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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:20:15 PM

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What action do you think would be appropriate in this situation?

Obama personally apologizing to the two women and their families, and removing the offending volunteers from campaign work. I think that would be a good start. He could also offer to have the two women and some of their family join him at another rally at his expense.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:21:21 PM

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So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support of Muslims of either gender. You're racist prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

I mean, this is the last place I expected to find such bigotry. (Thinly veiled bigotry is still bigotry)

Man, imagine if it were as easy to spot a sexual devient as it is to spot a black man... We'd be in loads of trouble if the general populace is similar to most of you perusing this board.

Obama is better than Mccain in every way, and like it or not... they are your only two choices.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:23:25 PM

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He has a Web site, right? Why not post your recommendations there.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:25:00 PM

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As opposed to John McCain, whose ideas are equally vague?

He has made very concrete plans, and he has a lot of experience. Obama has no experience, and it's starting to show. I have my own problems with McCain; I would have rather had another candidate. But it is what it is.

McCain doesn't have the same problem Obama does. Obama has to win over a lot of people to win. I don't think he can win over white, working class voters. He has to do that in order to win.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:28:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support of Muslims of either gender. You're racist prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.

Actually, I wouldn't say a word if he accepted the endorsement of Muslims. I really don't care; it would make no difference to me. I have no prejudicial notions about Muslims.

My problem with this incident is that it is a glimpse into Obama's organizational style. If he can't train campaign volunteers, then why should I believe he could manage an entire branch of the Federal government?

Everytime someone in the opposition points out a flaw of someone on the Left, they are accused of a PC violation like racism. My racism is transparent indeed. You're the one who's being transparent in your prejudice by trying to turn the tables.

The tables need to be turned . It helps to see things from different points of view.

Your ludicrous accusation against Obama as being not able to control his campaigm volunteers is also transparently absurd. Can't you or any of the other resident racists come up with anything of substance against Obama ? Funny, because there is lots of material about McCain that IS substantive. For example, his role in the Keeting 5 scandal. His politically expedient flip flop on accusing Falwell and his ilk of being "agents of intolerance" and then publicly kissing Falwells ass. McCain's admitted ignorance of economics, his ignorance, on the record, of the political complexities of the factions and situations in Iraq/Iran, his 180 degree on the Bush tax cuts for the rich and corporations, etc..

Let the substantive debate begin. So far, the anti-Obama faction is just scratching for and slinging mud. The same old same old tactics of the right. I'm afraid that won't work this time around. You can't fool all of the people all of the time. Remember ?

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:31:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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LOL oh please oh please let there be *SOMETHING* wrong with Obama's campaign. LMAO *eye roll*

Well, I don't need to pray for something. I had no opinion on the man early on. I listened to him. He hasn't come up with ONE plan to execute his ideas. His campaign is seriously flawed. It's only the beginning, and he is already making serious mistakes. He's not in the primary anymore; that was child's play compared to what's going on now. You can say what you want about Republicans, but they have their shit together when it comes to elections. Obama is going to get his ass handed to him in November.

As opposed to John McCain, whose ideas are equally vague?

yea, when i think of republicans, I think of people in glass houses throwing stones. ridiculous. *eye roll*

And who cares whatever John McCain would come up with, general or specific, he's just going to change it sooner or later.

Republicans are all talk, no action. Just look at the "Dubya" ... their 2000 campaign motto was the Republican's plan for this nation was "DUBYA DUBYA DUBYA" ....if you listen closely, it almost sounds like DOUBLE YUCK DOUBLE YUCK DOUBLE YUCK

Just when did Republicans care about treating Muslims equally?

If the Republicans actually focused on the issues, their campaign would be in hot water. No wonder McCain doesn't want to improve the G.I. bill, best to keep Americans dumb and gullible so we can take advantage of them

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:32:45 PM

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Cjan, but, Obama can fool some of the people all of the time.
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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:37:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: weakandpowerless

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ORIGINAL: cjan

So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support of Muslims of either gender. You're racist prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

I mean, this is the last place I expected to find such bigotry. (Thinly veiled bigotry is still bigotry)

Man, imagine if it were as easy to spot a sexual devient as it is to spot a black man... We'd be in loads of trouble if the general populace is similar to most of you perusing this board.

Obama is better than Mccain in every way, and like it or not... they are your only two choices.

Weak, I just do it because I don't like Democrats!

I don't much care for Republicans either.
I'll be voting for whoever the Constitution Party's candidate is.
And, if that rotten bastard Ted Kennedy endorses Obama you *know* something evil this way comes.
And it didn't take Obama very long to choose between "principles" and "corporate campaign money" did it?

"SHOW ME THE MONEY!"

< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 6/19/2008 11:40:21 PM >

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:37:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: cjan
Can't you or any of the other resident racists come up with anything of substance against Obama ? Funny, because there is lots of material about McCain that IS substantive.

Totally agree.

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ORIGINAL: cjan
For example, his role in the Keeting 5 scandal. His politically expedient flip flop on accusing Falwell and his ilk of being "agents of intolerance" and then publicly kissing Falwells ass. McCain's admitted ignorance of economics, his ignorance, on the record, of the political complexities of the factions and situations in Iraq/Iran, his 180 degree on the Bush tax cuts for the rich and corporations, etc..

Let the substantive debate begin. So far, the anti-Obama faction is just scratching for and slinging mud. The same old same old tactics of the right. I'm afraid that won't work this time around. You can't fool all of the people all of the time. Remember ?

God, I hope so.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:42:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: chickpea

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ORIGINAL: cjan
Can't you or any of the other resident racists come up with anything of substance against Obama ? Funny, because there is lots of material about McCain that IS substantive.

Totally agree.

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ORIGINAL: cjan
For example, his role in the Keeting 5 scandal. His politically expedient flip flop on accusing Falwell and his ilk of being "agents of intolerance" and then publicly kissing Falwells ass. McCain's admitted ignorance of economics, his ignorance, on the record, of the political complexities of the factions and situations in Iraq/Iran, his 180 degree on the Bush tax cuts for the rich and corporations, etc..

Let the substantive debate begin. So far, the anti-Obama faction is just scratching for and slinging mud. The same old same old tactics of the right. I'm afraid that won't work this time around. You can't fool all of the people all of the time. Remember ?

God, I hope so.

"Resident Racists?"
Oh that's funny!
Would you care to tell us who you think is a racist?
A "list" perhaps?

You know, I'd have to do a bit of cypherin' to remember the last time I airbrushed the headgear off'n two muslim women's heads in a picture!
Hmm, was it '93 or '95?
I just can't seem to remember.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:45:47 PM

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Rule, also tonight on CNN they showed copies of those "before" and "after" photos of the two women that Obama's staffers doctored up.
In the first picture they had their headgear on, in the second picture their headgear was airbrushed out or however they did it.
It was the same exact picture only the women had nothing on their heads!

Like I said, it's not right but it has become common for every politician to do things like this. At least there was an apology, which is better than can be said for most.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:49:27 PM

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Can't you or any of the other resident racists come up with anything of substance against Obama ?

How am I a racist? Point out any racist comment that I have ever made here. It's a very typical and idiotic tactic of Leftists to call anyone that disagrees with them a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, blah, blah, blah. It's a laugable argument, and frankly it's boring.

You've shown your true colors about wanting a substantive argument with this absurd allegation. I didn't make any assumption about your character, but you chose to do so with me and others.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:51:44 PM

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Can't you or any of the other resident racists come up with anything of substance against Obama ?

How am I a racist? Point out any racist comment that I have ever made here. It's a very typical and idiotic tactic of Leftists to call anyone that disagrees with them a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, blah, blah, blah. It's a laugable argument, and frankly it's boring.

You've shown your true colors about wanting a substantive argument with this absurd allegation. I didn't make any assumption about your character, but you chose to do so with me and others.

Slaveboy, you forgot "xenophobe", they like that one too.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:54:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: weakandpowerless

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ORIGINAL: cjan

So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support of Muslims of either gender. You're racist prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

I mean, this is the last place I expected to find such bigotry. (Thinly veiled bigotry is still bigotry)

Man, imagine if it were as easy to spot a sexual devient as it is to spot a black man... We'd be in loads of trouble if the general populace is similar to most of you perusing this board.

Obama is better than Mccain in every way, and like it or not... they are your only two choices.

Oh for Godsake, the man is a Presidential candidate. EVERY Presidential candidate gets criticized. For the record, I'll be voting for the man but I am so tired of the sheep that think he's the second coming of JFK trying to turn every criticism of him into racism.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:58:52 PM

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Let the substantive debate begin.

Shall I presume that you are as competent to decide what is and is not substantive as I am to determine what is and is not the order of things?

Therein lies a critical conceptual flaw pervading Obama's entire campaign. The "real issues" are whatever topics Democrats wish to discuss, and topics not to their liking are a "distraction" or are evidence of "racist thinking". Not only is such an idea patently ludicrous and unsustainable, it bespeaks of an arrogance that is incompatible with democratic process. Voters can and should give voice to whatever matters--be they economic, social, or philosophical--that are of great pith and moment to them. An issue is substantive when one single voter says it matters to him--and whenever Obama (or any politician) asserts otherwise he is automatically wrong.

The debate has always been substantive. It merely is not always the particular substance Obama or his supporters want, or what McCain or his supporters want.

And guess what? In a democratic election system, that is the order of things.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:58:59 PM

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Can't you or any of the other resident racists come up with anything of substance against Obama ?

How am I a racist? Point out any racist comment that I have ever made here. It's a very typical and idiotic tactic of Leftists to call anyone that disagrees with them a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, blah, blah, blah. It's a laugable argument, and frankly it's boring.

You've shown your true colors about wanting a substantive argument with this absurd allegation. I didn't make any assumption about your character, but you chose to do so with me and others.

Whether you were racist or not is not part of one of my arguments LOL I'm sure you mentioned that you were a racist somewhere etc.. so that's where he got it. So anyway, here we go again with the Republicans tactics of focusing on stuuuupid stuff *eye roll* Go back to building your cross-shaped fireplace on someone's lawn. like OMFG *BIG headache*

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/19/2008 11:59:12 PM

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So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support of Muslims of either gender. You're racist prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.

     Actually it would probably have been more damaging had the women been allowed to be in a picture, as that picture would have followed him around. and be used as a show of his leanings, whether true or not.
      As it is now, it will have the same damage as his supporters labeling anyone who questions Obama's positions as a "racist". That got old during the primaries.


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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:03:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: weakandpowerless

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ORIGINAL: cjan

So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support of Muslims of either gender. You're racist prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

I mean, this is the last place I expected to find such bigotry. (Thinly veiled bigotry is still bigotry)

Man, imagine if it were as easy to spot a sexual devient as it is to spot a black man... We'd be in loads of trouble if the general populace is similar to most of you perusing this board.

Obama is better than Mccain in every way, and like it or not... they are your only two choices.

Weak, I just do it because I don't like Democrats!
I don't much care for Republicans either.
I'll be voting for whoever the Constitution Party's candidate is.
And, if that rotten bastard Ted Kennedy endorses Obama you *know* something evil this way comes.
And it didn't take Obama very long to choose between "principles" and "corporate campaign money" did it?

"SHOW ME THE MONEY!"

That's kind of low, guy has one foot in the grave and you're calling him a rotten bastard?

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:06:47 AM

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Can't you or any of the other resident racists come up with anything of substance against Obama ?

How am I a racist? Point out any racist comment that I have ever made here. It's a very typical and idiotic tactic of Leftists to call anyone that disagrees with them a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, blah, blah, blah. It's a laugable argument, and frankly it's boring.

You've shown your true colors about wanting a substantive argument with this absurd allegation. I didn't make any assumption about your character, but you chose to do so with me and others.

Whether you were racist or not is not part of one of my arguments LOL I'm sure you mentioned that you were a racist somewhere etc.. so that's where he got it. So anyway, here we go again with the Republicans tactics of focusing on stuuuupid stuff *eye roll* Go back to building your cross-shaped fireplace on someone's lawn. like OMFG *BIG headache*

Wow, if I were McCain and I knew you I'd say, "Don't you dare vote for me!"

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:12:12 AM

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Let the substantive debate begin.

Shall I presume that you are as competent to decide what is and is not substantive as I am to determine what is and is not the order of things?

Therein lies a critical conceptual flaw pervading Obama's entire campaign. The "real issues" are whatever topics Democrats wish to discuss, and topics not to their liking are a "distraction" or are evidence of "racist thinking". Not only is such an idea patently ludicrous and unsustainable, it bespeaks of an arrogance that is incompatible with democratic process. Voters can and should give voice to whatever matters--be they economic, social, or philosophical--that are of great pith and moment to them. An issue is substantive when one single voter says it matters to him--and whenever Obama (or any politician) asserts otherwise he is automatically wrong.

The debate has always been substantive. It merely is not always the particular substance Obama or his supporters want, or what McCain or his supporters want.

And guess what? In a democratic election system, that is the order of things.

Okay, if we are to liken the order of things in Political campaigns with the order of things under Einstein's Laws of Physics (with scientifically proven rules of law), well that's ludicrous. To twist the obvious (making distractions) into it being the order of things because it falls under the umbrella of ANYTHING mentioned within a political campaign.... well of course anything mentioned in a political campaign would fall under the political campaign....that is the order of things. Other than that, you can use "the order of things" as a way to distract from figuring out what qualities are important in judging competency as President. Here the republicans use his volunteers as an argument against his competency (or management skills as President) rather than whether they agree with him or not on his policies.

I call upon some Republicans to volunteer as Obama staffers in order to render Obama un-electable as President!!!! After all, this is a crucial campaign topic, what his volunteer do on any given day.
Anything mentioned during a campaign, is substantive. ... UMM NOT. Common sense and judgement rule over wild abstractions over anything under the sun, any day!!! Let's not use a bunch of truths to twist an argument and detract us from common sense.

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