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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 5:31:26 AM

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I had to come on here just so I could be called a racist by those totally clueless about who I am. I think I should be called sexist because it was Hillary I couldn't stand.
Had this been either candidate, it would have made the news. From now on if these guys fart out of tune, we're gonna hear about it. I think Obama should reach out to make a special apology to these women and fly them and their families to another rally to show his sincerity. Not because he personally did anything wrong but because the opportunity for fantastic press is there. You can't beat something like "Candidate makes amends for staffers' mistake." He would be shown as the sensitive, compassionate candidate.
And, cjan, too often when anyone here criticises the actions of someone not white or disagrees with someone whois not white, we get called racist. Disagreeing with an African American is not racism. Labeling all those who disagree with him is racism. Its actually called reverse racism. I can dislike his politics without being a racist. I disliked Hillary and that never made me a woman hater. I think that you are better than that reverse racism crap.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 5:39:16 AM

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Gee, you good ole boys are certainly getting in a lather, ain'tcha ? I wonder why that is ? We've seen your "arguments" before. Same old same old. Transparent, obfuscation, smoke.

Actually, most of the lather, shouting, and use of large fonts comes from the anti-republican/pro-Obama side.

Strange weapons against facts, reason, and logic, I must say.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 5:53:03 AM

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DETROIT, Michigan (AP) -- A young Muslim woman said she and another woman were refused seats directly behind Barack Obama -- and in front of TV cameras -- at a Detroit rally because they wear head scarves.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/18/obama.event.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest

I thought liberals were tolerant and inclusive. Hmmm, apparently not.

Come now slaveboy,they weren`t excluded,just moved to one side.They just didn`t want images of woman wearing what Fox news and the other bigots call "terrorist scarves".behind him in a photo op.

You know as well,that this reflects more on the bigots/republicans/Fox News veiwers,than it does on liberals or Mr Obama.

I think it`s just fine to be media savvy in the age of swiftboat clownery and Willie Horton scare tactics.

Do you really think this was because of Mr Obama`s intolerance?

Or was is b/c of something else?

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 5:54:07 AM

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Really? So all the public works projects, including the bridge you may drive over in your daily commute were failures? Social Securiy is a failure? Ask your parents or grandparents how they feel about that statement.

I don't drive over any bridges that were built during the New Deal. Yeah, social security is a failure IMO. I don't like the government telling me how to save my money. I have been paying into SSI since I was 15 years old. I probably will never see a dime of that money. If I had saved it on my own, it would be in a bank gaining interest.

I know the opinion my grandparents had of FDR and the New Deal. My grandparents were life long Republicans, and they despised him. My grandmother told me that her father wouldn't allow FDR's name to be mentioned in his home. My parents are in their mid 60's, so they weren't around for the New Deal. But they both remember the Great Society, JFK, and LBJ. My father hated both of them.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 5:55:30 AM

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This is what is so entertaining about politics. It's all about appearances. If he appears with two women in Mulim head gear behind him a the podium it would be splashed all across the headlines the next day and picked up by rabid Republicans that he supports terrorism. If he (or a staff member) asks them to remove the headgear....well, this is what we get. Gotta love it.

So the decision was made based on which would hurt least. At this point he's probably figuring that the minorties are all pretty soundly in his pocket and what he needs to do now is pick up more of the borderline conservatives. Women in head scarves won't do that.

*shrug* what's a political candidate to do?

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 6:02:41 AM

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Come now slaveboy,they weren`t excluded,just moved to one side.They just didn`t want images of woman wearing what Fox news and the other bigots call "terrorist scarves".behind him in a photo op.

You know as well,that this reflects more on the bigots/republicans,than it does on liberals or Mr Obama.

I think it`s just fine to be media savvy in the age of swiftboat clownery and Willie Horton scare tactics.

Do you really think this was because of Mr Obama`s intolerance?

Or was is b/c of something else?

Owner, I don't think Obama is a racist. I wasn't making that point. I think the volunteers that did this were unintentional racists. You can't call yourself tolerant and inclusive by being exclusive and intolerant. Can you imagine how these women felt when they were told they couldn't be in the picture? If it had been me, the police would have had to drag me away cussing and kicking.

I haven't seen any reports of Obama having them removed from his campaign. To his credit, he did actually call the two women and apologize (I saw that this morning on FOX, believe it or not.) But the campaign workers whom I assume are liberals did do this, and Obama should have had them kicked off the campaign. It makes a point that winning is more important to them than the beliefs they claim to have.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 6:08:58 AM

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Not racist,media savvy.

If opting out of public financing and this maneuver are all you guys can complain about,say hello to 1st Lady Michelle

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 6:11:14 AM

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It makes a point that winning is more important to them than the beliefs they claim to have.

You bet winning is more important than anything: what's so surprising about that? Politics are the most shark-infested waters: it's not full of happy singing nuns, you know.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 6:16:44 AM

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If it had been me, the police would have had to drag me away cussing and kicking.

I would have to wonder why you would be at Obama's speech in a burkha anyway. Very suspicious mister.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 6:17:56 AM

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*shrug* what's a political candidate to do?

Interns and staffers, silly.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 6:36:13 AM

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I would have to wonder why you would be at Obama's speech in a burkha anyway. Very suspicious mister.

LOL. Hey are you saying that Muslim cross-dressers have no place in Obama's campaign?

You're in a jovial mood this morning Irish. I laughed at the DA dogshit comment you made earlier too. Keep those one liners coming.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 7:00:45 AM

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Really? So all the public works projects, including the bridge you may drive over in your daily commute were failures? Social Securiy is a failure? Ask your parents or grandparents how they feel about that statement.

I don't drive over any bridges that were built during the New Deal. Yeah, social security is a failure IMO. I don't like the government telling me how to save my money. I have been paying into SSI since I was 15 years old. I probably will never see a dime of that money. If I had saved it on my own, it would be in a bank gaining interest.

I know the opinion my grandparents had of FDR and the New Deal. My grandparents were life long Republicans, and they despised him. My grandmother told me that her father wouldn't allow FDR's name to be mentioned in his home. My parents are in their mid 60's, so they weren't around for the New Deal. But they both remember the Great Society, JFK, and LBJ. My father hated both of them.

In an earlier post you made the claim that WW2 pulled us out of the depression and not the New Deal,nothing could be further from the truth.the New Deal put this Country back to work enabling all those industries and production facilities to survive and than when war came be converted to meet war needs.Than You slam the Great Society of LBJ I'm curious as to what Your opposition is to those attempts to allow easier acess to the American Dream to those previously barred...I would have liked to ask You those questions, but alas You seem to have answered them with this last post...Basically if I am to understand You most Of Your opinions were formed while You were still in short pants and You will be dammed if You'll let anything like an education and or life experience's change Your view...interesting to say the least

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 7:08:00 AM

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The New Deal was a dismal failure? I don't know what history books you read but everything I've ever read says the opposite.

I've read multitude of books on the subject, and it was a failure. Social Security is a good example. The Great Depression ended with World War II, not the New Deal.

Really? So all the public works projects, including the bridge you may drive over in your daily commute were failures? Social Securiy is a failure? Ask your parents or grandparents how they feel about that statement.

I have asked my parents (the one remaining alive, and currently on social security) and my grandparents (prior to their deaths in recent years) how they felt about the sucess/failure of social security. Dad's opinion prior to his stroke was that it should never have been set up in the first place - his opinion hasn't changed significantly with the stroke, despite now being on the recieving end of benefits he paid in to for 48 out of his 63 years. His social security isn't what's keeping his bills paid - the money he put aside in retirement investments and IRA is doing that - because his social security is less than 1/3 of his nursing home bill each month.

My grandparents - all of them - were born either just prior to or during the Great Depression. One set (mom's folks) were registered democrats. The other set (dad's) were registered republicans. My maternal grandmother is still alive, and still has rather vivid memories of what it was like to grow up during the same - many of her various neurosis and phobias are based on things she experienced as a child more than 70 years ago. She's also still very strongly Democrat - to the point where she threatened myself and my brother, when each of us turned 18, being disowned by the family if we registered to vote as anything But democrat - I initially registered as an independant just to piss her off and call her bluff and prove to her that *I took the Constitution a lot more seriously than she obviously did. All of my grandparents have considered the whole Social Security thing to be a short term sucess, long term failure.

Surprise - she's also very strongly Racist, and more than once during my life has attempted to "influence" my choice of aquaintances by making remarks like "surely you aren't considering hanging around with that [insert favorite racial epithat here] are you?" I asked her last time we spoke (which isn't often, by My choice) how she intended to vote this year, seeing as a black man won the democratic nomination. She started shaking her head, making comments about wishing she'd been dead prior to seeing something like that happen. She refuses to vote this year (a small victory in and of itself, considering what she's like!) because she refuses to vote any way except democrat, but also refuses to vote for the democratic candidate. If it weren't for the fact that I detest BOTH of the major party candidates, I'd be tempted to vote for Obama just to piss off the bat, but have decided that such a tactic (while decidedly Amusing, considering the dislike she and I have for each other) would be just as racist as her refusal to do so on the same grounds.

Personally, I'm planning to vote for a randomly selected 3rd party candidate - that way I can avoid voting for either Obama or McCain.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 7:14:59 AM

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In an earlier post you made the claim that WW2 pulled us out of the depression and not the New Deal,nothing could be further from the truth.the New Deal put this Country back to work enabling all those industries and production facilities to survive and than when war came be converted to meet war needs.Than You slam the Great Society of LBJ I'm curious as to what Your opposition is to those attempts to allow easier acess to the American Dream to those previously barred

Well you're wrong. The New Deal did not put most people back to work. The unemployment rate essentially stayed the same after it was implemented. It was a band-aid for a gaping wound. I slammed the Great Society of LBJ because it was a failure. I am not going to get into a debate about it in this thread.

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I would have liked to ask You those questions, but alas You seem to have answered them with this last post...Basically if I am to understand You most Of Your opinions were formed while You were still in short pants and You will be dammed if You'll let anything like an education and or life experience's change Your view...interesting to say the least

Well that's an interesting assumption you make. You're wrong, but it's interesting. I do have my own opinions that I formulated on my own. I have an education and my own life experiences, and I don't see anything positive about putting an entire class of people on the dole. As I said, this thread is not about that. I am not going to get into a debate about my opinions of LBJ, FDR, or their ideas here. If you want to create a thread about it, feel free.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 7:26:34 AM

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Fair enough lets discuss the thread that would have been, had the staffers not acted as they did...I can see it now "Obama's supporters Muslim".This is a real win-win situation for the right ,dammed if he does dammed if he doesn't.Any denial of my hypothetical is a joke ,any honest observer of politics in this country knows those pictures would have been rerun over and over.This si polotics and has they say a picture is worth a thousand words.The story, minus the picture, has no legs those staffers did the politically expedient right thing,I wish it were not so but this is the way things are.Would You have him shoot his campaign in the foot at the alter of PC....and at that point it would be pointed out he is not savvy enough to be President...

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 7:38:24 AM

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It would appear the moderator gives this issue it's approriate weight.One would hope the electorate will be as smart!

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 7:40:33 AM

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Fair enough lets discuss the thread that would have been, had the staffers not acted as they did...I can see it now "Obama's supporters Muslim".This is a real win-win situation for the right ,dammed if he does dammed if he doesn't.Any denial of my hypothetical is a joke ,any honest observer of politics in this country knows those pictures would have been rerun over and over.This si polotics and has they say a picture is worth a thousand words.The story, minus the picture, has no legs those staffers did the politically expedient right thing,I wish it were not so but this is the way things are.Would You have him shoot his campaign in the foot at the alter of PC....and at that point it would be pointed out he is not savvy enough to be President...

I'm not denying your hypothetical, but I am denying that its a lose-lose situation for him. He and other politicians that have to endure the opinions of bigoted morons on both sides of the political fence can take a stand. When idiots come out of the wood work, you call them on their bullshit and throw it back in their face. I'd respect Obama if he took a picture like that and told someone like Michelle Malkin to shut the fuck up. I think most people would respect that. People like to see someone stand up to bullies.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 7:55:55 AM

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Why did this get thread get into the polls and random section? I thought off topic section was for politics.

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RE: Obama campaign volunteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 8:03:07 AM

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Yet another Senator Obama thread moved to 'Stupidity'. An example of the most repressive regimes stemming from the liberal side of the political spectrum.

Were CM a church its tax exempt status would be in jeopardy.

To the OP's point; isn't it amazing that whenever a problem arises in Senator Obama's campaign its always someone else at fault? He goes to a church for 20 years and is stunned and appalled at the bigotry and racist philosophy of its pastor, a person he writes, assumed it wasn't ghost written, was his most important "mentor". A real estate deal benefiting him Million$ - and he's surprised about the illegal actions of his benefactor. 57 States in the union - his personal assistant gave him the wrong cue card. His position that he'll bring the men home from Iraq as soon as possible directly in opposition to his vote, a veto proof vote it turns out, to extend funding another year. The flip flop on public funds and the scrutiny that comes with it. Now, the idea to keep certain volunteers off the 'team picture' is the fault of a campaign supervisor. Can we at least agree that his personal, and personal, decisions leave a lot to be desired?

This is the man who many consider a viable candidate for President? A person who hires people who think it inappropriate to show reality? Then again, based upon how any negative thread is moved in the hopes of burying it on CM, who I don't believe works on the Obama campaign, perhaps keeping facts and debate visible and public is a desire of the electorate and will be the cornerstone of the Obama Presidency.

I think the only legitimate reason for such a vote is one pointed out a couple months ago when a prolific poster sited the "...because he is black." reason. As bigoted and racist as that position is, at least it speaks to fact.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 8:06:55 AM

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Fair enough lets discuss the thread that would have been, had the staffers not acted as they did...I can see it now "Obama's supporters Muslim".This is a real win-win situation for the right ,dammed if he does dammed if he doesn't.Any denial of my hypothetical is a joke ,any honest observer of politics in this country knows those pictures would have been rerun over and over.This si polotics and has they say a picture is worth a thousand words.The story, minus the picture, has no legs those staffers did the politically expedient right thing,I wish it were not so but this is the way things are.Would You have him shoot his campaign in the foot at the alter of PC....and at that point it would be pointed out he is not savvy enough to be President...

I'm not denying your hypothetical, but I am denying that its a lose-lose situation for him. He and other politicians that have to endure the opinions of bigoted morons on both sides of the political fence can take a stand. When idiots come out of the wood work, you call them on their bullshit and throw it back in their face. I'd respect Obama if he took a picture like that and told someone like Michelle Malkin to shut the fuck up. I think most people would respect that. People like to see someone stand up to bullies.

Slaveboy respect is nice ..winning the election is important...so Obama takes the moral high ground allows image's that play into the hands of the right,allows the conversation to sink to the absurd..

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