- it only took me 50 years to figure that one out ...

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:42:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wyndrose
If it came down to it, I would stay with my husband and not pursue this path, however, I would like to have both.


If you walk down the road of cheating... you won't have that choise... it WILL eventualy out and blow up in your face. As for the so-called-dom in this situation.... assuming you haven't lied to Him about your situation... if he is willing to help you cheat and lie to your husband, neither of you can be trusted.... and trust is a big part of what We do!


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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:45:06 AM   
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My story is similar to the OP's. the difference is I found the right time to broach the subject with my husband. I was surprised to get the okay from him. We set some rules and I follow them. I love my husband and in a different way,  I love my Dominant. It is all about balance and compromise. I do think honesty is the best policy in this situation. I've learned one person cannot be everything to another person- it only took me 50 years to figure that one out ...


Well done and cudos, it isn't an easy thing to tackle... glad to see it worked for you and good luck on it continuing to do so. Anything is possible so long as folks are HONEST with each other


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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 5:50:11 AM   
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I can't seem to do things without him knowing.  I am way to open sometimes with what I feel, think, or do.  I was this way in past relationships where I could have cheated and no one would have ever known.  The last thing I would ever do is hurt him, so it seems natural for me not to ever allow that situation to happen.  I can control my mouth, but I can't control the person I am with as to what they would say.  I have been the "other woman" before a few times, it's amazing to think how easy it would have been to blow their entire lives up.  I don't think that people realize sometimes the power they are giving to someone else when they cheat with them.  I had not only their marriage, but their kids, their jobs...everything, right in the palm of my hand.  Maybe that will make someone think about what they are doing first.  Is it worth it?

My hubby knows full well about pup, and he doesn't object at all.  I have made the decision to always put the marriage first, I think as long as I do that things will work out for the best.



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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 6:03:37 AM   
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You know, call it the cynic in me, but I do not really think you give a hoot what advice you get from the people here, unless it supports the decision I very much suspect you have already made for yourself.  People not go to an anonymous online discussion forum to seek permission to do what they know is wrong, but want anyway unless, they have already found the means of rationalizing that wrong within themselves already.

I also suspect that you (and many others) turn to a Dom or sub instead of the 'regular' sexual indiscretion choices because you feel that it allows you to say that it is a need that you have that your spouse simply cannot and will not be able to fulfill, thus giving you some sort of moral high ground (in your own mind) about why it is ok for you to do it.  Being in a 'deviant' relationship, as you so charmingly put it, does not excuse you the person from all ethical and moral responsibilities and sensibilities.

What you proposed is not ethically or morally right.  You are cheating, whether with a Dom or your husbands best friend...it is all the same.  That you thought more to talk to a bunch of strangers than to the person you pledged to love honor and cherish 'til death do you part says an awful lot about you and your so called 'needs'.  Face it.. you do not NEED it, you admitted as much in your post.  You want it...and the it you want is not an adult, consensual BDSM relationship...it is just some cheap fucking (and maybe some spanking and hair pulling to spice it up for ya and maybe a dose of  good old fashioned chemistry) with someone besides your husband.

You already know it's wrong, or you wouldn't be hiding it. But for the hell of it, let's look at it this way:

How would you feel if you peered into your husbands head and he was thinking something along these lines..."I really think that the 20 year old fitness model/trainer at the gym and I are on the verge of having and amazingly special relationship together.  Don't get me wrong, I love my old wife and all the things she does for me (cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids, making sure life is good..out side of the bedroom) and I sure do not want to fuck up all those good, easy things I get from her every day, I just think I am entitled to have a really intense, hot and sexual relationship with this other woman, because lets face it, my wife CANNOT provide me with what she can, I mean, she will never have that body and be able to do with it what this girl can, nor can she provide that thrill of the new and the zing and excitement of the beginning of a relationship... (and god, the thought of being honest with her, and all the drama that might stir up in the beginning, and all the work it might force me to put into our relationship...yuck!), and god damn it, don't I deserve that?...even if I am in a 'committed relationship'....everyone can lie and cheat and steal (hell some would even say steal, right.. I mean, stealing time, energy and  the commitment to our relationship to give it to another is a kind of stealing, isn't it?) from the person I committed to spiritually and legally to be my closest partner in life can not be wrong....Yeah, I am gonna get me some young, flexible, hot tail...what she doesn't know can't hurt her....well not right now anyway."

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 6:08:06 AM   
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You realize, puella, that figment will now judge you as being too judgemental.

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 6:15:15 AM   
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We all make judgments, but never more clearly than when specifically asked to by a petitioner on an online forum.

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 6:16:49 AM   
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Summersprite. How can you be happily married and have an affair?

you can't.


I know people who have affairs and are happily married.  Of course, one of the spouses doesn't know about the affair.  Or pretends not to know. 

Imagine having your cake and eating it too.  It's not ethically for everyone, but I know people who justify that sort of existence.  You need to weigh the benefits and risks, just as you would any major life decision. 

There may be better ways to achieve what you want.


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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 6:23:05 AM   
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We all make judgments,

Yeah, I've never understood that "Don't judge others" thing.  Does that mean I should treat everyone the same?  Should I sleep with everyone who propositions me?  Give money to everyone who asks?  Well no, that would be dumb -- but if someone wants to cheat and lie, that's somehow different.


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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 6:27:15 AM   
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Everyone who makes decisions makes judgements.  It is not a bad thing.

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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 6:52:09 AM   
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Summersprite. How can you be happily married and have an affair?  


you can't.


In some European strata it's as easy as having painted toenails. The 'affair' is misnomered as the Mistress.


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RE: Hiding it from your spouse? - 6/10/2008 6:55:26 AM   
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It is a question of integrity. If I promise someone to be exlcusive with them, and I say I have their best interest at heart, then I do not lie to them or sneak around, no matter what kind of clever excuse I might be able to make for doing so. But if I was OK with being a lying sneaky person, then I would have no problem pretending that BDSM was a reasonable reason to cheat, lie, sneak, betray or whatever. Lying sneakey betrayers are bound to bend reason to their evil purpose, and so whatever answer is given, it will be rejected if it is not useful as permission, or it will be accepted if it grants permission. The person who asks such a question already knows they are a lying sneaky cheater. Nobody with integrity would wonder about this. They would know it beyond any hint of question. It's only when someone's character lacks integrity that they shop around for loopholes to the vows they made and their responsibility to the well-being of their partner. Not that I care either way. I'm just saying,

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