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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:14:39 AM   
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Wow, if I were McCain and I knew you I'd say, "Don't you dare vote for me!"


He doesn't need to tell me that.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:21:06 AM   
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So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support  of  Muslims of either gender. You're  racist  prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.
  I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

I mean, this is the last place I expected to find such bigotry. (Thinly veiled bigotry is still bigotry)

Man, imagine if it were as easy to spot a sexual devient as it is to spot a black man... We'd be in loads of trouble if the general populace is similar to most of you perusing this board.

Obama is better than Mccain in every way, and like it or not... they are your only two choices.


Weak, I just do it because I don't like Democrats!
I don't much care for Republicans either.
I'll be voting for whoever the Constitution Party's candidate is.
And, if that rotten bastard Ted Kennedy endorses Obama you *know* something evil this way comes.
And it didn't take Obama very long to choose between "principles" and "corporate campaign money" did it?

"SHOW ME THE MONEY!"


That's kind of low, guy has one foot in the grave and you're calling him a rotten bastard?


Oh? He redeemed his life in the last few weeks?
I was trying to be polite.
Weak, I'm from Boston, Mass.
I probably know a little more about the Kennedy's than you.
And it ain't pretty! Having Ted Kennedy "endorse" you is like getting "kissed" by some guy named "Nunzio" who you owe $100k to and can't pay.
I doubt Obama will even take Massachusetts, Hillary won there and they love the Clinton's in Mass and Ted stabbed Hillary right in the back, not that SHE'd want his endorsement either!
And that after all the things the Clintons did for the Kennedy family!
Ambassadorships, all kinds of govt jobs, a free U.S. Navy Destroyer when John Jr, crashed his plane and more than likely many other things that the public isn't aware of.
They're not nice people.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:26:39 AM   
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That's kind of low, guy has one foot in the grave and you're calling him a rotten bastard?
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Oh? He redeemed his life in the last few weeks?
I was trying to be polite.
Weak, I'm from Boston, Mass.
I probably know a little more about the Kennedy's than you.
And it ain't pretty! Having Ted Kennedy "endorse" you is like getting "kissed" by some guy named "Nunzio" who you owe $100k to and can't pay.
I doubt Obama will even take Massachusetts, Hillary won there and they love the Clinton's in Mass and Ted stabbed Hillary right in the back, not that SHE'd want his endorsement either!
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You probably do.  That's still scraping the bottom of the the barrel.  Let the man die in peace.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:28:55 AM   
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That's kind of low, guy has one foot in the grave and you're calling him a rotten bastard?


Oh? He redeemed his life in the last few weeks?
I was trying to be polite.
Weak, I'm from Boston, Mass.
I probably know a little more about the Kennedy's than you.
And it ain't pretty! Having Ted Kennedy "endorse" you is like getting "kissed" by some guy named "Nunzio" who you owe $100k to and can't pay.
I doubt Obama will even take Massachusetts, Hillary won there and they love the Clinton's in Mass and Ted stabbed Hillary right in the back, not that SHE'd want his endorsement either!


You probably do.  That's still scraping the bottom of the the barrel.  Let the man die in peace.


Rule, I hope it's quick and painless.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:32:18 AM   
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Whether you were racist or not is not part of one of my arguments LOL  I'm sure you mentioned that you were a racist somewhere etc.. so that's where he got it.  So anyway, here we go again with the Republicans tactics of focusing on stuuuupid stuff 


Well I wasn't addressing your argument, and you knew that.  So what is the LOL for?  But thanks for answering for him; you obviously share his mentality. 

I actually haven't ever made a racist comment here or anywhere.  So he pulled it out of his ass.  I'm not "focusing" on anything; I was making an observation. 

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eye roll*  Go back to building your cross-shaped fireplace on someone's lawn.   like OMFG *BIG headache*   [/  


Wow, that was really mature. 

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:40:43 AM   
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That's kind of low, guy has one foot in the grave and you're calling him a rotten bastard?


Oh? He redeemed his life in the last few weeks?
I was trying to be polite.
Weak, I'm from Boston, Mass.
I probably know a little more about the Kennedy's than you.
And it ain't pretty! Having Ted Kennedy "endorse" you is like getting "kissed" by some guy named "Nunzio" who you owe $100k to and can't pay.
I doubt Obama will even take Massachusetts, Hillary won there and they love the Clinton's in Mass and Ted stabbed Hillary right in the back, not that SHE'd want his endorsement either!


You probably do.  That's still scraping the bottom of the the barrel.  Let the man die in peace.


Rule, I hope it's quick and painless.


For us all!

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:41:11 AM   
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Gee, you good ole boys are certainly getting in a lather, ain'tcha ? I wonder why that is ? We've seen your "arguments" before. Same old same old. Transparent, obfuscation, smoke.

You want a list ? Ok, it's always the usual suspects blowing smoke. Some of y'all are here, in this thread, and some are not. But, I'm sure, they will make an appearance sooner or later. It's gonna be a loooong electoral season. And , this time, you're gonna lose.


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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 12:45:25 AM   
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So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support  of  Muslims of either gender. You're  racist  prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.


Too true. It's rather sad and rather frightening that politics has become so juvenile.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 1:02:45 AM   
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So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support  of  Muslims of either gender. You're  racist  prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.


Im not sure someone is racist just for pointing this out. That said, i was about to say the same as you. Either way Obama would have got bad press.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 1:20:14 AM   
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Gee, you good ole boys are certainly getting in a lather, ain'tcha ? I wonder why that is ? We've seen your "arguments" before. Same old same old. Transparent, obfuscation, smoke.

You want a list ? Ok, it's always the usual suspects blowing smoke. Some of y'all are here, in this thread, and some are not. But, I'm sure, they will make an appearance sooner or later. It's gonna be a loooong electoral season. And , this time, you're gonna lose.


I'm not in a lather about anything.  I laugh everytime somone calls me a racist, a fascist, or whatever un-PC term their small minds can think up.  Us "good 'ol boys" have seen your arguments before too.  The Great Society, War on Poverty, the New Deal, etc.  All of them were dismal failures.  Same old lofty, pie in the sky, idealistic horse-manure. 

I don't need a list.  I know who's on it (everyone who disagrees with you).  Yes, it's going to be an interesting election.  I can't wait to see if all those Obama supporters are going to move out of the country when he loses (like y'all promised to do when Gore and Kerry both lost.) 

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 1:41:10 AM   
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Gee, you good ole boys are certainly getting in a lather, ain'tcha ? I wonder why that is ? We've seen your "arguments" before. Same old same old. Transparent, obfuscation, smoke.

You want a list ? Ok, it's always the usual suspects blowing smoke. Some of y'all are here, in this thread, and some are not. But, I'm sure, they will make an appearance sooner or later. It's gonna be a loooong electoral season. And , this time, you're gonna lose.


I'm not in a lather about anything.  I laugh everytime somone calls me a racist, a fascist, or whatever un-PC term their small minds can think up.  Us "good 'ol boys" have seen your arguments before too.  The Great Society, War on Poverty, the New Deal, etc.  All of them were dismal failures.  Same old lofty, pie in the sky, idealistic horse-manure. 

I don't need a list.  I know who's on it (everyone who disagrees with you).  Yes, it's going to be an interesting election.  I can't wait to see if all those Obama supporters are going to move out of the country when he loses (like y'all promised to do when Gore and Kerry both lost.) 


The New Deal was a dismal failure?  I don't know what history books you read but everything I've ever read says the opposite. 

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 2:06:44 AM   
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Obama... middle name: "Hussien".  Either way, conservative fundamentalist, head-scarved women behind him in the same camera shot, or being told to un-scarf or leave -- he's damned either way. The staffers were doing their job -- Which is make Obama look good, make him appear acceptabe to the average American voting public, avoid controversy, and accept the heat for anything that backfires   EVEN IF WHAT BACKFIRED WAS THEM DOING WHAT THEY WERE TAUGHT TO DO !


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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 2:19:47 AM   
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The New Deal was a dismal failure?  I don't know what history books you read but everything I've ever read says the opposite. 


I've read multitude of books on the subject, and it was a failure.  Social Security is a good example.  The Great Depression ended with World War II, not the New Deal. 

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 2:25:00 AM   
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Funny...
some of the most sexist people in this 2008 campaign so far were my women friends and acquaintances who supported Hillary simply because she IS a woman !
Likewise, some of the most racist people in this campaign have been those people who support Obama simply Because of the color of his skin !
Honestly, the guy really doesn't share the "Black experience". He was raised and schooled during all his tender formative years outside the U.S.
Obama doesn't even share the "slavery" heritage.
Heck, just read between the lines of his own Official biographical information page. Gee, you don't even need any reading-between-the-lines skills for most of it.
And after we study it, as for the man being a    Black   American     -- well, he's hardly either. Legally -- sure...   Pure, raw definitions  --- yeah...   but in all practical ways? heck no ! Not even close !

Why the average African American sees him as some sort of "brother/savior" -- or one of "their own"  appears to me as ultimately racist.. Prejudice based on the color of his skin and nothing more. 

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 2:56:13 AM   
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DETROIT, Michigan (AP) -- A young Muslim woman said she and another woman were refused seats directly behind Barack Obama -- and in front of TV cameras -- at a Detroit rally because they wear head scarves.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/18/obama.event.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest

I thought liberals were tolerant and inclusive.  Hmmm, apparently not. 



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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 3:00:08 AM   
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So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support  of  Muslims of either gender. You're  racist  prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.



Regardless of imagined posts, the OP is absolutely correct when alluding to the pull of power and the associated trampling over principles.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 3:58:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cjan

So, it seems that Obama gets skewered, by some of you, no matter what positions he takes. I can imagine the posts and accusations if he had accepted the endorsement and support  of  Muslims of either gender. You're  racist  prejudice and hypocrisy is transparent.



Regardless of imagined posts, the OP is absolutely correct when alluding to the pull of power and the associated trampling over principles.


Politics has nothing to do with principles. A politician ascribes principles to his oponent to politically assasinate him when he can't live up to the ascribed principles. Power is the only principle in politics, without it you can do nothing.

“Politics is largely governed by sententious platitudes which are devoid of truth”
 
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“In politics a man must learn to rise above principle” Proverb

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 4:06:24 AM   
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Funny...
some of the most sexist people in this 2008 campaign so far were my women friends and acquaintances who supported Hillary simply because she IS a woman !
Likewise, some of the most racist people in this campaign have been those people who support Obama simply Because of the color of his skin !
Honestly, the guy really doesn't share the "Black experience". He was raised and schooled during all his tender formative years outside the U.S.
Obama doesn't even share the "slavery" heritage.
Heck, just read between the lines of his own Official biographical information page. Gee, you don't even need any reading-between-the-lines skills for most of it.
And after we study it, as for the man being a    Black   American     -- well, he's hardly either. Legally -- sure...   Pure, raw definitions  --- yeah...   but in all practical ways? heck no ! Not even close !

Why the average African American sees him as some sort of "brother/savior" -- or one of "their own"  appears to me as ultimately racist.. Prejudice based on the color of his skin and nothing more. 


You might be right, but your comment about him not being hardly Black or American, and you did say " hardly either ",  is both wrong and racist.

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 4:08:28 AM   
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DETROIT, Michigan (AP) -- A young Muslim woman said she and another woman were refused seats directly behind Barack Obama -- and in front of TV cameras -- at a Detroit rally because they wear head scarves.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/18/obama.event.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest

I thought liberals were tolerant and inclusive.  Hmmm, apparently not. 

Change....the background!!
They earlier threw out some Asian women because they wanted to fill the background with more whites, because for some crazy reason they think whites suspect Obama and Michelle dislike white people.  Where ever would they get such a silly idea?  *cough* Rev Wright/Louis Farrahkan and Trinity Church *cough*

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RE: Obama campaign voluteers exclude Muslim women - 6/20/2008 5:00:27 AM   
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The New Deal was a dismal failure?  I don't know what history books you read but everything I've ever read says the opposite. 


I've read multitude of books on the subject, and it was a failure.  Social Security is a good example.  The Great Depression ended with World War II, not the New Deal. 


Really?  So all the public works projects, including the bridge you may drive over in your daily commute were failures?  Social Securiy is a failure?  Ask your parents or grandparents how they feel about that statement.

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