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Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 3:12:44 AM   
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When did capitalism truly become sacred and why have so many of us chosen to simply apportion the blame to the victim? Is it really borne out of anxiety and uncertainty over the future? Is it perhaps that we know that we are also vulnerable? Recent discussions on being poor and on the situation in Iowa made me think about this, and made me stop and wonder. What is the ideology, and is there a hidden agenda somewhere?

It's one of the characteristics of blaming the victim that the capitalist systems we live in are always without blame, beyond question, but rather the blame for certain suffering and social problems is instead shifted to become a problem inherently characteristic of the victim. It is this middle class status quo attitude which appears to lie at the very core of victim blaming, and which has now passed over into both sides of the political spectrum. Both sides want to preserve the status quo, since they themselves benefit greatly from the way things are, but at the same time they are disturbed by the suffering and poverty along the margins of society. What neither side wants is any sort of fundamental change which might result in a reduction of privilege for themselves, and at the same time they do not want poverty and injustice in the world, and perhaps subconsciously, or perhaps because they themselves fear this injustice and poverty, they begin to gravitate towards 'solutions' which involve blaming the victim. Such solutions are not always transparently obvious as 'victim blaming' and can even superficially appear to be 'progressive'. This is not surprising since it is important to the middle class mindset to incorporate a self image as one who is not an oppressor. Yet all the while civil liberties are eroded through democracy and a totalitarian regime is born.

A classic example of victim blaming ideology which preserves the status quo while purporting to solve some social problem is Third World poverty, particularly the sterilization campaigns which were such a big deal in the middle of the last century. These arguments surfaced again in the 1980's when AIDS was discovered spreading through Africa and again we can hear it coming round again. Now the problem with hunger is a problem with economic inequality. Research from FoodFirst.org indicates that there is actually enough food produced on this earth to give every human being 3,500 calories a day which is enough to make evreybody fat. Only paupers starve to death in famines, and people do not die in famines because food is not available, but rather because they are the poorest of the poor.

Now this argument for sterilization rests on the premise that the large number of poor people in poor countries around the world are 'destroying the environment' and 'depleting resources'. It is true that when driven to desperation people can be rather harsh on the environment. However when people put pressure on the environment they do it because they are impoverished and poor and a real solution would be to address that poverty. This would involve a more equitable sharing of the world's available resources, and since this could be seen to threaten the privileges of the middle classes, they don't go there. The same can be true in our own cities. In a short space of time we could solve homelessness and we could find solutions to unemployment, simply through giving someone access to shelter and to some sort of occupation, but again people won't go their because they are thinking of how much it is going to cost them. This is why we have this 'pseudo-solution' which involves blaming the victim, and calling for sterlization to reduce the numbers of the poor and also to reduce stress on the environment. However the poor cannot afford food, let alone birth control, so therefore some people take it upon themselves to undertake this charitable duty to provide the poor with access to birth control, since this is the most simple and cost effective solution.

But when you actually look at the facts and turn the argument around, you can probably take Americans and sterilize all of them and this would have a far greater effect on both the environment and resources of this planet. They use up on average one third of the world's resources, and here we're just talking 5 per cent of the world's population. It is amazing the way that perpetual consumption works in a classic capitalist society such as America. America releases the lion's share of CO2. When you look at statistics you will find such amazing things as the fact that America consumes a third of the world's copper and other such astonishing statistics. The typical American puts as much stress on the environment and consumes as much of the environment as about 100 of the poorest people on earth. Therefore if birth control is necessary to eradicate hunger and poverty, protect the environment and preserve the world's resources, and this argument really holds water, why not start with Americans?

Blaming the victim isn't just restricted to the political parties, it also affects charities and aid agencies who are supposed to be helping ... the poor. This blaming the victim is always - ALWAYS - found to be in direct correlation with a pro-status quo attitude which deflects blame away from the system and therefore blames the victim. Let's take Columbia for example. Three quarters of the arable land is held by a small oligarchy, a few families, who also control an equally large proportion of the wealth in that country. There is a small middle class, and then millions of impoverished people who live in squalor and malnourishment. The poor are poor because they are poor, not because they exist, and not because there is something inherently wrong with them. The poor of Columbia are poor because of the inequality that exists in Columbia, and therefore you can only help the poor by levelling the playing field which means challenging the status quo. Currently, the official policy is to finance military repression (under the code name 'the war on drugs' which is a way to arm the militias). Columbia is currently the most dangerous country on earth in which to be a trade union or human rights activist. Such people are gunned down on a daily basis and a bloody revolution has been in the offing for decades with death squads roaming the countryside, keeping the poor both poor and terrified.

Now let us examine some of the blame the victim ideology that is often peddled by the aid agencies. We are told that for less than a cup of coffee a day we can help little Susan. She is a deserving child since she works hard carrying water and doing chores for her mother. We can't help all the Susans of the world but we can help one hardworking and deserving poor child. Your dollar a day will see to it that Susan gets a nutritious snack, clean water to drink, and a chance to go to school, and the promise of a brighter future for Susan. Sometimes we might be told that if we give Susan a fish, it will feed her for a day, but if we teach Susan to catch fish, she will feed herself for the rest of her life.

Now we won't be told that the poor in countries around the world are so poor because of the gross inequality and oppressive violence that exists in poor countries around the world. Most of the little Susans shown on television around the world are black or brown-skinned, and it is often the case that the richer elite are lighter skinned people, descendants of those who exploited the poor during the colonial age and are now enjoying a permanently entrenched and privileged position at the top of the wealthy heap. This we don't get to see. Rather what we will be presented with is poverty without the context, and the very subtle suggestion that the poverty is caused by the victims of poverty. For example Susan's problem is either that she has to work carrying water and thus can't get an education at school, and so rise out of poverty, or perhaps she is just too stupid to know how to catch a fish and requires the donations of the generous white people to provide the funds to teach her how to fish.

So then poverty, we are told (falsely) is caused by low education or general ignorance. What we are never told is that there is no place for Susan to catch fish (all the fish have been 'privatized' after all) and if she gets out of her school classes she can then join the millions of other poor people trapped permanently in the slums, or she can join the army of millions of prostitutes on the streets, since these are the only options open to the poor.

Therefore these sorts of aid agencies and church groups of this type (who never provide the context and therefore disempower social change) merely end up becoming part of the status quo which they facilitate, the trustees of the charity become like the board of a corporation, and they actually harm the cause of the poor more than they help, by blaming the poor for the poverty (spreading a false myth), preserving the status quo (by hiding the root causes of poverty) thus keeping the poor in poverty, and by constantly disempowering people by telling them 'you can't help the poor' and then offering them the sop of helping one little kid to ease their conscience. This last destructive lie of blame the victim ideology is particularly virulent and harmful to the poor, since they can be helped, it's just that the will to help them simply doesn't exist. The means exist, only the will to act is missing, and this fact is covered up by lies, by victim blaming aid agencies and churches (try visiting FoodFirst.org which is a really good group that can provide you with the kind of information that will empower you instead of disempowering you by telling you it's hopeless when it's simply not true).

The above example demonstrates just how brutal this particular sort of ideology can be, and if you watch some of those appeals for funding (or votes), you can also be struck by just how deceptive this victim blaming ideology can be. It masquerades as a campaign to help the poor while it viciously cuts the ground out from under their feet, doing it all while covered with the gloss of compassion and concern - remember to watch for the complete lack of context of the root causes of poverty, listen for the part where the victims get blamed (usually the suggestion of ignorance on the part of the poor) and then wait for the vicious attack on the poor ('you can't help them, there's nothing that can be done for them all, and all you can do is help just one small child'). It's brutal, it's excellent at both preserving and protecting the privileged status quo, while keeping the poor viciously oppressed, and it runs right through politics, charities, and the media.

This isn't anything new. Blaming the victim first arose in the 1960's with the Moynihan Report, and further in the blistering attack on the liberal Democrat ideology by a black American William Ryan in his book entitled 'Blaming the victim'. But through since the 1960's it has managed to seep it's way right through into society via political parties, charities, cop-orations and the media, often so much so that it would appear from a certain perspective to be part of society, part of the national psyche. But is it really?

It is known that it is official policy in the capitalist culture of America to have a permanent unemployment rate of 5 per cent, and it would appear that many Western countries have adopted this strategy. The actual rate of unemployment is typically higher than the official rate. When the unemployment rate drops below this level the Federal Reserve will step in to 'cool down the overheated economy' by jacking up interest rates until more people lose their jobs and the rate of unemployment is once again fixed at its ideal rate. The ideal rate of unemployment is one that keeps a steady supply of workers available while keeping their wages down - in other words rather than a 'seller's' market where workers could set their price, unemployment is permanently maintained in the economy so as to establish a permanent 'buyer's' market which favours the employer who can offer less in wages, even demand cuts in wages, backed up by millions of unemployed people who provide a kind of surplus which keeps workers in line, as they can be easily replaced. Here again you see the victim blaming strategies, blaming people for being on welfare, unemployed, being caught in welfare traps and so on, and this is heavily supported by the media.

Thoughts and comments please..

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 3:51:26 AM   
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The die was set in the War of Independence, the lie was sold by the leaders of the revolution that there should not be any taxation without representation. However, about 99% of the colonists never paid tax but they took the supposed injustice to heart. It seems not to be questioned that after the revolution their was less representation in the new USA than there was under the British and that the founding fathers imposed a tax for a standing army to protect the new state. This was all smoke and mirrors because the main point of the revolution was to conslidate the position of the colonial establishment as the new ruling class and the standing army was to protect the new ruling class, not the average colonist. The colonists however, bought the propaganda of their new masters hook line and sinker and have been buying the propaganda of their political establishment ever since. The American Dream was always a dream and still is and always will be. There is less social mobility in America than any other developed country, yet Americans still buy into this pig in a poke which basically is a pipe dream to keep the average American in their place and working and dreaming one day they will make it. The lack of mobility in American society and the fact that the American political class bearly changes (the ones that pull the strings, not the puppets) should send alarm bells going in the ordinary American that they are victims of smoke and mirrors. I can't work it out why so many people buy into the lie, maybe enough crumbs falling off the table takes the political edge off people and they are thankful to their masters for what they have. You see the same in Europe, when people get enough material comfort, they are happy to conveniently buy into the lies they are sold, rather than fighting for justice for their fellow citizens and fellow humans around the world and making the thieves at the top pay their way.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:01:46 AM   
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WTF? I see a lot of anti-American sentiments on these boards, but this post?? Jeez Louise.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:06:11 AM   
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No thanks. I'm simply too amazing at keeping my legs closed to have someone hack at my girly bits with a scalpel.

I will agree with you that Americans do more than their fair share of messing up the environment though.




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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:27:10 AM   
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So does China. Parts of South America. There are other countries bent on self-destruction in Africa. On and on.

My question is why use the US as example when oh golly gee we could sterilize Africa and rid ourselves of having to assist the multitude of countries there that are in horrendous disarray and disease ridden to boot?

That is why my response to the OP was WTF is your problem with America. It still is my response.


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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:30:40 AM   
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I think it's Bushs fault....

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:32:45 AM   
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Well I think it is hold over hatred/resentment for being denied entrance.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:35:11 AM   
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Stella, I agree with your assesment of some of the root causes of poverty in a world that actually produces an abundance of food and resources to literally end hunger and much disease and unnecessary suffering overnight.

I too am deeply disturbed by the tendency of people to blame the victims for their suffering. Yes, yes, I know this is not a black and white issue. But, thanks, Stella, for shedding some light on some issues that deserve thoughtful consideration

Your OP reminds me of another "Modest Proposal" that Jonathan Swift made some time ago. Well done.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:43:25 AM   
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If we sterilize all Americans then who is going to be donating to the rest of the world as much as we do?
Does this include illegal aliens or do they get a freebie?
Will this be done at birth or invitro?
Maybe the water can be spiked?

IMO it is patently absurd to think this is the answer to the worlds problems.



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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:45:27 AM   
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Stella, I dont see it as an american thing, more of a western "civilisation" situation, the uk and canada as well as tons of european countries. All have more poor/homeless/working poor than they should have with their seeming wealth in everything else, ( altho they need a huge IV dose of compassion and reality checks).
Sterilization of the poor has been around for a long time(the idea has)  personally I think every male should be sterilised at birth, but can you immagine the cries of human rights over their bodies that would be screamed out.... well last I looked, its a human right to have kids, full stop. Being poor is not a valid excuse to deny someone that right.  Having money sure isnt a guarantee of being a good loving parent. But then when you have "family values" that precludes caring about people who are not as "good as you" ....the whole thing is a cluster fuck.
A wise  man once said..... if  shit were worth anything, poor people wouldnt have assholes.
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edited to add, the way I saw it was....should *insert  any country/race/sex/persuasion/financial station here* be sterilised.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:45:48 AM   
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quote:

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Well I think it is hold over hatred/resentment for being denied entrance.
Seems to be some bitterness too

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:51:33 AM   
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........just those in Kentucky.....

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:53:57 AM   
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quote:

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If we sterilize all Americans then who is going to be donating to the rest of the world as much as we do?


Aid helps the donor country not the recipient. Its doubtful all but energency aid will be missed, be it American or anyone elses.


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Does this include illegal aliens or do they get a freebie?
Will this be done at birth or invitro?
Maybe the water can be spiked?

IMO it is patently absurd to think this is the answer to the worlds problems.



I don't want to speak for the person who posted the OP but I think she meant to be provocative to make people think. I could be wrong.

However, capitalism (be it of the European or American variety) has caused much of the world's poverty through imperialism, exploitation and enviromental despoilation. America however, seems to be the only place in the world where capitalism is a sacred dogma.

What makes it all the worse, is that this stealing of other people resources and the destruction of their land is done in the name of freedom and civilised values and many people really believe that or conveniently believe that to feel good about themselves while they consume the wealth of the poor.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:54:45 AM   
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You folks ever heard of political satire to make a point ?

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 6:59:10 AM   
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Obviously not. Satire? What's that? Is it like communism?

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 7:05:58 AM   
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Americans are breeding less,not more-abortion is seeing to that very well.
 
We also are not depending on popping out large numbers of children as our "old age pensions",so that the odds of a few surviving long enough to take care of us in our old age are higher.
 
 And we are practicing birth control-instead of screwing indescriminantly, and popping out more kids than we can support.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 7:10:57 AM   
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Slightly off-topic from the main subject, but in keeping with the title of the thread, contraception and sexual education aren't nearly as easily available as they should be - hence the unusually high numbers of teenage pregnancies, unwanted pregnancies that are carried full-term anyway, abortions and so forth for a so-called 'developed' country. Seems to me like many people are often leaving their fertility to the odds of the gods.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 7:13:01 AM   
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stelization is a radical idea.  and whom decides it?

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 7:15:27 AM   
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And we are practicing birth control-instead of screwing indescriminantly

It is the addictive effect of television. People are so mesmerized by the box that they are too tired to screw when they retire to bed.
 
Also because of the electric lights. It is only when there is a black out and they cannot see their partner that those bored people start to screw each other and father a birth wave nine months hence.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 7:23:48 AM   
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well in some cases i would agree with sterilization.frankly,i know quite a few people who have insisted on have more than 4 kids and i've seen it one too many times.of course most of those are the saem ones who would rather live off the government and tax payers than go out and change their situation by working when it's obvious they can.so instead,they keep having kids and not dealing with the implications of that.

don;t get me wrong,i have nothing against reproduction but if you can't take care of your own life don't bring another into it plain and simple.

i believe in one way or another just about every country has a place in harming the environment.

there are countries that don't like americans and vice versa it's not just an anti american world.

i think the OP had made some really good points.

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