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RE: Self Improvement - 6/14/2008 10:54:32 PM   
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In terms of the op the only one I can think of really is fountainhead but I havent seen the film I read the book though I hear the film is meant to be similar, gary cooper I believe, also I would suggest that many 1930's/40's films tend to show a similar idea of 'taming' women.


Now that's a nifty idea.  Some good old film noir.  I'll check fountainhead out on Google right now.

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Nah you understand far better but surrounding yourself with likeminded people who sit around slapping each others backs, actually this reminds me of a quote "if you arent smart surround yourself with smart people and if you are smart surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you" something I agree with the beauty is no opinion is more worthwhile than any other its just a case of agreeing or not.


They can be smart as hell, and disagree in ways that bring tears to your eyes and a song to your lips, but dammit if they're not talking movie titles they're a waste of space here.  Start a 'DMF sucks' topic instead, keep the conversation elsewhere. 

Heck, if I didn't strongly suspect it violates the TOS I'd start it for those guys myself.

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/14/2008 11:42:31 PM   
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I do JUST FINE thank you.  I want to be better.  Do not be a FRACKING MORON about this.


*Eyeroll*

We are telling you how to be better. Besides, wouldn't you think it'd be better to observe people in real life, than a character with a script? I understand the whole movie thing... (And agree with CD about the Leonidas character from 300) but I don't see it being helpful in the long run. Personally, I know a man who has a freaking inhuman ability to get into the head of the females he plays with... and he plays with a lot of girls. So much for the tops who come on here and cry about being ignored, this guy turns down submissives 4-5times a month. The ones he does play with, come back for more every time. THAT'S someone I'd take notes from. (and have)

Also... again with the all porn is horribly fake. End of story.

And do feel free to explain the sheep comment. The moron comment as well if you are feeling particularly up to it. As far as drama, you didn't get sucked into it, you created it with a particularly nice high school flair to the whole thing.



I'm curious why you don't think the Leonidas character won't teach you anything. Let's break his qualities down by category.

He is,
A. Intelligent.
B. Loyal.
C. Strong both physically and mentally.
D. Honorable.
E. Stoic.
F. Humorous.
G. Attractive.
H. Well groomed

I'm sure there are others, but cannot think of any right at this moment.

Granted. The movie in question was Hollywood's rendition of what went on in historical Greece.. yet it was worth watching for that reason IMO and for its artistic license. Are these characteristics that you would look for in a man? Are these characteristics that a submissive will look for in a well balanced Dominant? Again.. I see lots of small things in that movie that fits the OP's bill when it comes to wanting a "story" that shows an interaction between Dominant men and the people/women that follow him. I think the "porn" comment threw everyone off and that may be a reason why some showed a "mob mentality" and went and tried to drag the OP down.

CD


Responding to the whole thread here:

:: 300

300...rocks.  I was skeptical back when I first saw the trailers, but the movie was astonishingly beautiful.  It's in my top 5 for best movies of the 21st.  Leonidas is a good role model, not for his ability to attract women IMO, but his ability to lead men and not castrate them in the process.  Of course, a good warrior culture helps with that one; think that's just hollywood, then you've never been military. 

:: Why movies? Real life is so much better!

I already covered this one, but let's try again.

A training video on how to put out a fire is nothing, NOTHING, like putting out a real fire.  I've done both.  But after watching the video, I see different fire hazards much more easily, I am better able to maintain equipment and I have a 'bird's eye' perspective that I would not if the only way I learned about fire fighting was by being in the middle of one.

I watched the SexAndSubmission videos (not all, but a few of them) and was intrigued by the concept but disappointed in the execution.  I want to know if there are video examples of men seducing women into submission, the more focused on mental domination the better.  Why?  Do I really need the help?  Probably not.  Choke on that.  But it'd be cool to watch, and I may learn something.

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/14/2008 11:50:05 PM   
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Some other points:

:: Same things work on male subs as on female subs ::

Male/female psychology is not the same.  Male SUBMISSIVES are not female submissives.  Different hormones.  Different contexts.  Different needs, problems, and companions.  Different treatment even from the same people who grow up with them.  Not less, not more, but different.  Yes, I can learn tricks from a domme,  but not the tricks I want to learn right now.  I want to see a hairy bastard like me take a sub-inclined girl and make her beg, and I want to see it done RIGHT; with notepad in hand.  Dommes, you have plenty to offer.  But NOT NOW.  Go. Away. Please.  There's a different forum for you.  It's all shared, and normally cross-pollinated, and there's nothing wrong with that.  But, once in a while, I refuse to feel ashamed for asking the opinions specifically of other 'Masters' in an ASK A MASTER FORUM!!!!!

Rant complete.  Next contestant:

:: Iron Bear ::

I'm calling you out specifically because I would very much like to respect you.  The others I expect it from, I've seen 'em jump on similar requests too often to care anymore;  but I'd like to ask you to reconsider your stance on what I wrote and why I wrote it. 

If I'm wrong, please explain why I shouldn't ask other Masters for opinions, and rule out Dommes.  Or don't, whatever's clever.  Logic that won't work:
'They are women, they know how women think...' Maybe.  But I don't want that here, I want a man's perspective, possibly because men DON'T have firsthand experience being a woman and have to learn handling the same way I do. 
'It's disrespectful...' No... it's not.  I won't even argue with that, it's that bad of a non sequitur.
"Teh pigeons willz flocks at choo!!!"  I see this.  I don't care; they are being rude and inconsiderate.  Correct them, not me.


:: LuckyAlbatross ::

You're hidden.  Bye.

A couple more of you are on my hidden list now, too.  Thanks for volunteering.  If any of you want to return the favor, please note the 'hide' button on the bottom left-hand corner of my comments.  It will save both of us pain and heartbreak.


You want my owner's opinion, you'll get it through his girl. Don't like that - make a whiny post about ignoring me and while you are at it add Valyraen to your ignore list. I don't care and I know he doesn't. We've been over the submissives/slaves/pets are allowed to post in Ask a Master and I've seen too many people actually thank others for posting "out of forum" to give a shit where you want me to post. Males and females are different but not that different. You may not learn anything but someone else might.


Our Good movie doms:

John Wayne - caring, family man, hard as nails and willing to spank his wife in public (McClintock)
Rhett Bulter - try to tell me that character isn't a dom!
Van Damme (SP?) in Kickboxer

If Val thinks of any more he may post but he'll probably send me to post it for him.




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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 12:40:36 AM   
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Sean Thornton - The Quiet Man

Naoh - Quest for Fire

Worf - Star Trek: TNG

Juror #8 - 12 Angry Men

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 12:41:57 AM   
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Van Damme, I'm not buying it.  He uses physical-type communication very well, but I swear to god that man's a sub if I've ever seen one.  He only plays at being dominant, and he does a piss-poor job of it, IMO.  John Wayne, yeah.  There was this one movie where he's an american boxer in Ireland, I remember vividly for details like that.  And the other guy I'll have to look into, but I'm looking forward to it.

You did make some awesome suggestions.  That was my criteria: unless you're certain the movie suggestion will pass the awesome test, I respectfully request you (Dommes) not to post here, because it's not helpful.  As you can see--or don't, I don't care--most of those very posters have indeed been far less than helpful. 

I put up the same thread in the 'Ask a sub' category, for the different perspective (yours, in this case); that one was deleted for duplication, this one wasn't.  It would be nice to be able to have a meeting of the minds on both ends without cross-pollination, however.  If you and Val can't understand how that might be desireable, it's no skin off my nose; I've already decided this will be the last time I ask for recommendations ever again in this forum.  So... I still don't feel bad about asking what I did, despite this fascinating conversation I wasn't part of.  Thanks for the suggestions. 

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 1:35:35 AM   
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Whilst I lost interest in this thread some time ago, O am curious, especially from a psychologists' point of view, why some one who want's to be a Dominant and already exhibits many of the unappealing and rude attiduydes of pretend Dominants and few if any if the attributes I see in those Dominants who are just what they appear and say (from personal knowledge of them), would, if he genuinly wants to develop into a Dominant, and presumably one who is accepted by others, modeled on some fictitious character or on anyone else for that matter! Has he not the celebral capability of discerning from numerous posts in CM that top Dominatns of either gender are thremselves and do not don a false mask concocted from pieces of other people. Such thoughts and activities smack of the juvinile mind not strong enough to build on theor own character and statnd alone and tell the world to accept it or fuck off.....  Just my views anyway which do not matter one iota in the overall picture....

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 1:40:23 AM   
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Whoa wait, Quest for fire?  The caveman movie?  What got you about that character?

Sean Thornton... check. 

Worf... Even if I agreed, which I do a bit, digging up hundreds of star trek episodes isn't in the cards.

Juror #8... seems interesting.  I'll check into it.



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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 2:32:31 AM   
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Whoa wait, Quest for fire?  The caveman movie?  What got you about that character?


He took a leadership role, wasn't afraid to stand up to the big guys even when it might have gotten his ass handed to him on a platter. He was clever, a good samaritan, did what was right rather than what was easy, he was a hunter, wanted what was best for the best tribe, was willing to learn, protected his woman, was open minded and once he got his woman, wouldn't let anyone else near her. I would have posted on the other thread, but it got deleted so understand that those are qualities that I, personally, seek out in a Master even though that's not the opinion you were looking for on this thread. That's the sort of stuff that makes 'me' swoony.

And.. I have a 'thing' for cavemen and Pirates.

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 2:41:21 AM   
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Whoa wait, Quest for fire?  The caveman movie?  What got you about that character?


He took a leadership role, wasn't afraid to stand up to the big guys even when it might have gotten his ass handed to him on a platter. He was clever, a good samaritan, did what was right rather than what was easy, he was a hunter, wanted what was best for the best tribe, was willing to learn, protected his woman, was open minded and once he got his woman, wouldn't let anyone else near her. I would have posted on the other thread, but it got deleted so understand that those are qualities that I, personally, seek out in a Master even though that's not the opinion you were looking for on this thread. That's the sort of stuff that makes 'me' swoony.

And.. I have a 'thing' for cavemen and Pirates.


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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 8:57:56 AM   
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Hello IronBear lad!  :)  Actually, I learned a lot from fictional characters in my life, especially the James Bond of the books, and Scarlett O'Hara (also text).  Books and films let us into the minds of people, and yes, they are fictional, but they were created by real people with real experiences. 

I learned to be a better dominant by trial and error, and that whole pesky life experience thing, but books did help.

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 10:24:40 AM   
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Greetings LadyHibiscus sweet Lady. A unfderstand what you say and can in part agree with it too. As a child I was an avid reader of C.S. Forester's Hornblower series for I recognised myself (when at boarding school) in the character of Midshipman Hornblower. I to was an uncertain, lonely, at time frightened, lacking self confidence and shy lad. In part I used his character and his development as a role model. partly because of the romance of the navy of the era and in part because the mannerisms and mode of adress etc was similar to what I was accostomed in my hoime life. However by the time I started to read fiction again (other than Shakespear and other prescribed books), I was already in the military with my horrizone wifdening and my growing up ensconced within a well defined pattern and whilst I enjoyed and still enjoy such acaracters as James Bond, and others of similar type, I did so more for pleasure and a need to occasionally lose myself in other worlds away from the daily grind of the persuit of excelence. I can still see things in fictional characters which ring a bell and thus am able to improve what ever it is that I am doing. I suppose too that because I was fortunate enough to be introduced to and get to know so many wonderful people that I had real life role models in many areas of my life from Society, Business, Lodge, Military and Kink to draw from and to in fact ask that it has never occured to me to consider taking fictional characters to model myself after.  But this is me, it may not work for others and others may not have the opportunities I was blessed with. However as you know by now, I ask questions because I am insatiably curious why people do things and what drives or motivates them. I also know I alienate myself from many because of my mode of address and at time with my old fashion manners or mannerisms. That is how I am and how I was brought up and I see no reason to change.

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 1:01:21 PM   
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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 3:16:54 PM   
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And.. I have a 'thing' for cavemen and Pirates.


Mm.  Yeah, I've got a thing for pirates too, I even went out digging on the sandbars in VA/NC looking for Blackbeard's treasure when I was a little kid.  I can talk all day about Morgan, Teach, Kidd, Drake, Anne Bonnie, et al.

As far as I'm concerned, pirates beat ninjas every time.

The sub forum post got obliterated with quickness, and I got a bright shiny Mod email about it.  I don't even know if anyone had time to post on it before it went down. So thanks for venturing here.



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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 6:35:31 PM   
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i'm not particularly visual; i prefer books.
 
Anything by Anais Nin, esp 'The Delta of Venus'.
 
Anything by Daphne Du Maurier, esp 'Rebecca'
 
Ann Rice's Eotica, written under the pen name A. N. Rougelaure.
 
Alex Comfort's 'The Joy of Sex', revised edition.
 
Hope this helps.
 
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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 7:03:50 PM   
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You did make some awesome suggestions.  That was my criteria: unless you're certain the movie suggestion will pass the awesome test, I respectfully request you (Dommes) not to post here, because it's not helpful.  As you can see--or don't, I don't care--most of those very posters have indeed been far less than helpful. 

I put up the same thread in the 'Ask a sub' category, for the different perspective (yours, in this case); that one was deleted for duplication, this one wasn't.  It would be nice to be able to have a meeting of the minds on both ends without cross-pollination, however.  If you and Val can't understand how that might be desireable, it's no skin off my nose; I've already decided this will be the last time I ask for recommendations ever again in this forum.  So... I still don't feel bad about asking what I did, despite this fascinating conversation I wasn't part of.  Thanks for the suggestions. 


Your thread in ask a sub was pulled - probably because it was a duplicate. If you want a submissive's input, you'll have to accept the fact that you will get it in the ask a master forum. If my suggestions were, as you said "awesome" than they were helpful - meaning you were wrong when you thought they wouldn't be.

I understand wanting opinions from specific types of people. What I don't understand is pitching a fit instead of simply skipping over the posts you don't find informative. For all you know, the posts  you hate could prove useful to someone else. On this board people post where they like and, as I said before, I've seen it be far too helpful to care in the slightest what you think about it.

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 9:39:03 PM   
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Actually, I was pitching a fit over the people that pitched a fit.

I made the original post, go work on something else, come back a day later and there's practically nothing but flames on the first page of responses.  Certainly nothing useful, and pitching my fit DID get me useful responses.  Too much work for the effort, but I'm an in for a penny, in for a pound kind of guy.

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 10:05:04 PM   
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This books a good help for the well protocols side of thing or rules so to speak if you find yourself a little at odds with what to have them do.

Protocols
A Handbook for the Female Slave
by Robert J. Rubel, PhD
SKU: BK-PROTOC This is a buffet of experiences. Pick the ones that suit you and your family. Modify, revamp and use this enlightening treatise into one family's structure to create your own. The handbook is transformational, and I highly recommend it to novices as well as those seasoned in the art of power exchange.
172 pages.


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RE: Self Improvement - 6/15/2008 10:39:36 PM   
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:: Iron Bear ::

I'm calling you out specifically because I would very much like to respect you.  The others I expect it from, I've seen 'em jump on similar requests too often to care anymore;  but I'd like to ask you to reconsider your stance on what I wrote and why I wrote it. 

If I'm wrong, please explain why I shouldn't ask other Masters for opinions, and rule out Dommes.  Or don't, whatever's clever.  Logic that won't work:
'They are women, they know how women think...' Maybe.  But I don't want that here, I want a man's perspective, possibly because men DON'T have firsthand experience being a woman and have to learn handling the same way I do. 
'It's disrespectful...' No... it's not.  I won't even argue with that, it's that bad of a non sequitur.
"Teh pigeons willz flocks at choo!!!"  I see this.  I don't care; they are being rude and inconsiderate.  Correct them, not me.



It appears I missed this. It often happens when I'm not on site for a day or so or have linited time and don't read all the posts from my last one.  Most of what I have posted since you posted this is still, I believe valid. Simply because it was based on not so much what you said (the intent) but the way you presented it. Just me being pedantic which I mostly am. 

I responded to LadyHibiscus regarding using fictional characters as role models so you can read my views there and note that whilst in my youth I did just that but since then never have had any need to do so. I under stanf that you would like to get a Master's (including all male Donimants) views if that is your path. However i di believe and have found that also taking into consideration the Mistress's views too is benificial as is the views of both sub/slaves and switches. naturally you would filter out all that doesn't interest you but it does help maintaining a balance and will be usefull somewhere down the road. When part of the Gorean Lifestyle my Gorean mentors were both Masters and Mistresses. No hairy chested die hard chest thumpers there either just strong good people. 

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Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
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Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it."


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RE: Self Improvement - 6/16/2008 12:44:36 AM   
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Actually, I was pitching a fit over the people that pitched a fit.

I made the original post, go work on something else, come back a day later and there's practically nothing but flames on the first page of responses.  Certainly nothing useful, and pitching my fit DID get me useful responses.  Too much work for the effort, but I'm an in for a penny, in for a pound kind of guy.


I doubt it was your fit that got you anything. I would have posted my response regardless but if you hadn't, and if you hadn't bothered with your little "please only this" speech, I probably would have put more effort and thought it instead of spitting out whatever came to the top of my head. I'm sure others would have as well.

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RE: Self Improvement - 6/16/2008 6:27:44 AM   
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I watched the SexAndSubmission videos (not all, but a few of them) and was intrigued by the concept but disappointed in the execution. 


OMG, they KILLED them?!?!!

That is wrong in so many ways!

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