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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 12:18:01 PM   
CreativeDominant


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Status: offline 		I'm thinking...if I had been your visiting father that even as cool as I can be in most situations, that this one would've thrown even me for a bit of a loop.  Especially given how realistic some mannequins can be anymore.

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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 12:20:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

BRNaughtyAngel,

Actually it is much easier than you think I used to get my friends laid all the time. To some people sex is an action and all it takes is putting the right people together and convincing then that it's going to be a positive experinence in one situation two that I hooked up in a Bar ended up Married and are today expecting thier third Child.

It isn't Hooking it's letting someone know No Strings Attached Sex is okay.

It's easy to do and something I would think is easier for a Girl to Acomplish for a Guy then it is for a Guy to Acomplish at all. Women tend to trust women and when one woman talks to another and tells her how great the sex will be and that there will be no strings attached and it will be a hot night of skin smacking sweaty sex other women tend to agree and follow another womans Cue.

It's interesting the belief systems that are being stated in this thread it makes me wonder if the majority of people on this site are Sexually Fridged.

Doesn't anyone have sex just to have sex?

Steel


greetings A/all
greetings MasterSteel

i do     i too found it intersting how many folks are having a hard time with this concept of procuring.  perhaps it is in the word itself?  granted, i'm picky who i have sex with, but knowing them intimately as friends or potential whatevers first is NOT always what i want.  sometimes, i just want some stranger-sex.  You know the old saying "there's nothing like the first time."

as to the OP's question?  i think it's a fine idea.  if that's what He requires, then that's what ya do.  liking doing it makes it much better!  i don't know if i'd want to be finding the girls, because i would be so worried about not being able to find them.  being a "found" girl sounds kinda fun.


well wishes,
gemmie

< Message edited by sassysexygirl -- 6/18/2008 12:51:04 PM >

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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 5:25:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: softness


How does procurement sit with you?



Softness, this is the question you asked in your OP.

I'm wondering a couple of things. Why ask the question if your mind is already made up to do as DV has told you he wishes you to do ? (1) Do you have lingering doubts ? (2) You have expressed some doubts in your OP and elswhere in the thread. Perhaps you should examine your own mind regarding these doubts.

Secondly, if you were simply curious to get others' opinions, why get upset and defensive when they give opinions that don't match yours ? (3) What did you expect ? Unanimous applause ? (4)

Finally, I don't see people as simply meat. No matter who they are. The idea is repugnant to me. But, that's simply how I see things. If you and DV both see you as simply meat, well, meat has no opinions, does it ? (5)  However, in procurring meat for your masters bed, I hope you exercise full disclosure to the women you are cosidering for such use. (6) Make sure they know they are simply meat as well, won't you ? (7)


1) ... I was intersted in what other people thought on procurement - if it would work for them, what made it work for them, what made it not work for them, blah blah ... I am interested in other people's experiences.
2) ... sure I have doubts ... we all have doubts ... in the past I doubted my value - and I no longer doubt that. My doubts are not so strong they would prevent me from following this order though.
3) ... I didn't become defensive - I answered posts openly and calmly.
4) ... see (1)
5) ... I have opinions, but they are subject to my Owner's will. If He dislikes my opinion, He will change it for me. I am a slave ... my right to be right no longer exists. Sir has not told me my opinions in this matter are incorrect, and until He does so my opinions will remain as they are.
6) ... They are fully aware of what I am doing, usually the opening line of conversation states it with unavoidable clarity.
7) ... They might not be meat, in the sense that I am meat. I am Owned property, my rights, desires and wishes are subject totally to Sir's will. When/if they arrive in His bed, they will be there for His use under terms negotiated on an individual basis. The meat may be an indulged Princess Submissive with a fine ass, or a bottom looking for some heavy play, or another service girl like me.

hope that has settled a few things for you, please ask for further clarity if it is required.

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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 5:35:39 PM   
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hey softness.... if I wasnt on the other side of the country, I'd volunteer ;)

Dearest Greedy: you see many of us UK girls have got REAL good tongues xx



tease ;)


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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 5:36:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

hey softness.... if I wasnt on the other side of the country, I'd volunteer ;)

Dearest Greedy: you see many of us UK girls have got REAL good tongues xx



tease ;)



yeah we tease a lot as well

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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 5:38:16 PM   
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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 9:06:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Um, wow.

It was a standard given in my relationship with my ex that I was to procure as many opportunities for as many types of pleasure for him as possible.  This was not meant as a high priority task, but it was always in the background and always something I should watch for and capitalize on an ongoing basis. 

I don't get what the big deal is.  I was his property, he wanted a certain way of life, it was my job and fulfillment to work with him to achieve that.

Now with my partner, I delight in procuring women he can play with- almost always with him as the bottom.  It's a total turn on to see him getting pleasure with someone else, knowing he's too shy to go for it himself but how much he loves it once he has it, and it helps make new friends!

As far as STDs, well I've been a whore, slept with approximately 200 males and females at this point and had a total clean bill of health last winter (and yes, I went for total bill of health).  Now, I've had at least three sex partners since then, so it's crap now, but there you go.

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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 9:08:54 PM   
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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 9:10:35 PM   
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...and with that I am officially changing my screen name to my new Borg name ...

one of three

purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ~ fairer

LOL and you were responsible for the other two.

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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 9:13:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		So I guess I procure for you...seems our dynamic has taken a definite direction!

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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 9:35:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was very interested to see if this thread would drive up a certain dynamic tension amongst the monogamous, the polyfidelitous, and the polyamorous.  It's interesting to see that it did, and its additionally interesting to see how it has also driven up a confront amongst views on submission and service.

I'm quite aware that my interests and views are not mainstream BDSM with it's endless supplicating masses chanting the liturgy of Safe Sane and Consensual, and that to such a crowd, the heterodoxy expressed would quite possible be anathema.  What's fascinating is the degree to which it's been seen not so much as a variation upon the orthodoxy, but as nearly heresy.  It has clearly flown directly in the face of normative household values.

There may be more than one way to skin a cat, but the good ones start with a dead cat.

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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 9:39:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		We should establish a separate website for procurers. I get a lot of mail from collared subs who are looking for fellow subs for their owners. Greedy!

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RE: Procuring - 6/18/2008 10:16:00 PM   
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RE: Procuring - 6/19/2008 3:43:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		For Me, one will always be enough; I just wonder what guy wouldn't want 2 girls to do his bidding if he could, so I just think it's a thing a lazy vanilla guy would do. I'd never get My girl to do it for Me, if I had so much fun finding My first girl, why not do it again and have more fun?.

But this is all hypothetical, anyway cos I wouldn't do it in the first place.

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RE: Procuring - 6/19/2008 7:05:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Softness, thanks for your detailed and clear reponse to my post. You have, in fact, clarified some questions I had. Best wishes to you.

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RE: Procuring - 6/19/2008 7:29:13 AM   
CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: DarkVictory

I was very interested to see if this thread would drive up a certain dynamic tension amongst the monogamous, the polyfidelitous, and the polyamorous.  It's interesting to see that it did, and its additionally interesting to see how it has also driven up a confront amongst views on submission and service.

I'm quite aware that my interests and views are not mainstream BDSM with it's endless supplicating masses chanting the liturgy of Safe Sane and Consensual, and that to such a crowd, the heterodoxy expressed would quite possible be anathema.  What's fascinating is the degree to which it's been seen not so much as a variation upon the orthodoxy, but as nearly heresy.  It has clearly flown directly in the face of normative household values.

There may be more than one way to skin a cat, but the good ones start with a dead cat.


I too found the responses on here interesting for many of the same reasons you cite but also for some slightly differing reasons. 

I note that there are a few posters on here decrying what is going on who have spoken out on those threads where someone stated that such and such a kink was going too far/was too extreme/was unsafe.  What they were saying was that each dynamic is different and that a D/s or M/s dynamic can only be set by those who adhere to it;  basically that no one else should be able to impose a "stop" action against it nor even judge it.  But of course, those kinks were occurring in monogamous situations or in situations where the "play" was happening between two long-standing partners.  When they run up against something outside 'their' boundaries, they judge it.

Then, there are the ones who engage in BDSM play of a lengthy, intense nature who have somehow managed to transcend the sexual part of the definition of Sadism and Masochism and the fact that, for many, the sexual nature of Sadism and Masochism is tied intricately to the dominant/submissive aspect of their relationship.  They understand sexuality...even wanton sexuality...within a D/s context but again, within boundaries they have set for themselves that seem mainly to be focused on fidelity.  When confronted with a situation in which the expression of sexuality...the seeking of sexuality...is occurring outside the main relationship and yet, guided by the dictates OF that relationship, confusion arises.

As I stated in my original post, given the type of relationship I seek, the situation described by you and softness would not be one I would engage in.  Objectively and analytically, before I were to engage in it, I would want to be with someone for awhile and observe them as we discuss this and make sure they are mentally and emotionally capable of handling what I would be requiring of them, as that is what I am always leery of...causing someone harm, be it physically, mentally, or emotionally.

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RE: Procuring - 6/19/2008 8:14:34 AM   
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When they run up against something outside 'their' boundaries, they judge it.


Please tell me this is not the firt time you have noticed this here? A while back i started a thread about my Sir hiring me out for money to someone and it caused a very similar stir to this one.
As i said in my original post in this thread i find it a crying shame that in a lifestyle supposably as diverse as ours that we feel the need to judge others and what they do together CONSENSUALLY.
Also a shame is another trait of cm which seems to have shone through in this thread (and not in a good way). Not only do people judge the topic in hand but the entire relationship of the people concerned with the thread. It seems to be a case of anything they can arm thenmselves with to justify their judgement and appear right.
As Harold Medina said ' Criticizing others is a dangerous thing, not so much because you may make mistakes about them, but because you may be revealing the truth about yourself.'
 




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RE: Procuring - 6/19/2008 8:20:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		What really makes me laugh is reading couples profiles where the sub complains that no one she writes to ever replies. And how rude they are!
 
 Seems rather poetic..Considering how many of those same women probably blew off tons of other people, rudely never replying.
 
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RE: Procuring - 6/19/2008 8:25:37 AM   
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 What's fascinating is the degree to which it's been seen not so much as a variation upon the orthodoxy, but as nearly heresy.

Yummy heresy!!
Just had lovely thoughts about being a heretic and tortured by many
 
On a more on topic note orthodox is very boring. Who wants to be the same, do the same, live by the same as everyone else?
Heretics just had their own set of beliefs and i guess were in the minority. Didn't make them wrong though. Just as wanting to do and being honest and open about doing the less 'orthodox' things in bdsm / life, even though we may be in the minority does not make us wrong.  

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RE: Procuring - 6/19/2008 8:28:07 AM   
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What really makes me laugh is reading couples profiles where the sub complains that no one she writes to ever replies. And how rude they are!
 
 Seems rather poetic..Considering how many of those same women probably blew off tons of other people, rudely never replying.
 
 I love karma.


Huh?
Colour me confuzzled but cant see the link between procurement and cmail here.

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