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Smith117 -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 3:22:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator Uh Im sure this will be unpopular but it is true, The US Military desegregated under TRUMAN not Roosevelt. The reason for the abscense of the black charectors is because they werent there!!! There WERE no black men in those units. There have already been movies made about the Tuskegee Airmen and the Buffalo Soldiers and Carl Brashear and the Chicago 50 etc... Eastwood isnt being racist, he is being historically accurate. Except in the black units, which had white officers, the blacks were cooks and stewards and ammunition loaders at the time those movies were set. Now now....don't go throwing historical accuracy at mr. shelton.....he doesn't bow to such logic.

JohnWarren -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 3:28:45 PM)
It's a sad fact of historical life that there were few Black combat soldiers in WWII. It was not their fault; they volunteered in droves, but were generally assigned to labour and transportation units. Even then they did wonderful and heroic work. One just needs to look at the Black contribution to the Alcan Highway. I'm sad to report that the Marines, my own Corps, was the most racist of the services. However, the point is that there were not a significant number of Black troops in the invasion. It would be just as silly to suggest that Black actors be used to protray the Japanese. Also I think the record speaks for itself. Spike Lee is clearly very racist. Had someone done a film that justified destroying a Black person's business in revenge for something that person was completely innocent of, he would never work in Hollywood again.

windchymes -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 3:38:29 PM)
If Spike is expecting "token" black actors in a movie that, to be historically accurate, is based around an event where there were no blacks present, that sets the civil rights movement back a few decades, too.

Smith117 -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 3:44:54 PM)
Shelton is the same nutball who tried to sue the Spike TV network because he said they "used his name" when it's NOT EVEN HIS NAME. His name, is Shelton Jackson Lee......spike ain't nowhere in there.

Moloch -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 3:49:26 PM)
quote: emains. Can a white actor play the part of Othello? If the answer is 'yes', it follows that it would be a sign of positive evolution if actors were considered for their acting skills before their skin colour. quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Still the question remains. Can a white actor play the part of Othello? If the answer is 'yes', it follows that it would be a sign of positive evolution if actors were considered for their acting skills before their skin colour. and Ron Jeremy can play queen Elizabeth wahts your point? Its a historic movie, you might as wall have NAZIS ride dinasaurs!

slaveboyforyou -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:08:32 PM)
quote: Ummm "Do the Right Thing", "Jungle Fever", "Malcolm X" and many more really relevant social films All these movies suck, and I wouldn't call them socially relevent to anyone except Spike. Malcolm X was so full of historical inaccuracies and blatant lies that I couldn't take it seriously. If someone is going to make movies about historical events and not make it accurate, then they should at least make them entertaining. Oliver Stone's films are absolute bullshit, but they are at least entertaining. Braveheart was so historically inaccurate that I wondered if was supposed to be set in an alternate universe, but it was entertaining and well put together. Spike doesn't do any of that. All of his movies are yawnfests.

DomAviator -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:16:40 PM)
Im waiting for the gangsta rap / remix of the Marine Corps hymn ...

Moloch -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:18:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator Im waiting for the gangsta rap / remix of the Marine Corps hymn ... There ya go... http://youtube.com/watch?v=D1_TMXIvTW8

ResIpsaLoquitur -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:26:29 PM)
Comin' straight atcha right outs Tripoli, Tha few (THA WHAT?) tha proud (THA WHAT) tha who? Tha Marines! Best sharpen ya blades ya'll 'n come ta attention, Cuz at tha halls-a-Montezuma, tha phat booties be shakin'

Moloch -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:29:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResIpsaLoquitur Comin' straight atcha right outs Tripoli, Tha few (THA WHAT?) tha proud (THA WHAT) tha who? Tha Marines! Best sharpen ya blades ya'll 'n come ta attention, Cuz at tha halls-a-Montezuma, tha phat booties be shakin' LMAO! u owe me a new keyboard!

Level -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:33:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer If one is going for a certain level of historic accuracy then no a white actor should not be cast as Othello. If however historric accuracy is not a primary purpose of the production then race should become a non issue. Clint has been known to be very interested in some level of historic accuracy. Because this film was specificly written to be an accurate dipiction, the race of the soldiers is a legitimate qualification. Agreed.

Alumbrado -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:34:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator Uh Im sure this will be unpopular but it is true, The US Military desegregated under TRUMAN not Roosevelt. The reason for the abscense of the black charectors is because they werent there!!! There WERE no black men in those units. There have already been movies made about the Tuskegee Airmen and the Buffalo Soldiers and Carl Brashear and the Chicago 50 etc... Eastwood isnt being racist, he is being historically accurate. Except in the black units, which had white officers, the blacks were cooks and stewards and ammunition loaders at the time those movies were set. Spike is either desperate for attention, or is being truculent, because as far as I can tell, there were black support troops portrayed briefly in the scenes of the movie. If he wanted Mario Van Peebles to star, his beef should have been with the War Department for not desgregating under Grant...

lronitulstahp -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:48:57 PM)
Well...here's the thing: [;)] If no black units were on hand at the flag raising at Iwo Jima, no need to throw some in there. If anything, it shows the contrast between the military today, and then, and silently speaks volumes...makes people question, and in the process learn a bit of history. But at times, historical inaccuracy in movies, t.v. shows etc. that pretend blacks didn't exist in the old West, or movies about ancient Rome with no blacks, or ancient Egypt with a bunch of blond people running around...pretty misleading. I find it funny, but some people don't KNOW that they are being mislead...whether purposefully, or due to a lack of factual knowledge. i have to say, i've always seen Clint get it pretty much right... i would take offense at someone saying "shut your mouth", via the media, but i also wouldn't retaliate with "old man" comments...i pretty much call a mistaken asshole a mistaken asshole, and leave it at that.

Aynne -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:52:21 PM)
DA, Spike Lee is an Oscar winning graduate of Morehouse College as well as having a Master's in Fine Arts from NYU. Granted, not everyone "gets" Spike Lee's relevant social films and prefer things like ohhhh "Men in Black" or other mass produced hollywood brain candy, but he is an avant garde activist filmmaker and artist. He is not a gangster rapper. Hey I like Clint too, why does it have to be one versus the other? There is certainly enough talent and reputation there to go around. quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator Im waiting for the gangsta rap / remix of the Marine Corps hymn ...

Level -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:55:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp But at times, historical inaccuracy in movies, t.v. shows etc. that pretend blacks didn't exist in the old West, or movies about ancient Rome with no blacks, I believe Blazing Saddles broke the color barrier [8D] quote: or ancient Egypt with a bunch of blond people running around...pretty misleading. I find it funny, but some people don't KNOW that they are being mislead...whether purposefully, or due to a lack of factual knowledge. Wha....... Jesus didn't look like Brad Pitt??

celticlord2112 -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:56:21 PM)
quote: Hey I like Clint too, why does it have to be one versus the other? It doesn't. Although, it seems to me that Spike has other ideas. There is a difference between fair criticism and self-serving sniping. Spike's comments were of the latter category.

slaveluci -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 4:57:35 PM)
~FR~ Thank you all for your wonderful, thought-provoking replies[:)]. I have a lot of respect for Clint Eastwood as an actor, director and human being. To dismiss him as an "angry old man" is beyond rude. Give him his props, Spike. What if he had dismissed Lee as simply an "angry black man." Seems alot more of his "anger" has shown through than Clint's ever has. He was defending the historical accuracy of his pictures and I applaud him for not throwing in black characters just to appear balanced if it's not historically accurate. Not including them does not make him a racist in any sense. Demanding they be in there whether it's accurate or not is a bit asanine, indeed. Spike has tended to exhibit alot more anger and racist attitude throughout his career than Eastwood ever has. I think he picked the wrong guy to mouth off about indeed. Take it from an "angry old man"[8\|] and pipe down, "punk.".....................luci

slvemike4u -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 5:45:01 PM)
Just to add a completely irrelevant point here,but it would have made my day if Clint had told ol spike there to "shut his face"before he went and riled up Reggie Miller....hey I'm originally from NY you know

Smith117 -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 5:51:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne DA, Spike Lee is an Oscar winning graduate of Morehouse College as well as having a Master's in Fine Arts from NYU. Granted, not everyone "gets" Spike Lee's relevant social films and prefer things like ohhhh "Men in Black" or other mass produced hollywood brain candy, but he is an avant garde activist filmmaker and artist. He is not a gangster rapper. Hey I like Clint too, why does it have to be one versus the other? There is certainly enough talent and reputation there to go around. "Shelton" is a loud-mouth blowhard whose movies suck horribly and only serve to promote the same kind of racial tension he's supposed to be 'against.' And his name isn't spike, it's shelton. He can't even be historically accurate with his own name, much less his movies.

Smith117 -> RE: "Shut yer face, Spike!" (6/10/2008 5:53:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci What if he had dismissed Lee as simply an "angry black man." That answer's easy....Clint would have instantly been laballed a racist and made to take 'sensitivity training.'

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