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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/26/2008 7:56:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chickpea
So my question is, can you submit to someone you don't respect?

No way in hell.  I respect Master so much that submitting to Him is the most natural thing I've ever done.  If the respect wasn't there for His actions/behaviors/beliefs/morals, etc. etc., I wouldn't have thought twice about becoming His slave.  It was His intelligence, moral fiber, wisdom and so many other things I respect about Him that made me know it was right.....................
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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/26/2008 8:00:24 PM   
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It's True if you work you submit


Its really hard for me to stay at a job working for someone I don't respect.  It makes me feel like a cheap sell out.



yeah me too... but I'm a PAID cheap sell out...beats the hell outta being unemployed *grin*


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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/26/2008 8:46:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		So my other question is, can you submit to a Dom that acts perfectly in a BDSM way (comforts the sub, lets the sub open up, acts safely during play, etc..), yet who he is as a person or what he's done in other areas of his life you dislike and don't respect?

I could not, simply because, before I become involved in a D/s dynamic with someone, I first get to know them as a person...and those other areas of his life are my first and second impression of him..so hence, I would not  even consider a  BDSM or D/s dynamic with him as a result......Tempting

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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 12:06:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chickpea

Doms are always complaining about subs not acting submissive, not having this or that quality, before they even look in the mirror.  So my question is, can you submit to someone you don't respect?

Respect = you hold reverence to them for the way they act.





Could I?  Sure -- I've done tons of dumb ass stuff in my life.
 
Would I?  Nope.
 
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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 1:17:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't want to submit to someone I didn't respect.  The first thought that comes to mind is, "Why would I?"

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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 3:55:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

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It's True if you work you submit


Its really hard for me to stay at a job working for someone I don't respect.  It makes me feel like a cheap sell out.



yeah me too... but I'm a PAID cheap sell out...beats the hell outta being unemployed *grin*



True dat.  And, there's something really nice about eating.  It makes life so much better. :)


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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 4:03:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		i am a submissive woman by nature, but i do not submit my will to all and sundry just because they happen to label themselves Dominant, and that goes for the folk i do respect. For those i don't respect, they would never get close enough to even wonder what it would be like!

Respect is a two way street, showing it earns it in return, but certainly does not warrant instant submission. If i couldn't even show returned respect then the other person would have no chance of any kind of interaction with me on any level.




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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 5:56:12 AM   
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So my other question is, can you submit to a Dom that acts perfectly in a BDSM way (comforts the sub, lets the sub open up, acts safely during play, etc..), yet who he is as a person or what he's done in other areas of his life you dislike and don't respect?


I really don't do truly casual play. I do ownership. When owned, I might play totally casually, at Master's command - but, again, then, i am submitting to Master, not to the top in question.
When single and looking, i might find playmates. But, for me, I hve to devolop real respect and friendship with that person, too, for it to work - it's just how bottoming works for me. So, overall, the answer remains no. Even if we were just playmates, i would have to respect him enough to be his friend.

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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 6:24:47 AM   
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*fast reply*

No. If I dont respect them then I dont trust them.


Odd, there are many people I trust........very very few, I respect.


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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 7:05:08 AM   
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giving respect is something that i have always given to everybody i have ever met.  i only take away my respect when it has been proven that they don't deserve it.  having said that, i have spoken with, served, and lost respect for a few dominants along the way.  i have learned a lot about myself in the process, so i don't look at it as a negative in any case.  to serve without respect does seem to really cheapen the whole dynamic to the point that it can be very detrimental to the mental and emotional faculties.  it can harden the softest submissive. 

serving someone that i do not respect is no longer an option for me, not until i am once again completely owned.  hopefully my next choice will be considerate to my well being in all aspects.  at least i have become more selective.  *smile*







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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 7:38:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		If a girl didn't respect Me then I wouldn't want what it was that she was passing off as 'submission'. IMO it might be obedience but without respect it wouldn't be submission and just obedience is not enough!

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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 7:52:15 AM   
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Simple answer - No

How can you want to please someone you disrespect? how can you want to even spend time with someone you disrespect.



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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 7:52:34 AM   
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I take it you have never worked a day job?


lol

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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 8:12:52 AM   
RavenMuse


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
In this case, I would still be submitting to my own Master who has already earned my respect. Were he to send me off in service to someone for whom I had no respect, it doesn't change the facts of my submission. For me, being of service to another at the command of Himself is not submission to 'them' but to him.


Absolutely BT, if I decide My girl is to provide some service or bottom to another then that is all she is doing, providing a service... her submission is still to Me, she is still doing My will...she can serve them, she can bottom to them... her submission is ONLY to Me!


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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 8:41:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chickpea

Doms are always complaining about subs not acting submissive, not having this or that quality, before they even look in the mirror.  So my question is, can you submit to someone you don't respect?

Respect = you hold reverence to them for the way they act.




No. The entire idea makes me laugh. If I can't respect a person, I can't be their friend, much less their sub.


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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 8:58:36 AM   
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I could submit to someone I didn't respect ... but I could never be Owned by someone I didn't respect. It took me a *long* time to find someone who inspired full blown doormattiness in me, and right at the foundation of my doormattiness is the fact that I have profound respect for my Owner.

I could be ordered to go and serve Mistress X ... even though Mistress X is a prancing moronic bimbo with about as much actual Dominance as my left big toe (which isn't all that Dominant) ... I would still submit to her, because that is what I had been instructed to do. even though I no respect for her whatsoever Not only would I submit .. I would make the moronic cow believe I though she was the mother fucking Princess of Mistresses.

Ditto, been there and done that.

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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 9:00:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
In this case, I would still be submitting to my own Master who has already earned my respect. Were he to send me off in service to someone for whom I had no respect, it doesn't change the facts of my submission. For me, being of service to another at the command of Himself is not submission to 'them' but to him.

But for me I would ALSO be submitting to that person.  I've been sent off to people to submit to them for awhile- completely independent of my owner, no guidance, no rules given to the other dom, just submit to them as you should.  Yes, I'm submitting to my owner, but I'm definitely also submitting to that person.

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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 6/27/2008 11:55:52 AM   
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giving respect is something that i have always given to everybody i have ever met.  i only take away my respect when it has been proven that they don't deserve it.


I am completely with you there, OTK. I have never understood why anyone says 'respect is earned'. It is true that there is a deeper level of my respect that you can earn, but, imo, basic respect from me, is EVERYONE's due, until they earn NOT having it. (which a few manage to do)

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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 12/28/2010 4:48:49 PM   
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People do it every day.
 
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Exactly they do it at work and in there family gatherings its the law of nature there is always someone in charge wither they are respected is no the issue.

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RE: Could you submit to someone you disrespect? - 12/28/2010 5:17:38 PM   
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